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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:41 AM
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If you met bush at a party would you be polite or would you call him a monster?
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 07:45 AM by Philosoraptor
Personally, if someone at some swanky function said, "I'd like you to meet President bush", I'd REFUSE to shake his hand, then I'd call him the worst disgrace to America ever. If I had enough time, I'd spit a couple of awful, nasty names in there too, in fact, I'd make such a scene that I'd have to be escorted out.

I could simply never be formal or polite to such a fucking murderous monster.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:43 AM
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1. Neither, I would totally ignore him
Given his personality, that would torque him more than anything else.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:27 AM
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32. Cold shoulder and dismissive.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:43 AM
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57. A chilly greeting coupled with an icy glare
is just as cutting, and would piss the little monster off just as much.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:44 AM
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2. I would point and snicker - and refuse to meet with him.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:44 AM
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3. That is a nightmare of a situation that I hope none of us ever finds
ourselves in. Can you imagine? Yuk!
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:44 AM
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4. I'd probably be polite and say..........
.....murderers roast in hell. Enjoy the barbecue!
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:44 AM
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5. Wear slip-on shoes to the event.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:49 AM
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8. Nah, steel toed work boots.
To represent the middle class that he tried to destroy. Plus, they really hurt!
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:45 AM
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6. vomit
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 07:45 AM by stuntcat
I'd probably vomit, no kidding, and hopefully on him. I never get sick but I can't imagine being near him without vomiting (in his direction)

edit: :puke: :puke:
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:46 AM
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7. I'd turn my back to him
I would not acknowledge his presence.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:50 AM
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11. uh . . . isn't turning your back to him an acknowledgement of his presence
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:58 AM
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16. it's a matter of perspective
he wouldn't know one way or the other.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:49 AM
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9. I'd ignore him.
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 07:50 AM by mwb970
Look right through him like he isn't there. Like those two guys who ignored him waving at them in that one video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L9zeHWktus

edit: add link
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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:10 PM
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63. I've never seen that one. I believe you just made my day.
:D Thank you! I enjoyed that as much as I loved the video of no one shaking his hand.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:49 AM
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10. In all honesty i would likely greet him politely then excuse me as soon as possibly
To do anything else would more or less be an insult to the hosts and i can see no reason to do so even if we are talking about Bush
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:53 AM
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13. wow - a mature approach - whodathunk we would have one of those these days
yes - I would do the same. That would be appropriate.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:55 AM
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14. That's the diff between you and I
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:14 AM
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27. Quite right! I mean who could forget their manners???
Even if someone started a war on false pretenses so some folks could get rich, ruined the economy, underminded the constitution and then hid behind his (improperly obtained) position.

There are classy ways of being snarky. This guy deserves at least that.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:45 AM
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35. so attacking him verbally changes any of that?
It is nothing more than a "feel good" activity.

It would not make me feel good - so would refrain from any such boorish behavior. It is more a reflection on how "you" act in a social setting than on junior.

just mho.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:09 AM
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43. how you act in a social setting is a reflection of how much of a slave you are to this system...
Mind you, a system constructed and maintained by assholes like this, such that they may continue to profit and take advantage of their citizens (workers).
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:17 AM
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45. so how do you think someone less assholish would react in this same situation?
Say . . . a Ghandi, or a Mother Theresa, or someone you find acceptable.

Can you truly envision either of these to verbally attack?

Or would they take a more "mature" approach? (I guess, a more "manipulated" approach in your world)
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:20 AM
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47. I am no Ghandi
Nor am I Malcom X, a great man before me, who I would assume would deliver a tongue lashing of epic proportions.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:22 AM
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49. and there are an equal number who would refrain from such an outburst
maintaining their dignity at the same time
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:27 AM
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50. Fuck dignity...
What dignity can a man have who cannot speak one's own heart, when it is so heavily burdened? If this is your view of dignity, begone with it, as it is a worthless concept to me.

A far larger number of your saintly founding fathers probably tread upon the lines of what is socially acceptable, than you realize. People are people. I imagine even Mother Teresa's shit stank too.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:28 AM
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51. Dignity? Toward THAT fucker? Fuck dignity
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:36 AM
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55. And there is also something we call "integrity"
How would you like to die knowing that you blew your one moment in your life to speak your heart in any profane manner you saw fit to express true reaction to the horror and transgressions this man has brought on the human race? How would you like to know your heart was suppressed by external social norms, that claim your personal sovereignty and manipulate your actions? How much integrity does a man have who suppressed their inner voice and failed to penetrate this bubble?
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:06 PM
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62. Didn't Mother Teresa berate Hillary Clinton
for her abortion beliefs? She was no shrinking violet, and I am sure she would take Bush to task for his warmongering torturing ways.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:48 PM
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64. its all in the approach
did Mother Teresa do it in a manner suggested by others in this thread?
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:35 AM
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54. This man deserves to serve time. In lieu of that complete social pariahdom will have to do.
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 09:38 AM by YOY
and if telling someone that they are a incompetent boob (when they are well beyond the definition in terms of boobery) and a criminal in non-vulgar terms happens to paint me in a bad light then I join Groucho Marx (with whom my wit could never compete) in such infamy.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:06 AM
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41. What is the value of "maturity" other than self edification?
At least when I am done masturbating, I have something to show for it...

Why let this social norm that is constructed around you continue to cage you in? We are only human. We feel, we laugh, we love, we hate, we breathe, we shit. Here is a man whose backwards vision, spawned by greed and incompetence, has claimed the lives of thousands of our human brothers and sisters. They were derived a chance further to revel in their essence; to be human. In their name, embrace your humanity. Tell him to fuck of with all the vehemence you can muster.
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zagging Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:15 AM
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44. What is the purpose of masturbation other than self-gratification?
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 09:18 AM by zagging
Social norms are pretty important, lest we be beset by all manner of booger flickers and shitters in the street.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:22 AM
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48. But I would rather lie with the booger flickers than him.
So bring them on, as far as I am concerned. I don't need an establishment norm telling me how I can or cannot socially address an establishment murderer.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:29 AM
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52. The SS is trained to deflect any & all boogers aimed at the former president
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zagging Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:40 AM
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56. So you shall
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:52 AM
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61. Regarding "the value of maturity":
It's important to feel like you're a "good person", however you define that. No matter how horrific the person you're meeting is, you want to be honorable because it's who you are.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:52 AM
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12. I'd try to ignore him. nt
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:57 AM
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15. Before or after I kick his sorry ass??
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:58 AM
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17. IT DEMPENDS WHEN .....AFTER JAN 20,,,,
He would get living hell from me..
I am not sure what the I would do before that date.
..Perhaps the same..But, I doubt I could get close enough..and it couldn't happen..I don't frequent those parties..

But after Jan 20...living hell.
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:59 AM
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18. I'd be polite and then move off to talk to someone else as soon as I could.
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 07:59 AM by ogneopasno
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:59 AM
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19. I'm still trying to picture myself at a swanky function.
:P
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flobee Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:06 AM
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22. I'd most likely do the same thing I did with another
celeb that I didn't like
Walk up, ask very politely if I could get a picture,

hand him the camera and pose with a friend:evilgrin:


OR if I knew of the event in advance, buy an impeach bush t-shirt, fold it so all that is seen is the word bush, and get an autograph.

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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:07 AM
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24. That is why I don't have an answer.
:rofl:
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jschurchin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:05 AM
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20. I would ask him what
10+12 is. Then after I get the "Well duhhhhhh" I would thank him for playing.
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anndash Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:06 AM
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21. I wouldn't go anywhere near him
He probably reeks of decay and death. The Obamas are going to have to fumigate the WH.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:23 AM
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30. after eight years they better fumigate the WH.
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 08:24 AM by alyce douglas
open the windows to get some fresh air through the WH.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:07 AM
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23. You know, I have a friend who had to meet VP Cheney. This friend is an avowed
left wing liberal, and without going into details, for his job he had to be at a function where circumstances made it necessary to be introduced to Cheney and shake his hand. He gritted his teeth through the whole thing, but he couldn't get out if it, and he couldn't say anything, and he basically just did the best he could to get through it and get it over with.

When I was talking with him about it later I commented on how I don't think I could have gone through with it, I would have had to wash my hands immediately, etc. etc. etc.

But then I was struck by a philosophical point. I wouldn't call myself an "intellectual", necessarily, but I do think about a lot of things and I have something of an intellectually inquisitive nature, and I think sometimes scientific/philosophical curiosities sometimes trump ideological concerns.

I saw that this actually might have been one of those times for me, had I been in my friend's position. Although it would have been repellent on so many levels to shake the hand of the monster Cheney, I can't help but think that, from a philosophical point of view, it might actually be fascinating to literally shake the hand of a man you know is going to Hell.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:48 AM
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36. My mother used to keep a picture of Poppy.
On the sideboard in the Dining room. He was shaking my niece's hand during a parade. It was a setup meeting. Her mother was an informant for Bush Gang and they just wanted to let me know how much they cared.

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:09 AM
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25. Neither. I'd talk to him for a moment to get a grip on if the man truly is an idiot.
And upon learning so I would openly tell him that very fact; "You truly are a blue blood idiot. I've heard that in Harvard you openly displayed some sort of social status superiority complex. You have no superiority over anyone save monetarily and by means of connection." I'm sure he would have some laughably counterable puerile snark on walking away.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:10 AM
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26. interesting question. I would shake his hand, then dismiss him...
...as easily as he has dismissed all of us.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:17 AM
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28. I'd refuse to acknowledge him and turn my back.
I would do something similar to this:

I encountered a man who was filmed wearing an "Osama for Obama" tee w a picture of Obama in Kenyan garb to a Hillary Primary Party (admitted GOP crossover voter). He is a wealthy local business man whose children attend the same school as mine. Although I did not want to make a scene for my children's sake, my husband and I stood by him and I said real loud "there's that ignorant racist that wore that Osama for Obama on television" in a crowd of people at a school function. I also forwarded the film clip along with an article about it to a number of the progressive teachers at the school (not on their school emails, obviously).

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:22 AM
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29. I wouldn't want to be in the same room as that criminal
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:25 AM
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31. It depends on the host or hostess of the party
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 08:38 AM by lunatica
I wouldn't disrespect my host or hostess. But maybe the urge to wipe my hand after the handshake would be too great to resist. I know my disapproval would show in my face (clenched jaw, frown, lips pressed together, words spoken through clenched teeth, etc.). I know I would definitely want to wash my hands after that because I've been in situations where I shook hands with someone I loathed. I could feel the koodies like they were slime.

And the handshake itself would show my disapproval. I wouldn't grip his hand. I would keep my fingers stiff and withdraw my hand quickly enough that he would know I couldn't stand to be touched by him. It's subtle enough that only he would get it while everyone else would miss it entirely. Sometimes these gestures are far more effective than words.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:34 AM
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33. Shake his hand. With a really strong grip. REALLY strong grip.
As a (faux) Texan, his sense of machismo would deny him the ability to show any expression of pain, but you and he would both know that he'd want to whimper.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:08 AM
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42. Too bad you couldn't stick a couple of pencils between his fingers first.
Try it some time.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:39 AM
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59. What I'd REALLY like to do is
...waterboard him with the punch bowl. But that is highly unlikely.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 04:34 PM
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66. Don't waterboard the VP with a Punch Bowl
It will leave a dull impression on his mind.

He's not worth the bother. Don't make him feel important.
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zagging Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:40 AM
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34. Maybe a better moniker would be Ideologicalraptor
Your hypothetical response does not sound very philosophical. Sadly, we will probably never know if you possess the courage of your convictions. I hope to see such a report in the news someday, and I hope they do not chickenwing and stomp you too roughly if you decide to test your fortitude.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:53 AM
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37. I would probably say "How does it feel to be responsible
for the deaths of over One Million innocent people, war criminal" or at least want to. I cant even look at him on TV, much less shake his evil hand.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:57 AM
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38. I would spit in his face and throw my shoe at him
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:00 AM
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39. If I was in someone else's home
I would be polite but hopefully the host would know me well enough to know not to introduce me to him and put me in that position. If it was at an event in a hotel or something, I wouldn't shake his hand and I'd do my best to ignore him.
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chomper68 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:00 AM
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40. I’d be sure to wear clean socks.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:17 AM
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46. Good one
welcome
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Charlie16 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:30 AM
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53. No handshake no smile
And ask "why did you do what you did?"
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:57 AM
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58. "So ...uhm ...what's it like to be a rocket scientist?"
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:44 AM
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60. I don't know
In my self righteous fantasy I would say , "My hand is clean and I will not shake your hand because I don't know if I could ever get all of the dirt off." The problem is that I am probably the only one who would understand what I meant and it is a fantasy.

In the real world I probably would meet him and get the hell away from that evil man as fast as I could.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 03:01 PM
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65. "Who cares what you think?" -- Bush 7/4/01
It was July 4, 2001, and we were both at one of those things that the late historian Daniel Boorstin would have labeled a "pseudo event": a church picnic in Philadelphia, designed to help promote George W. Bush's faith-based policies. Because I had serious misgivings about the president's performance to that point, my own involvement in the whole operation had left me feeling a bit like a pseudo person, so when I had the chance to shake Bush's hand, I said, "Mr. President, I hope you only serve one term. I'm very disappointed in your work so far."

His smiling response was swift: "Who cares what you think?"

-- http://dir.salon.com/story/opinion/feature/2004/03/19/bush_encounter/index.html

:patriot:

I'd do exactly the same, and I'd expect the same response from Smirk.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 04:36 PM
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67. I'd throw my shoe..... but *I* wouldn't miss....
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 04:37 PM
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68. i wear a size 16 shoe....
but i'd still be able to fit it up his ass.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 04:39 PM
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69. "Who are you and who let you in?"
That would kill his ego and put him in a rage....

Then my response would be, 'who the fuck are you and why are you still here?"
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