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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:37 PM
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Rice: Bush didn't ignore any 9/11 'warning,' because there was no 'when, where, how'
Source: The Raw Story

Outgoing Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has acknowledged that she was responsible for the security failures that made possible the 9/11 attacks. However, she did so only fleetingly and in a backhanded manner before returning to justifications of her actions.

"I do take responsibility -- but this was a systemic failure," Rice told CNN's Zain Verjee during an exit interview on Wednesday.

Verjee had begun pressing Rice with a question about whether she had ignored warnings of the forthcoming al Qaeda attack.

"This is simply not true," Rice replied, saying that there had been only "a single item that said bin Ladin determined to attack – not when, where, how."

Read more: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Rice_takes_responsibility_for_911_failures_1218.html
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:39 PM
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1. Sibel Edmonds may disagree with what Ms. Rice has to say...
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 09:40 PM by 4MoronicYears
http://www.justacitizen.org/


"...we fear that the designation of information as classified in some cases serves to protect the executive branch against embarrassing revelations and full accountability... Releasing declassified versions of these reports, or at least portions or summaries, would serve the public’s interest, increase transparency, promote effectiveness and efficiency at the FBI, and facilitate Congressional oversight." U.S. Senators Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Charles Grassley (R-IA) in a Letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:43 PM
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2. Condi: 'Without address of their hideout there's nothing you could expect me to do.'
'And since we weren't furnished the actual flight numbers on 9/11 it wasn't our fault.'
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:43 PM
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3. Let's evaluate this brazen lie of Condi's.
The memo was a dire warning that Osama bin Laden was determined to strike within the United States and that he would hijack airplanes. Every Bush high level executive from John Ashcroft had been put on high alert and to avoid public airplanes after July 2001.


Who: Osama bin Laden
Where: Within the U.S.A.
What: Terrorist Attack
How: Hijacked Airplanes
When: After July 2001.

That's who, where, what, how and when.

She let it happen.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:13 AM
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32. Sort like the information FDR had
The Japanese will attack american interests in the Pacific sometime after Nov 1941.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:44 PM
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4. "Inside the US" doesn't qualify as a friggin' 'where'???
I guess if al-Qaeda isn't going to do Shrub's homework for him, he can't be expected to bother.:eyes:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:46 PM
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5. Do you know how many Mohammed Attas there are?
We can't watch all of them! We didn't have his middle initial or anything.

So, Dr. Rice, declassify everything and let the American people decide whether there was something you could have done?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:47 PM
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6. Detestable, despiccable woman... just go away...
We'll come calling to prosecute you, when WE are ready....:mad:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:48 PM
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7. I cannot believe after all that has happened that twit still defends prez shit-for-brains.
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bottomtheweaver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:51 PM
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8. Good, let her lame 911 defense be her "legacy."
Half the country knows the score and we know Rice is collaborating in an extremely serious and vicious crime.
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DallasNE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:04 PM
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9. "Inside The US" Is Not A Where?
And "hijacking an airliner" is not a how?

Granted, there was no "when" but it could be assumed to be as soon as the capability existed. Then there were the constant Richard Clarke warnings and requests for an urgent meeting to discuss. This wasn't a "systemic" failure but a failure of leadership. A failure to act on the known intelligence. Rice needs to answer why the dire warning from the Phoenix and Minneapolis FBI offices were not allowed to filter up the chain of command. Somebody is responsible for this. Apparently there wasn't enough time to shop for shoes and be an effective National Security Advisor so the shoes came first.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 02:40 AM
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23. Well said, well said indeed.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:13 PM
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10. RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/08/rice.transcript/

RICE: I remember very well that the president was aware that there were issues inside the United States. He talked to people about this. But I don't remember the al Qaeda cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about.

BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?

RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

Now, the...

BEN-VENISTE: Thank you.


these stooges need to quit trying to re-write the facts with their fiction
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:34 PM
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11. Richard Clarke sent Email warnings to Condi in 2001---here are a few
“Bin Ladin Attacks May Be Imminent” (June 23)
“Bin Ladin and Associates Making Near-Term Threats” (June 25)
“Bin Ladin Planning High-Profile Attacks” (June 30)
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 10:27 AM
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36. Paul O'Neil who perished in the 9/11 event was hot on trail
of terrorists actions.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 10:31 AM
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37. John O'Neil
Paul O'Neill = Treasury Secretary
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 10:37 AM
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38. oops thanks for the correction.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:36 PM
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12. Google "Complete 9/11 Timeline" then click on "key Warnings"
We got dozens of warnings from over a dozen nations, as well as several domestic agencies.

Here is a fun one


August 23, 2001: Mossad Reportedly Gives CIA List of Terrorists Living in US;

at Least Four 9/11 Hijackers Named According to German newspapers, the Mossad gives the CIA a list of 19 terrorists living in the US and say that they appear to be planning to carry out an attack in the near future. It is unknown if these are the 19 9/11 hijackers or if the number is a coincidence. However, four names on the list are known, and these four will be 9/11 hijackers: Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar, Marwan Alshehhi, and Mohamed Atta. The Mossad appears to have learned about this through its “art student spy ring.” Yet apparently, this warning and list are not treated as particularly urgent by the CIA and the information is not passed on to the FBI. It is unclear whether this warning influenced the decision to add Alhazmi and Almihdhar to a terrorism watch list on this same day, and if so, why only those two. Israel has denied that there were any Mossad agents in the US.



We got names of several of the hijackers from various sources. We also got warnings it would be in New York, and/or that planes would be involved. We just didn't do enough to stop it.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:14 PM
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17. But yet none on the
Flight lists. Amazing. It's the blame game and they hope no one gets stuck with it. They just keep pointing fingers. All the warnings in the world couldn't stop Bush/Cheney from attacking us on 9/11.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 01:21 AM
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22. Not true.
www.911myths.com/html/the_passengers.html
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:36 PM
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13. Secret intel. and they all just did absolutely nothing about it.


They could have sent out bulletins to all agencies.
They could have increased security in general.

They could have done all sorts of things... including increasing the Defcon. level.

But nope... they needed specifics.



Does not make sense.
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:15 PM
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18. Clinton got warned of Millenium threats. Upped the alertness. Foiled the plots.
"U.S. border guards in Port Angeles, on Washington's Olympic Peninsula, arrested Ressam, an Algerian national, as he drove a rented car packed with explosives off a ferry from British Columbia in December 1999. The ensuing scare prompted Seattle officials to cancel some millennium celebrations at the Space Needle, though investigators determined Ressam's target was a terminal at LAX, busy with holiday travel"

http://news.aol.com/article/millennium-bomber-faces-stiffer-sentence/266242
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:45 PM
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14. Bush Knew.... LIHOP... there is no doubt...
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:05 PM
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15. Absolutely
All the warnings mean nothing. They knew it was going to happen because they did it. I sure wish "Fitzpatrick" LOL! would investigate 9/11 like he did the Gov. EVERYTHING Bush/Cheney got they got from 9/11. Somebody should ask Condi about her and Dick Cheney's relation to PNAC. It's so easy it's unbelievable. All the video's, all the witnesses and yet their cock and bullshit story is the one everyone repeats. NORAD missed 4 planes in one day and there's never been any reconstruction of any of the planes. 9/11 defies logic.
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Shardik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:09 PM
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16. To be fair to Condi...
She didn't have seat numbers.

:sarcasm:
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miyazaki Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:51 PM
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19. in her position, how could she live with herself after 9/11...
she should have done the honorable thing and fell on her sword that day.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:06 AM
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20. I am so tired of their crap and the crap they are still putting out
This new law where health care workers can deny anyone service sucks - they are just evil.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:18 AM
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21. It's no wonder there's no significant other in Rice's life
What kind of guy would want to bed down with the Devil's accomplice? Mega-Skank
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 02:50 AM
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24. In fairness, the Munich Olympics was the canary in the coal mine. All our Presidents
failed us. Partisan arguments about whether 911 can be hung Clinton or Bush 43 misses the point and shortchanges us in matters of our physical safety. Terrorism against the West began in Carter's time and escalated during the time of Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton and Bush 43 and ALL of them failed us in this regard. Security should have been getting tighter and tighter all those years. If it had, 911 could not have happened as it happened. Maybe they would have found another way to kill us, but we would not have made it that easy for them.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 04:07 AM
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25. Wow. They still lie with breathtaking shamelessness. The multiple foreign intel warnings are FACT.
But what chance does fact have against the Greatest Propaganda Machine in Human History, the Bushie-Loyal Sub-Media and the M$M that floats lazily in it's wake whereevr it decides to go?

What chance does the truth have against that? Ask the 1930s Germans.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:43 AM
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26. And still no one presses her about the JULY 10th meeting of Rice Tenet and Black
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:51 AM
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27. Inside the US? Check. Hijacking an airliner? Check.
One way tickets with Halal diets--hey, you ignorant excuse for a diplomat--THIS time, I would have forgiven you for at least looking into that one.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:57 AM
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28. Didn't Condescenda call Willie Brown Sept. 10, telling him not to fly?
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 08:55 AM
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29. Who could have ever imagined this would be her story?
:shrug:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:03 AM
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30. too late condi, it's already set in stone
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happylib Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:04 AM
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31. anyone with hair like that should not be trusted
on anything they ever said. What is this person a unic? No mate male or female no kids. Heartless bitch she is
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:52 AM
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33. Once again . . . er . . . ah . . . NO.
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&before_9/11=warnings

Good thing you can be a serial liar in this country and still be able to get a PhD.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 10:07 AM
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34. Let's imagine what she said is true
You know bin Ladin determined to attack! Wouldn't you say have some type of effort to learn the when, where, how? In this case the presidents massive effort to know would only require reading the briefings he was getting. Amazing.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 10:22 AM
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35. Bin Laden determined to strike inside the US
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 10:24 AM by alyce douglas
is not a warning? what a stupid woman. and massive reports from professionals saying that their was alot of movement of foreigners taking plane instructions. Unbelieveable can they all be arrested please.
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 10:57 AM
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39. I have yet to figure out what she means when she says ...
... she "takes responsibility". Wouldn't that usually involve some sort of CONSEQUENCES? It sure doesn't look like she's going to jail, paying fines, resigning any power, etc.
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