Tony Perkins (hideous fundie tool) says the following

[musette_sf]

about Warren's spot at the inaugural:

Let’s hope that Rick Warren will use his channel of communication to the new President to press him for more pro-family policies rather than simply being used by Mr. Obama to make political inroads with evangelicals.

do you get it NOW?

do you see that these bigots have NO PLANS to "come under the big tent"?

do you see that they just want to continue to force their dominionist woman-hating gay-hating agenda down our throats?

what will it take for you to see the light?

[Dennis Donovan]

1. Recommended - there's NO common ground with these nutty bigots!

:thumbsdown:

[BeFree]

15. Yeah

We should ban them from holding jobs.
Make sure they can't marry or keep kids.
And mark them with colors so we know who they are.


Sounds familiar, eh?

[Name removed]

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[musette_sf]

24. if you have to go to the (completely illogical) opposite extreme to try and prove a point

then you've lost the argument.

[BeFree]

28. What argument am I making?

[musette_sf]

29. this one:

We should ban them from holding jobs.
Make sure they can't marry or keep kids.
And mark them with colors so we know who they are.

accusing us, who speak out against bigots, of being of the same stripe.

FAIL.

[BeFree]

38. You're not?

It sure looks that way to me. It seems a vicious circle yall (gays and fundies) are playing on, it just goes round and round. And nothing ever gets done. Except hate.

[girl gone mad]

46. epic fail. n/t

[BeFree]

48. That's it? That's all ya got?

On such an important subject that's all ya got?

if we can just keep the fundies from taking over, the world will be safe. as it is the fundies will ruin gay marriage, intoxicate our kids, and cause untold grief. That's the truth, eh?

[NeedleCast]

51. It's really all that needed

Epic fail.

Quite apt.

[BeFree]

52. You too?

Gawd, the lack of communication is appalling! Expected, but appalling.

Admit it folks, you'd do undo others like they do unto you, in a heartbeat. I see it here on DU everyday. Round and round yall go, where it stops NOBODY frickin knows. Enough!

[Dennis Donovan]

33. You realize that you're making no sense, do you?

:crazy:

[wryter2000]

54. Gee

I have a job and can marry and have kids (by adoption), and I'm not marked by anything, but I'm still not qualified to delivery a convocation at an presidential inaugural. This is an idiotic comparison.

I'm with the others: epic fail.

[BeFree]

55. right

We should mark all straight people so we know who they are.

[roguevalley]

22. I wish someone would get the dirt on that clown and make him go away.

[Bluebear]

2. But Obama will meet with Warren and CHANGE his mind! We have to reach out to all!!1

:crazy:

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[BeFree]

13. What?

You don't think Obama can change his mind? That's crazy all right.

[jonnyblitz]

3. the apologists don't care about any of this. they just want to spin

and make excuses for DEAR LEADER. it's like trying to reason with fucking Larouchies. :crazy:

[KittyWampus]

8. screw it

[musette_sf]

11. maybe you'll get it someday

[Bluebear]

16. She won't.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

21. Nevermind

[musette_sf]

23. self delete

[Celeborn Skywalker]

26. It has nothing to do with this current Rick Warren thing.

This poster has a history of calling anyone who say anything positive about Obama "cultish" or that he is our "Dear Leader", etc.

But I will delete the pic.

[musette_sf]

27. thank you

[jonnyblitz]

64. i wish i could have seen whatever it was he/she/it posted

before it was deleted. I can only imagine.. :crazy:

[jonnyblitz]

63. WRONG! i only refer to supporters as cultish if they freak out

at any and all criticism of Obama or REFUSE to acknowledge when he fucks up and harass and stalk those of us that DO criticize him.

[DonEBrook]

4. They plan to own the 'tent' and regulate just who gets to come in.

I can't believe the bastards have flummoxed even some DUers.
:grr: :scared:

[TechBear_Seattle]

25. Who needs a Big Tent when there is so much room under the bus?

[The Magistrate]

5. Perkins, Ma'am, Sounds Worried About Losing Clientele....

[TK421]

6. So THIS is what he's been doing with his time...he should go back to starring

in more Psycho sequels

[MarkInCA]

9. I thought he went on safaris

for Mutual of Omaha? Now I'm confused.

Darn fundies, they're so confusing

[TK421]

12. I know, they always keep you guessing

:-)

[Mari333]

10. and if you give these bigots and inch , they will take a mile

I guess people havent learned yet from "Impeachment is off the table" Pelosi and her merry band of spineless jellyfish.

[malaise]

14. Any moment now we'll hear from Haggert

and Rick Reed. Fuck all of them! PE Obama will learn that they are bigots with one goal - continuing to benefit from tax payer money.

[spanone]

17. true, but obama is gonna try and i wish him luck. he's younger than me and less cynical

[musette_sf]

20. the irony is

that i consider this move by Obama to be disturbingly cynical.

[girl gone mad]

47. Absolutely, it's cynical.

Transparent, too.

[OwnedByFerrets]

19. K and R

[ipfilter]

30. I just see this as the creation of a new

Jerry Falwell. We *just* got rid of that one and now we have a new one in the making. Also, I know my racists, Methodist, staunch Republican Aunt will still think Obama is a mooslim whether Rick Warren says a prayer or not.

[MineralMan]

31. I expect Warren will give a white bread invocation,

something like this:

Dear Lord:

We just ask you today to look down and bless our nation as a new leader takes the helm. We pray that he will be ruled by Your will and lead the nation on a righteous path. As we face difficult times, may he guide our path down a good road.

We know, O Lord, that your watchful eye is on the United States of America, and ask You to not take your hand from this nation.

In Jesus name, we pray,

Amen

I do not think there will be any mention of abortion, gays, or anything else. It's just not done, and Warren is enough of a make-nice preacher when he needs to be to give just that kind of prayer.

Note this and see if I'm not correct.

[nichomachus]

34. Who cares -- it's what he represents that's important n/t

[MineralMan]

36. My point is that his prayer will come and go quickly and will be meaningless....

I'm waiting for Obama's inaugural address. Warren's just a silly invoker. Nobody will remember a word of his "holy" supplication. Screw him!

[nichomachus]

39. Again, you're missing the point

Warren is not just a "silly invoker." If that were the case, why not just pick some guy off the street? He was chosen for a reason -- a very important reason. There are hundreds of thousands of preachers in the US. Warren was chosen to send a message. If you choose not to understand the message, then more the pity for you.

[mitchtv]

41. who gives a rat's ass what he says

He's alreasdy said and done enough. Obama thinks he can just repeat the Mcclukin pablum; Gays can expect nothing from that liar

[SidneyCarton]

32. Mr. Perkins is not Mr. Warren

What he says does not necessarily reflect what will be said during the invocation. Nor does what will be said during the invocation necessarily reflect on what policies the Obama Administration will pursue. Trust a church-goer, no one remembers what was said in the invocation, and unless the benediction is particularly noteworthy (Having one of the founding fathers of the Civil Rights movement give it suggests it might be) precious few will remember it either. What will be remembered is the Inaugural address, which Mr. Warren is neither writing nor giving.

[MADem]

35. Of course. This invitation is a signal to the fundies that the issues near and dear

to their hearts (no marriage for those dreadful queers, no easing up on barriers to choice that have been thrown up) will be maintained under This Christian Presidency. It's a great big leap rightward.

They don't get it. They'll never get it. There's too much cognitive dissonance happening. How can anyone who fist bumps POSSIBLY be a bigot?

You'll hear every excuse from "He doesn't mean it, really" to "It's all part of his secret plan to bamboozle the fundies" and "They FORCED him to do it--he was er...MANIPULATED....by the Dee El CEE!!!! Blame THEM!!!! Yeah, that's the ticket!!!"

Don't blame Obama, though, really--the words that indicated he was OPPOSED TO GAY MARRIAGE came out of his mouth a LONG TIME AGO. During the PRIMARY. He might insist now that he's fervently for equal rights for all, but you can't be "fervently" for equal rights for all if you oppose a key federal benefit for a segment of our population--you just can't.

But let's be fair. He never made a secret of it. He said what he said. He's not changing his awful position--he's just solidifying it.

Some people, eager, nay, ANXIOUS to see in Obama the liberal ideals that they craved, IGNORED what he said. Others listened to his pals, who nudged and winked on his behalf. Blame the people who "interpreted" for him and said to you "Pssst...he doesn't mean it--he's just SAYIN' that, to get elected, see?" They lied to you.

And Rick Warren, with his words of hate wrapped up in a big smile and a bit of folksy scripture, is the proof of that. Meet the New Billy Graham--I'll bet Mister Saddleback will spend a lot of time at the White House, basking in the Glory and warming up his flock to vote for a second term....Quid Pro Quo, after all.

There will be more disappointments to come, I suspect.

[Dukkha]

37. When they accept Rev Wright to some Republican event, I'll listen to their BS

but I don't think that will happen in anyone's lifetime

I will never tolerate the intolerant. fuck them all.

[mmonk]

40. Bingo. Recommended.

[zehnkatzen]

42. What? They Didn't Mind Getting Used Like Cheap U-No-What's When It Was A Republican Doing It.

Once again, the evangelical community shows its hypocrisy, drunkenness on temporal power, and displays exactly why I view all religion these days with an extremely jaundiced eye.

[zehnkatzen]

43. I Much Prefer the gay actor Tony Perkins. Sadly, He's No Longer With Us. n/t k/r

[judasdisney]

62. I bet Rev Tony is a real-life Psycho

[sarcasmo]

44. I sure hope Obama can make a change before the Inauguration.

[girl gone mad]

45. Anyone who believes that Obama can win fundies over..

without adopting their bigoted, regressive social agenda needs to have their head examined.

[BeFree]

53. Well

Lets examine yours. So you think all is hopeless. That only by taking an opposite stance can you ever win. Funny, that's the bushco way. It doesn't work. Nothing to date has really worked, because the two sides have never sat down and talked. There will be a change in that policy.

[Heathen57]

56. The 'other side' meaning Dobson, Perkins, et al,

DON"T WANT to talk. The mainstream Christians, Gays, non-Christians, all have been told not to make waves because then the Religious Reich will become more and more stubborn.

I've seen them at work for more than 30 years, and I have some news for you. They refuse to allow any compromise. At all. They are determined to see a theocratic government (Bush tried)where they control the countries 'morals'.

This may sound cynical, but it is just a fact of life. They will not stop until abortion is illegal including cases of rape and incest, all porn is banned (including Playboy and its clones), most music is gone, and the list goes on and on.

The only hope we have is to make them as ineffective as possible politically. I'm sure Obama is hoping for some sort of compromise with them, being Christian himself, but their past record indicates it will never happen.

[BeFree]

57. Well

Their numbers are shrinking, and they are losing across the board, but no, some will never compromise, but their leaders will, and they follow leaders, so, as the leaders go so go the sheep. There is some hope.

[KamaAina]

49. Mahalo nui loa (thank you very much), musette!

P.S. you do realize that the phrase "hideous fundie tool" contains a double entendre, right? :evilgrin:

[KitchenWitch]

50. Great post.

Not happy that this post had to be made.

[Pastiche423]

58. I've seen the light

And it's butt ugly.

Great post, btw!

[MrScorpio]

59. What's more pro-family than a living wage and single payer health care?

That's the "pro family" that's Obama is aiming for

[Solly Mack]

60. K&R

[Neshanic]

61. But, but Obama will give them the "Power Stare", and they will fall right in line.

That's how those religious folks work. Just takes a simple thing like that to erase years of creepy and freakshow religion.

[and-justice-for-all]

65. Fuck you, Tony Perkins....you fascist bigoted prick..nt

[caraher]

66. Perkins doesn't get Obama

The problem with Warren isn't that Obama is going to give any serious consideration to his arguments as having any merit. The problem is that Obama is playing a political game of trying to defuse the antipathy of the RW Christofascists by a symbolic gesture that is deeply offensive to so many who worked hard for him.

Perkins and anyone else in his camp is dreaming if they really think they can bend his ear and change his mind about anything except the political cost of advancing a human rights agenda. Warren can talk hate (under the code phrase "family values") until the Rapture and it won't make a difference to Obama's thinking. It's strictly theater.

[tomp]

68. right, he's losing as many as he will gain.

and the reason is: that no matter how bad he gets he expects we will all fall into line in 2012. if history is any predictor, he is right. frankly , i think he is seriously jeopardizing his agenda (whatever that is) by alienating the left.

[depakid]

67. What else are they going to say?

:shrug: