It pisses me off that bush just walks away with thousands of deaths on his hands

[Philosoraptor]

I am so sad when I remember the numbers of dead on bush's watch. The dead of nine eleven, the bastard KNEW it was coming, and kept it a secret from we the people, such a horror. And the alleged perp still out there, at large, supposedly. The way he exploited the dead sickens me to no end.

And the awful waste of over four thousand soldiers, in two unnecessary wars, wars that cannot be won or retreated from. They died for America, though they were led to their deaths with cheap lies, and bush doesn't give a fuck about them, they barely cross his mind. And the many, many thousands of wounded soldiers, wounded in body and soul, the horrible injuries these young men and women endured, AND FOR WHAT?

And its almost impossible to wrap your mind around the fact that bush is responsible for the deaths of a million Iraqis. A MILLION people, gone forever, and the son of a bitch never stopped grinning, smirking, chuckling and goofing while all that human suffering was going on.

I get sick to my stomach when I think about the torture of prisoners at the hands of Americans. I want to scream when I think about even one person being tortured, but there were and are still thousands of people being tortured, some to death, by this monster's decree.

But what disgusts and sickens me the most, is the ease with which he committed all these murders, and the overall lack of any legal action taken against him and his masters. The fact that his TWO clusterfuck wars are being passed on like some holy charge to keep, and the fact that this man isn't being locked up for war crimes causes me to question my own sanity.

Other than those like you here, most Americans could give a fuck about all the dead in the last 8 years. Most don't follow 'politics' and prefer football and 'reality' t.v. I am deeply saddened, and profoundly pissed that this piece of shit excuse for a human being will walk away from all the dead in his wretched wake, and probably die peacefully in his sleep, in the comfort of his mansion, surrounded by family, with a revolting smirk on his face. I can't stand the fact that America let him get away with it all, I thought our nation was better than that, but...

We were never allowed to see these wars and murders, the horrors of it all were kept from our view, like the returning flag draped coffins. All we saw were lofty speeches, parades, endless lies, and bush chuckling and smirking and behaving like an 8 year old idiot.

How has this son of a bitch escaped justice? Why do we let him just walk away from it all? Who ever thinks about all the lost souls that he callously ended? Over a million souls. How could one human being have done all these monstrous deeds and gotten away with it? Maybe I don't want to know the answer.

[Skittles]

1. you know it, Philosoraptor

yet someone can be demonized and held accountable for throwing fucking shoes at that murderous bastard

[madokie]

2. I can't believe they will just walk away and live happily every after

not in this universe will that happen. Too much destruction and lives lost for that to happen. If we don't do it ourselves someone else will. That I believe strongly.

[bdamomma]

15. they will be prisoners in their own country, cause these

criminals will not be able to go anywhere outside of the US. I guess it is gnawing at all of us, the past couple of days we get wise ass remarks of approval of torture, and a "so what" answer from Bush in regards to Martha Raddatz question to him. These criminals will re group if these SOB's are not held accountable. I just hate/despise what these criminals have done to us and to the country and other countries. Damn. Enough.

http://www.prosecutegeorgebush.com/donate.htm

[madokie]

28. You know what bothers me more is

people here who have no confidence in Barack Obama doing as hes said he would do. Last I checked he hasn't done anything to make me doubt him. Not one blasted thing has he mislead me on. none:banghead:

[Philosoraptor]

31. bush/cheney act like men who KNOW they'll never be prosecuted

[Kokonoe]

3. Time will tell.

;) 35 days 3 hours

[lonestarnot]

4. Fucking A.

35 more days.

[shadowknows69]

5. The one thing that keeps me off the ledge raptor?

The muther fucker is mortal and will still have to go to that grave like the rest of us some day.

[Ilsa]

20. Yeah, but he'll probably live to be 120 with all the wonderful free

medical care he gets at our expense.

I try so hard not to be this way, but he makes a black hole in my heart.

[raccoon]

6. But will he just walk away? The shoe-throwing incident showed us, if we needed showing,

a lot of people in the world hate him. Seems to me all his life there'll be the possibility of someone like the shoe thrower, only more lethal, crossing his path. If I were in his shoes, that would worry me.

I know, there will be SS for him, even after Obama takes office, but they said on the news that night that was for 10 years after the person left the presidency.

[bdamomma]

21. 10 years of protection for that SOB

I hope to see the day when he pays for his crimes.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

7. Thousands?

It is estimated - lowballed really, that 1,297,997 Iraqis have been killed due to the illegal invasion of Iraq.

American deaths are at 4,209.

Deaths due to the horror of Hurricane Katrina: 1,300

Bush & Cheney both have stated that they were going to invade Iraq no matter what they found regarding wmd's - In other words, they lied.

Of course I have always known they were lying sacks of shit and that Bush and his entire cabinet should be hauled into prison and left there.

This thread, due to the STFU chorus, will likely sink and fade away.

It's not popular to discuss the crimes of Bush here now... or didn't you get the memo?

K&R

[madokie]

8. Ours is a government of laws and not of men

bushco will be facing a long list of charges as soon as they exit stage. Bet on it.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

18. Really?

Not any longer it isn't... (a nation of laws) - My observation of the last 8 years leads me to believe that doing anything about the crimes of Bush and his pals are "Off the table."

[madokie]

27. I won't be throwing my hands up and surrendering

That would be like throwing everything I've done my whole life, Vietnam included, out the window, fuck that. sorry but thats not going to happen with me. I'll stand firm in support of the new President. At this point there is nothing he can do but come january 20 at 12 noon all hell will begin to break loose, especially for bushco and their enablers.

[I814U]

19. I'm afraid I won't be sharing that bet...

...they've already read our President--the real president--the one democratically elected--the Riot Act.

We all know Bush wasn't smart enough to blow his own nose without Cheney and his neocons giving him written instructions. Bush is just a stage prop; the kind magicians use to distract you to look at their right hand as their left hand pulls a rabbit out.

Obama wasn't given a Transition briefing he was given an Explanation Briefing. He wasn't told how the mechanisms of power work he was told what his policies would be. How do you think a man that spoke so passionately about ending the wrong war for the wrong reasons can walk into a room filled with career politiians and secret service agents then come back out talking about keep close to 100,000 troops in Iraq for the foreseeable future. It gives them their war and now it makes him complicitous. How can he prosecute Bush or allow Bush to be carted off to the Hague without putting himself in the same jeopardy? What's he going to say, "But mine was a whole different kind of illegal occupation."

They took him inside, away from the cameras, sat him down and said, "You had your little populist moment and it was cute, but now we're going to tell you how things REALLY work around here..."

See all those people with guns surrounding our president and his wife and his two sweet little daughters? Is that a Presidential Protection detail...or minders? They can't let them get too uppity can they?

[madokie]

25. I'm sorry but I don't buy into any of that bull

[QueenOfCalifornia]

32. I know...

you are thinking like a person who believes that justice will prevail.

I wish I could share your enthusiasm. My prediction?

Bush will live out his days in bliss down in Dallas with Pickles by his side drinking himself to death or he will flee to his massive ranch in Paraguay.

Out of curiosity, what makes you believe that Obama will do anything about the crimes committed by Bush? He has never once, that I am aware of, said anything to indicate that he gives a rats ass about the crimes.

Also, your demeanor is a bit vitriolic when engaging you in a constructive conversation is all I was looking for. If you want to say something that backs up your firm belief that our fucked up to the max Justice Department will do anything about Bushco, by all means... Please elaborate.

[mmonk]

9. We are all killers by accepting it for our legacy.

Our soul rots as we seek our next paycheck, are happy a new party takes hold without an accounting or accountability. We go to our churches and synagogues on saturday and sunday and hear the idiotic word combinations of "God and country" while we drown on the lie that we are a great and generous people while suffering lack of conscience.

[lunatica]

10. .

One of the reasons I started commenting online and writing letters to journalists and newspapers and op eds is to protest as loud as I can about exactly what you're writing about. And once Bush is gone I'm not going to forget what he's done. I won't be able to since it's all part of our history. I just call it the Bush Era. Worse than the McCarthy Era.

[Laelth]

11. It's not too late to impeach him.

Once he leaves office, impeachment will not be an option. Then we will need to charge him, arrest him, indict him, try him, convict him, and imprison him.

Actually, I like the idea of banishment. Either way, I agree with the OP's sentiments. Bush should not be allowed to escape justice.

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth

[slipslidingaway]

12. And imagine 50 million American refugees....

agree with everything you mentioned and add the refugee crisis.


Tomgram: Michael Schwartz, The Iraqi Brain Drain

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174892

"I'm an innumerate, but the figures on this -- the saddest story of our Iraq debacle -- are so large that even I can do the necessary computations. The population of the United States is now just over 300,000,000. The population of Iraq at the time of the U.S. invasion was perhaps in the 26-27 million range. Between March 2003 and today, a number of reputable sources place the total of Iraqis who have fled their homes -- those who have been displaced internally and those who have gone abroad -- at between 4.5 million and 5 million individuals. If you take that still staggering lower figure, approximately one in six Iraqis is either a refugee in another country or an internally displaced person.

Now, consider the equivalent in terms of the U.S. population. If Iraq had invaded the United States in March 2003 with similar results, in less than five years approximately 50 million Americans would have fled their homes, assumedly flooding across the Mexican and Canadian borders, desperately burdening weaker neighboring economies. It would be an unparalleled, even unimaginable, catastrophe..."


http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/episodes/iraqi-exodus/introduction/811/

"WIDE ANGLE reports from the frontlines of the staggering refugee crisis that is unfolding in the Middle East as Iraqis flee their war-torn country at the rate of up to 50,000 people per month. Since the war began in 2003, more than four million Iraqi civilians have fled their homes – half of them becoming exiles in neighboring countries and the rest dislocated within Iraq’s borders.

While headlines are dominated by the deadly sectarian violence engulfing Iraq, the refugee crisis - the biggest in the Middle East since the displacement of the Palestinians in 1948 - is all but ignored..."

[azul]

13. Rat bastids bankrupted us.

Damn, the secret service budget gets the axe, big-time too.

[Mira]

14. So simply stated Philosoraptor - it way more than pisses you off.

And me, too.

[L0oniX]

16. We pay taxes ...we are complicit.

[Solly Mack]

17. Thank you

"fact that his TWO clusterfuck wars are being passed on like some holy charge to keep..."

YES!

"the fact that this man isn't being locked up for war crimes ..."

YES!

It's not my sanity I question concerning the above.....still..I'm getting there.

[leftyladyfrommo]

I feel the same way. These guys raped our country. And

several other countries. The actual death count in Iraq directly from the war is over a million people - and millions more in exile.

But history is funny. We may see these guys get theirs yet. This government by monsters.

[leftyladyfrommo]

22. I feel the same way. These guys raped our country. And

several other countries. The actual death count in Iraq directly from the war is over a million people - and millions more in exile.

But history is funny. We may see these guys get theirs yet. This government by monsters.

[Lars39]

23. And now we have Cheney spouting off his good byes...

I hope to see them both imprisoned and their followers helpless.

[Fireweed247]

24. Over one million Iraqis killed

and that war reported years ago. It's sick what we have allowed him to do, and so emboldened he ends his presidency by robbing the country with he and his buddies laughing their asses off. We will be paying for what he has done forever. WE no longer have any credibility, the rest of the world thinks we are idiots as well, and we are beyond broke financially. Mission Accomplished.

I have often felt that it is Bushco that hates US,(perhaps the Nazis are still angry about WW2) and that they did this on purpose to crush our Country forever.

[leftofthedial]

26. there is NO JUSTICE in America to escape.

When you are a member of the privileged oligarchy, you don't have to trouble your beautiful mind with such pedestrian concepts as being held accountable for "crimes." When the privileged class does it, it's not a crime.

[Philosoraptor]

30. The bush vampire family has been getting away with war crimes for a century

[Mari333]

29. Dont worry! Nancy Pelosi will rescue us all

"I will send him a stern letter and point my finger at him!"

[judasdisney]

33. But he kept us safe

Inside the "he-kept-us-safe" argument is a built-in incentive for the Cheney Sleeper Cells in the Pentagon & NSA to stage false-flag bombings of U.S. cities: "See? Democrats FAIL. Bush was a SUCCESS."

But don't worry. There are no such thing as false-flags. Go back to sleep.

[Philosoraptor]

34. except on nine eleven

[Philosoraptor]

35. ...............

[KharmaTrain]

36. He Only Gets Away With It If We Forget...

Words will never describe my disgust for both the past 8 years and the war criminals who led this country into the ground. Right now I'm just glad they're on the way out...finally a little light in a very long tunnel. Many still have their blinders on or are still in a stupor over what happened. Let's see how this narrative changes after January 21st. When this regime is gone and losses what little power it has left, will they skate the way they have?

I once heard a lawyer say that "justice never works as you hope it will, but it works"...those who deserve it will find or get it one way or another...and I tend to think that will be the case here. This regime can only get away with their crimes if we "move on" and not learn from the mistakes.

Firstly, with fukstick leaving with the lowest approval rating ever, that's an indication of the future...and the public's tolerance about future prosecutions. Unlike past regimes, the damage these bastards have left is far and wide...millions in this country have lost a loved one or their jobs or homes or savings...too many to just let things slide...and I suspect they won't.

While the incoming Obama administration may have their hands tied for a long time trying to straighten this mess, there are still investigations that are ongoing, lawsuits that are pending or soon to be filed and a lot of legal messes that will follow this regime as they try to sneak out of town.

I want to believe that there is justice in this world...and as the lawyer said, it just doesn't always work on my schedule or to my specifications, but it will be served.

One jury that has already spoken was on November 4th...a total repudiation of the GOOP...and at least we have that going for us...just imagine if we had to endure 4 years of McCain...or worse.

[Philosoraptor]

37. The neo cons have screwed things up for years to come.

And the things they did will linger and they leave us to deal with it and clean up the mess.

[opihimoimoi]

38. We now have the Perfect Protest..."Old Shoes"