BAPTIST PRESS: Yay! The selection of Warren proves we were right about them gays.

[Bluebear]

..."I'm encouraged that President-elect Obama would select Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at his inauguration," Land told Baptist Press. "First, it is a signal that President-elect Obama is going to employ a big-tent philosophy in his administration's approach to people who may disagree with them on some issues, but not others. His selection of Rick Warren indicates that people who disagree with the president-elect on sanctity of life issues are not automatically persona non grata at the White House in an Obama administration. It also indicates that the president-elect is not buying the radical homosexual activists' argument that anyone who opposes them on the gay marriage issue should be ostracized as a bigot."

On Dec. 4 Warren responded to the overheated rhetoric about his support for Prop. 8 by telling Wall Street Journal columnist Steven Waldman that, both historically and by God's design, marriage is between a man and a woman.

"God, who always acts out of love and does what is best for us, thought up sex. Sex was God's idea, not ours," Warren told Waldman in an interview posted on Beliefnet.com. "Like fire, and many other things God gave us, sex can be used for good, or abused in ways that harm. The Designer of sex has clearly and repeatedly said that he created sex exclusively for husbands and wives in marriage.

"Whenever God's parameters are violated, it causes broken hearts, broken families, emotional hurt and shame, painful memories, and many other destructive consequences," Warren added. "There would be no STDs in our world if we all played by the rules."

Government should neither interfere in people's lives nor attempt to redefine the divinely created institution of marriage, Warren said.

"If anyone, whether unfaithful spouses, or unmarried couples, or homosexuals or anyone else think they are smarter than God and chooses to disobey God's sexual instructions, it is not the U.S. government's role to take away their choice," Warren told Waldman. "But neither is it the government's role to classify just any 'loving' relationship as a marriage. A committed boyfriend-girlfriend relationship is not a marriage. Two lovers living together is not a marriage. Incest is not marriage. A domestic partnership or even a civil union is still not marriage."

Warren also told Waldman he supported Proposition 8 because of his concern that without such a measure, any pastor who said "he didn't think homosexuality was the most natural way for relationships" would be accused of hate speech.

[ronnykmarshall]

1. Oh get over it.

Move on.

You will NOT spoil this for the rest of us!

It's just a prayer!

PUMA!!!

Hillary worked with Santorum!!

QUICK BASHING OBAMA!!!

This just a STRAW MAN!

Did I miss anything?

[Bluebear]

2. Lighten up, you're a panic-driven emotional gay...

[TechBear_Seattle]

3. You missed "It's only two minutes, sheesh!" and "This means nothing at all." n/t

[terrya]

8. "This was a BRILLIANT political move"!

One more.

[MountainLaurel]

9. Stop bashing Christians!

:eyes:

[EFerrari]

15. He's not making policy! It's not a cabinet appointment!

[Mari333]

4. heh. backfired. Now evangelicals are hoping

that Obama will be born again like they are. I have been reading the evangelical message boards all morning. They either say "Rick Warren is a traitor!" or "we must change Obama and bring him around to accept Jesus and pass laws to keep the homosexuals from having power and stop women from killing their babies"
basically, its a clusterf*ck of maximum proportions.
and its FEEDING the homophobic bigots, thats all its doing, this choice of Warren.
Now the homophobes are delighted that Obama AGREES WITH THEM about hating the gay community.

[WillParkinson]

7. Which is what I said yesterday...

You give him a stage and it makes it look like you agree with him even if you say you do not.

[Mari333]

10. yep! n/t

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

5. Name the evangelical:

"I believe that God created one man and one woman. He gave sex to us, God did, and sex is to be enjoyed and is to be used within the bounds that God created.... In sexual behavior outside the parameters that God created, we're at high risk, and we're seeing the evidence of this with HIV/AIDS. We're outside of these parameters, and we have a huge global problem now."

Rick Warren? Actually, it's Franklin Graham, the arch-conservative evangelical preacher Bush had at his inauguration at 2001. Have trouble telling the difference?

[Mugweed]

11. Couldn't care which one it is.

They're all idiots for basing their lives on fairy tales and primitive superstitions. I so tired of our politicians having to include religion in everything.

[MineralMan]

6. That's it! End all tax breaks for religious organizations.

Tax the crap out of them. Treat 'em like the businesses that they are. Don't discriminate against them...let them pay their taxes.

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. By Warren's God's standards, remarriage after divorce is not a marriage either

and yet somehow I don't see him campaigning to make remarriage while your ex-spouse is still alive illegal. Because he knows he'd lose too many of his tithing supporters if he did.

It's a combination of money and bigotry, when it comes down to it.

[Deep13]

14. That's true.

He's a con artist who frightens people into supporting him.

[Deep13]

13. Irrational beliefs make people do bad things.

For the sake of argument, I am assuming Warren really believes what he is saying. My own view is that he is actually a con artist who looks in the mirror every morning and asks himself how he can rip people off.

The thing is, if Warren were factually right about God's design and so forth, everything else he says is a logical result of it. If reproduction and sexuality are under god's direct control, then contraceptives, abortion and homosexuality all oppose divine will. Of course, the religious point of view is that what is right and what god wants are the same thing. The problem is not that he is reaching the wrong conclusions. The problem is that his whole thought process begins with false assumptions about the nature of human sexuality.

It is a plain and scientifically indisputable fact that sexuality was not designed by god or anyone else for that matter. If it was, there would not be so many young women in the cemeteries of the world. Sexuality is the present result of a long, slow, undirected and unplanned process of evolution. It does not exist for any purpose, but has survived because species that share DNA with each other have a survival advantage over those that do not. (Actually, I don't see how a species that does not share DNA can even be a species in the normal sense of the world.) Regardless of what spin liberal believers put on evolution, the basic fact is that it is a blind, unthinking, uncaring process with no ability to plan ahead or to work toward any end result. This undeniable fact means that the "world view" of Warren's flock (ba-a-ah!) is simply wrong. And this does not even touch on the immorality of imposing ones religious views on others.

[QC]

16. As I said elsewhere, this is just cynical triangulation. Some of us recognized it

the first time, back during the McClurkin fiasco.

[noiretextatique]

17. BINGO

that's exactly what this is and it's totally disgusting. thanks, obama :puke:

[QC]

18. Oh well, I guess you and I are just too dimwitted to see the brilliance of it all. n/t

[noiretextatique]

19. this is obama's sistah souljah moment...well, the second one

nothing more. clinton's ridiculous admonishment of sistah souljah was not brilliant either...it was just as cynical and calculated at this move.

[QC]

20. Have you noticed that all Obama's Sister Souljah's are queer?

Interesting coincidence.

[Mari333]

21. kick

[Skittles]

22. LET'S KICK SOME BAPTIST ASS, P.T.!!!

yes INDEED