Holland Township family angry that supermarket won't personalize cake for their son

[Are_grits_groceries]

JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell, Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell and Adolf Hitler Campbell.

Good names for a trio of toddlers? Heath and Deborah Campbell think so. The Holland Township couple has picked those names and the oldest child, Adolf Hitler Campbell, turns 3 today.

This has given rise to a problem, because the ShopRite supermarket in Greenwich Township has refused to make a cake for young Adolf's birthday.

"We believe the request ... to inscribe a birthday wish to Adolf Hitler is inappropriate," said Karen Meleta, a ShopRite spokeswoman.
The Campbells turned down the market's offer to make a cake with enough room for them to write their own inscription and can't understand what all of the fuss is about.



http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/today/index.ssf/2008/12/holland_township_family_angry.html

Mein Gott!!

[ShortnFiery]

1. Err ... on this call, my support is 100% behind the township. The kid should divorce his

idiotic and/or fascist parents. :crazy:

[DesertFlower]

2. i agree. nt

[XemaSab]

5. CPS should take the kids away

No child deserves to be raised by racist tweekers.

[fishnfla]

3. is it true that hitler had really bad flatulence?

that bunker must of reeked

[AndyA]

20. They say George Bush does, as well.

And we all know that he stinks!

[OswegoAtheist]

60. Shirer said so

Apparently, it was due to the medicines his quack personal physician was giving him

Oswego "their maiden name was Freeper" Atheist

[amdezurik]

4. some people will do anything to abuse their kids

CPS needs to be involved...

[Nikki Stone1]

6. Those poor kids.

I think these names are tantamount to child abuse.

[Renew Deal]

13. I agree

These kids are going to be seriously f***ked up when they realize what their parents did.

[dixiegrrrrl]

56. Maybe it's A Boy Named Sue kinda thang.

Just tryin' to tuffen 'em up, and all that.

[Nikki Stone1]

131. Come on now. Having a name like Adolf HItler will toughen you up?

More likely make you feared and be seen as the spawn of Satan.

[RiverStone]

21. What idiotic, sick parents!!!

Might as well draw a bull's eye on their kids back. And yes, talk about setting your kid up for getting the crap kicked outta him/her!

[MineralMan]

7. What ShopRite decides to do is up to them.

If this moron came to a bakery I owned, I'd throw his ass out and never allow him in the place again. Private business, doncha know?

Screw Fascist neo-Nazis and racists. May their tribe decrease by attrition.

[Maru Kitteh]

109. My thought as well. Turn the ignorant parents out and shame them.

And hope to God the kids find their way out of that nightmare.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. Honszlynn Hinler?

[hatrack]

38. Were they aiming for "Himmler" and went one key too far?

:wtf:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. That's what I was thinking.

And apparently they were under the impression that "Heinrich" is some sort of compound name like Joe-Bob, or Amy-lynn.

[gravity]

9. That is going to be one fucked up kid

What were his parents expecting to name their son that?

[Renew Deal]

10. Sick people

And so cruel to their children.

[islandmkl]

don't want to make a pre-judgement or assumption, but...

i wonder if i will hear of young Adolf Hitler Campbell in 15 years or so...

[MineralMan]

18. Probably not. He'll just be one of many young fellows

hanging around doing nothing with their lives. He may turn out to be some sort of skinhead, always threatening to do something, but his job at the local junkyard won't give him the time.

The parents are morons. Like father, like son.

[ColbertWatcher]

19. And you just know their kids will be homeschooled. n/t

[surrealAmerican]

124. In all fairness, I don't think those names would go over too well ...

... in public school. I guess it never occurred to these parents that their children would someday have to live in the world at large.

[XemaSab]

22. Yeah, when his parents disown him

for marrying a Black Jewish woman. :crazy:

Trying to push an extreme ideology on a child doesn't always work.

[Abq_Sarah]

84. But in this case

The kid's going to take so much grief for his name and for his parent's ideology he may well turn out just like them. Instead of turning against them, all the bullying will probably draw them closer.

How on earth can you claim to love your children and then do that to them? Name your child JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell? That's just beyond sick.

[readmoreoften]

76. Man, people in the North are really fucked up. Can we secede now!!!???

:sarcasm:

[fudge stripe cookays]

99. .

:hifive:

Thank you! :D

[DonEBrook]

120. Hey, it's SOUTH Pennsylvania. Right between Bethlehem and Nazareth.

no shit

[pampango]

135. Well done. Just imagine the bashing, if this family had lived in the South. n/t

[justabob]

11. surreal

They must be hard core to do that to their kid... adolf hitler.... geez.

[Wickerman]

12. and once again the Aryan Nation demonstrates there is nothing Supreme

about white supremacists.

[AspenRose]

70. +1

[ColbertWatcher]

14. The caption for the other photo says ...

... that little Adolf will be getting his cake from Wal-Mart.

Does that mean that Wal-Mart will be inscribing the cake with the kid's full name?

[TlalocW]

15. The joke is on the parents

Little Adolph is wearing an Optimus Prime sweatshirt. It's been established on, "Family Guy," that Optimus is Jewish.

TlalocW

[OswegoAtheist]

62. Dammit.

You beat me to it!

Oswego "Autobots, Shalom!" Atheist

[derby378]

16. So I'm guessing #4 will NOT be named Turner Diaries Campbell?

Can't really laugh here. I've read The Turner Diaries, myself. Sheesh.

[MineralMan]

31. I heard the next one's name will be Josef Mengele Campbell...

They need one to go to medical school so there will be a doctor in the family to look after their health needs later in life. Crack addicts need lots of medical care, it seems.

[BlueIris]

91. George Herbert Walker Bush Campbell. Either that or Augusto Pinochet Campbell.

[SammyWinstonJack]

114. Prescott Bush Campbell.

[alphafemale]

17. They are displaying Coke bottles. I mean seriously.

:rofl:

[MineralMan]

23. Sheeeit! Them are rare-ass Coke botles..

Some day, they's going to be worth a pile. You don't know sheeit! :bounce:

[JuniperLea]

25. They are free to do so...

I bet we could all find something to laugh about in your house too... to each their own.

[MineralMan]

29. That's very reasonable of you...

I have a fine collection of 19th century etiquette books that nobody seems to understand. A guy collects what a guy collects. As I said, them are rare-ass Coke botles. You can tell. Otherwise, why would a guy collect 'em? :bounce:

[JuniperLea]

33. You're right!

Gals collect junk like that too... I have a couple of old Coke bottles too. Old medicine bottles too... cocaine, lithium, you know:)

Funny you should mention, I watched some PBS deal on Emily Post last night. She was a hoot!

[Sal Minella]

53. "A gentleman should always remove his glove before shaking hands with a lady in the afternoon, lest

his brown glove soil her white one."

How on earth could one NOT collect these books.

[MineralMan]

90. Exactly. One never knows when one will encounter

such a situation, and it would be simply unconscionable not to behave appropriately.

Should a time machine take me to the 19th century, I would be able to behave in the proper manner. :puffpiece:

[Sal Minella]

102. The Queen of England owns 36 dozen soft-boiled egg spoons.

I have difficulty imagining 432 people sitting down to eat soft-boiled eggs all at the same time, but perhaps my paucity of imagination is due to a vitamin deficiency or something.

Or perhaps the spoons are not all the same pattern -- some sterling, some second-best plate, etc. I wonder if she has sufficient quantities of oyster forks to match, do you think.

Must try to find my vintage etiquette book. Do you know how and when to wear a buttonhole? Or do I need to find my book and quote to you from that page?

How lovely that someone still cares about civilized behavior. :)

I hope time travel works out well for you. I trust you will report back to us.....

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

45. It's Nazis we're talking about here. NAZIS!

I'll mock a Nazi for being fat, even if I'm 10 lbs fatter.

[JuniperLea]

49. I know... I hear you... and I hate what they are about too...

But they have their freedoms just like the rest of us. Karma will get them for misusing their fortune... and their children.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

52. So stop criticising me for exercising my First Amendment freedom to point and say HA HA. -nt

[JuniperLea]

55. *SNORT*

Have at it!

:rofl:

[JuniperLea]

24. That's what happens when you have a "free country"

Some people are going to use their freedoms to prove what idiots they are. I'd hesitate to call CPS, as some posters suggest. We don't need to open that can of worms... people should not have their children taken from them because of the name they choose for said child. What a slippery slope that is...

[MineralMan]

27. I agree. People may name their children as they wish.

However, it's entirely likely that these kids will eventually end up in foster care, anyhow. The father will mouth off to the wrong person one day and will pay for it with his life, or will end up in prison for beating some poor person to death. Mom's crank habit will get the best of her and the kids will become wards of the court.

Life has a way of dealing with such mental defecatives.

[JuniperLea]

32. You are probably right...

Karma does indeed happen... I've seen it;)

[LostinVA]

93. In Sweden, they can't -- all baby names have to be approved

I think that's a great idea -- parents shouldn't ahve a right to name their child something embarrassing, etc. If the kid grows up and wants to change their name, sobeit.

[MineralMan]

97. I'm not sure I like that idea, either.

Same is, or was, true in France. There was a story a few years ago where the local decider of such thing in some French province refused to let parents name their daughter Cerise. Pretty name, I thought, even though it means "Cherry." But, even that's a pretty name. I've known a couple of women named Cherry.

I think such a thing goes too far.

[ZombieHorde]

58. People freaked when my wife and I named our daughter 'Demeter'.

[BlueIris]

87. You are my hero.

:-)

[ZombieHorde]

133. LOL

Our son's name is Dionysus Pan. I am a dork and my wife is a hippy, so our kids get to have weird names.

[MineralMan]

92. Of course, she'll be required to name her daughter

Persephone, right?

[ZombieHorde]

132. If the brainwashing sticks, she will.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

68. True, but I do think those kids should get a free legal name change when they are old enough. nt

[smokey nj]

100. I hope one of them changes their name to "Myparentsareassholes"

[LanternWaste]

26. And I thought my best friend was a mess for naming his kid after...

And I thought my best friend was a mess for naming his kid after after a D&D character from 1981-- my chastisement of him for that decision is now somewhat humbled...

:evilgrin:

[JuniperLea]

35. There are some really odd names in my family...

Cha Cha

Peaches

Lily Fern

Not to mention my own name... my first name is a fragrant plant with berries used to flavor gin... my middle name means "meadow" in olde English... and my last name is an herb used to flavor certain wines. I'm a botanical:)

[LanternWaste]

43. hat are friends for other than to chastise for one's own amusement...

Well, he's a friend-- and what are friends for other than to chastise for one's own amusement? :P

Anyways-- my middle name is somewhat unique (I'm LanternWaste III-- so it was bound to happen) in that I googled it once at got zero hits. None at all. So when it comes to making fun of names, hang out at my place on poker night-- we take no prisoners... lol


(But "Cha Cha"? Really?)

[JuniperLea]

46. Really...

My great aunt was a professional dancer.

I share my first name with about a dozen women in my family, but they have it as their middle name. I'm the first to have it first.

Like my mom used to say, call me anything, but don't call me late to dinner!

Poker night with chastisement! Sounds like you know how to have a good time! LOL!!

[XemaSab]

86. Juniper Lea Wormwood?

Cool!

[MineralMan]

94. Jennifer....Juniper

Lived upon a hill...

[MineralMan]

98. Ah...May wine...

Not a common thing in the USA. I like the flavor of that herb.

[LostinVA]

95. You'd name your son Eustace, I just know it!

[LanternWaste]

110. If it's a girl, I'm naming her...

If it's a girl, I'm naming her "Dawn" :evilgrin:

[sinkingfeeling]

28. Well they're certainly doing their part to grow the white race; 3 kids under 3.

[TlalocW]

34. I really, really, really hope

That when he turns 18, Adolph moves out and into an apartment with a Black girlfriend (who has a healthy sense of humor/irony).

TlalocW

[JuniperLea]

39. A Jewish Black Girlfriend....

Would so rule!

It's been my experience that when children grow up with stupid parents, some of them try not to be as stupid. I grew up with a horribly racist grandfather... my mother and me are about as far from being racist as it gets.

Likewise, I know a family of old potheads who have four kids who abhor drugs and alcohol.

We can only hope these kids have a kinder, gentler adulthood.

[surrealAmerican]

125. ... make that a Jewish Black Boyfriend.

[unpossibles]

30. wow.

just... wow.

[sinkingfeeling]

36. There's a longer story on the family at a different link.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/warren-county/index.ssf?/base/news-0/122923112231930.xml&coll=3&thispage=1

Disabilities, the couple says, have left both out of work: Heath Campbell can't landscape or pump gas because he has emphysema, and Deborah can't waitress because she has a bad back. They live on Social Security payments.

In the foyer, Heath Campbell, who said he has German ancestry and a relative who fought for the SS, took off boots he said were worn by a Nazi solider named Daniel.

[MineralMan]

42. Uff da! A perfect circle.

Now I'm sure the kids will end up as wards of the court.

[VOX]

65. Holy horseflop! A white supremacist couple sucking the teat of the "welfare state" !!!

That oughta throw a wicked curve ball at the thinly-veiled old freeper chestnut about "welfare mothers," etc.

As for me, do I want these nitwits living off my tax dollars? Hell, no!! :crazy:

[PVnRT]

128. And yet

I bet they believe that anyone ELSE getting those benefits are "welfare queens." Fucking hypocrites.

[stillcool]

37. No "Happy Birthday Adolf"?

they had to have the "Hitler" in there? I wonder if they call him Adolf, or Adolf Hitler. What a burden to bear.

[CanonRay]

40. I thought we had all the assholes. Guess Canada has some too!

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

73. They're in NEW JERSEY

[ddeclue]

44. WTF is wrong with these parents???

Obviously they are white supremacists but this is just too much!!!

[Rebubula]

50. No...

..They are not racists, but they do not think that the races should mix. <<< From the article.

On a slightly lesser note...it would seem prudent to point out that these inbred assholes are NOT from the South. If you read some of the southern bashing threads you would think that racists only occur in the south.

I feel for the kids as they will pay for the sins of the father.

[Caliman73]

72. I love that statement...

"I'm not a racist but..." You know the next thing that comes out of the person's mouth is going to be extremely racist.

Racist people are everywhere. Unfortunately the South has a history of racism that stains inhabitants there who may not have a racist bone in their bodies. I know we have PLENTY of racists here in California.

[ogneopasno]

47. It is an ugly, ugly thing when children are taught to hate, and have it ingrained in their very

identities through their names. Those poor children.

[Kalyke]

48. Wait! This family is NOT Southern.

Why... there are racists in another region of the country?!

I declare!

:sarcasm:

(:hi: Grits)

[tammywammy]

63. Don't feel bad

That's the first thing I thought of. ;)

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

67. The NJ KKK is centered in Hackettstown, which is the same county

[PVnRT]

129. I believe I just got the vapors

[Catherine Vincent]

51. "...can't understand what all of the fuss is about."

What dumb racist dickwads. Poor kids.

[Alexander]

54. Why hasn't CPS taken these poor kids away yet?

Some people just shouldn't have kids.

Especially fascists.

[Solly Mack]

57. uh...

uh...





































uh...

[woodsprite]

59. Doesn't not writing "Happy Birthday Adolph Hitler" on the cake

fall under the same 'freedom' that pharmascists not dispensing birth control to patients with scripts fall under?

Now, if they refused to make the cake big enough for them to write it on and they were paying for the proper size cake, then that's wrong IMHO.

I've asked for blank cakes (or almost blank) cakes before so I could put my own little doodads and writing on, and the bakery has never said anything about it. I had them airbrush a road and put some icing trees on one for my son last year. I went out and got him some of the 3" power rangers w/ motorcycles and put on some chocolates that looked like rocks. It turned out really cute. It meant they were really toys and not the half plastic non movable figures they use for 'decoration only'.

Maybe the bakery was afraid their name would be associated with putting an anti-semetic saying on a cake, even if the customer wrote it on themselves.

[Obamarama]

61. What do you expect from some nimrod who uses miniature Coke bottles as objects des art?

I would have to fight tooth and nail and jump numerous legal hurdles to be able to adopt a child because I'm gay, and this inbred untermenschen(nothing like a little bit of reverse Nazi ideology to throw back at this cretin)and his lovely wife (is her name Eva Barun Campbell??) are free to spit out as many additional inbred little waifs as their twisted little hearts desire. Fucking amazing.

He's upset because a store won't emblazon the name of one of history's biggest monsters on his kid's birthday cake, and this is news exactly WHY?

[Burma Jones]

64. Goddamn Welfare Frauds with their Wii and rare glassware and fancy storeboughten cakes......

Never met a Nazi that could do a damn day's work.......

[VOX]

66. Yeah! Them lazy Nazis, eatin' strudel and doin' Tyrolean slap-dancing offa my tax dollars!

No more Nazi welfare cheats!!!!!! :bounce: :evilgrin: :bounce:

They don't like it, send 'em back to Germany! :crazy:

[EOTE]

130. Hey, watch your mouth!

Some of my best friends happen to be Tyrolean slap dancers. And I eat strudel because it's delicious, not because I'm 1/16th German.

[Skittles]

69. I can understand the sentiment

I asked a software engineer in India to stop saying "H as in Hitler" when relaying a batch job name to me at work - I found it highly distasteful.

[mitchum]

71. What the fuck is wrong with people?

maybe that fundy Baldwin brother can play him

[SoCalDem]

74. Those poor little kids don't stand a chance

:(

[davsand]

75. I guess they'll have to go someplace else for that cake.

I'd say that store has EVERY right to say "No" to making it, and the parents have every right to be called flaming assholes for naming a poor little kid after an international war criminal and mass murderer.

Next year, maybe they can have a cake made when they celebrate Slobodon Day and dance around their annual genocide bonfire...


:puke:



Laura

[Starbucks Anarchist]

77. I hope it was a chocolate cake.

[LeftyMom]

78. Fuckwits like these people can breed and the sweetest lady I know is infertile.

There's no fucking justice in the world, is there?

[ecstatic]

79. I feel so sorry for those kids. How will they get a quality education?

the moment they step into the classroom, they will be ostracized and shunned. Their parents are ignorant, disgusting and SELFISH!

[Starry Messenger]

80. I feel bad for their pediatrician...

and their future school teachers. I can't imagine seeing these names on a roll sheet the first day of class...

[BlueIris]

89. What makes you think they can afford one?

Or will send their kids to school?

Sounds like the couple checked out of society a long, long time ago.

[Starry Messenger]

104. You are probably right.

I thought there might be some aid for little kids to get health care, but I don't have any kids so I plead total ignorance on that. About the schooling I just assumed they would go. I'm just surprised that they would be so blase' about getting in the paper if they plan to live on the fringe. But hey, this is people we are talking about and some of them are impossible to fathom, that's for sure!

[firedupdem]

81. Poor Children...born to fucking nut jobs. n.t

[onethatcares]

82. couldn't the just go down to the local Hogglye-Woggly and get

a 2 boxes of cake mix, deep chocolate,three cans of icing, double dutch fudge, and some of those candles that don't burn out? They could take the candles and wire them together in the shape of a cross and have a grand old time laughing as the kid tries to blow em out.

Or, maybe mommy and daddy have a hard time spelling big werds.

Peace.

When do kids stop learning to share?

[carlyhippy]

83. wow...just wow....

... that is too bad, when those kids go to school, they will be treated like lepers....parents will freak out on this, probably won't let their kids go to their house, or be invited to parties, or even picked for teams..those poor kids didn't ask for this, shame shame on those parents! They thought they were being cool, but all they did was brand their kids.

[jmowreader]

85. You know what would have happened if they WOULD have done it...

GREENWICH TOWNSHIP (Spurious News Network) -- The ShopRite supermarket in this solidly working-class township was besieged today after it was learned the supermarket's bakery wrote "Happy Birthday, Adolf Hitler" on a cake.

"Don't ask me," said Marge Fredericks, the baker who made the cake. "Some damn fool named his kid after Adolf Hitler. My boss threatened to fire me if I didn't make a cake and put birthday greetings to Hitler on it. I fixed their sorry asses, though--I put two bags of weed in the batter and a whole fifth of bourbon in the icing. Once they sober up, they might realize how fucking stupid they were to do something that mean to such a sweet little boy."

The protest, which drew everyone except Heath and Deborah Campbell, the parents of this poor kid, was sparked when someone observed Mrs. Campbell pushing a cart with the sheet cake in it through the store while purchasing supplies for her child's third birthday party. Within the hour, thousands of people bearing anti-nazi signs appeared in front of the store. Said John Walker, chairman of the Holland Township chapter of the Anti-Defamation League, "Even though the cake's for a little kid, we figured we'd protest out here for a couple hours against the store being stupid enough to write Hitler's name on a cake."

And the cake itself? According to Mr. Walker, Adolf Campbell won't be celebrating his birthday over it. "After we found out there was pot and bourbon in it, we scraped Hitler's name off and served it to the crowd. It was pretty good. Can I get a ride home with you? I'm fuckin' WASTED, man..."

[MissB]

111. Two thumbs up

Very funny! :rofl:

[BlueIris]

88. That child doesn't need a birthday cake, he needs a new family.

And life-long therapy.

[Vickers]

96. "can't understand what all of the fuss is about"

Of course you can't.

:eyes:

I reckon if I was on Social Security I'd make my own cake. Oh wait, I do that now.

[poiuytsister]

101. Is this kid being held by the mom or the dad?

Kind of hard to tell.

[rainbow4321]

103. One of the captions says: "will be getting a cake from Wal-Mart this year"

Soooo...did Walmart agree to write the name or is the family getting a blank one and writing the name on the cake themselves???

[EmeraldCityGrl]

105. A Meth Dad and hideous decor. No one's showing up for the party anyway.

[TheKentuckian]

106. More fucktards breathing my air

and breeding up a storm. I hope and pray at least 1/3 of the brood comes out saner than an emu on acid.

[SammyWinstonJack]

118. And living off of your tax $$$.

[LisaL]

107. Are they planning to send their kid to public school?

[Bluebear]

108. Is that Stephen Baldwin?

[JPZenger]

112. Most people with name Hitler changed their names

Most people throughout the world who had the last name of Hitler legally changed their names many years ago.

When was the last time you ran into someone named Adolf?

One comedian said Adolf Coors' real first name was not really Adolf, that Adolf was just his nickname.

Who puts their middle name on a birthday cake anyway?

[gollygee]

113. Did they want a swastika on the cake too?

No, I don't think they're obligated to write "Happy Birthday, Adolph Hitler" on a cake.

[DonEBrook]

115. What gender is that uh, person in the picture?

:eyes: :scared:

[snooper2]

116. Some more info about these losers...

I'm sure most of Hitler's living fans would call them "welfare queens" correct? The irony


"Disabilities, the couple says, have left both out of work: Heath Campbell can’t landscape or pump gas because he has emphysema, and Deborah can’t waitress because she has a bad back. They live on Social Security payments."

"There are swastikas on walls, on jackets, on the freezer and on a pillow. The family car had swastikas, Heath Campbell said, until New Jersey’s Department of Children and Families told him they could endanger the children.

The swastikas, Heath Campbell said, are symbols of peace and balance. He considers them art.

“It doesn’t mean hatred to me,” he said. Deborah Campbell said a swastika “doesn’t really have a meaning. It’s just a symbol.”

Heath Campbell said he doesn’t want to force his views on his children, in part because he had views forced on him. He said he also teaches them nonviolence."

[DonEBrook]

119. Can't pump gas? sure looks like he can huff it...

:eyes:

[gollygee]

123. If the swastika didn't mean anything, they wouldn't be naming their kids stuff like

Adolph Hitler Campbell.

BULLSHIT.

"Just a symbol" my ass.

And yeah, I bet he's teaching little Adolph Hitler nonviolence. :eyes:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

117. What's the next Aryan to be named? Auschwitz Campbell? Gas Oven Campbell?

[TommyO]

121. I shop at that ShopRite frequently

I applaud their decision not to place a patently offensive name on a birthday cake, even if it was for a three year old!

[MindPilot]

122. With names like that these kids got a shot at the white house!!!

I mean who would name their kid Barack HUSSEIN Obama?

Before anyone goes all snake shit on me, that is a joke poking fun fun at the freeps who get all panty-wadded about the middle name of their new liberal overlord.

[mnhtnbb]

126. More bad protoplasm reproducing. Those poor kids don't have a chance.

[PVnRT]

127. Good for the supermarket

They're free to refuse service. I wouldn't want my business associated with making cakes for Aryan Nation fuckwits either.

[Sultana]

134. Freaks... poor kids...

Those names should count as abuse.