BREAKING: Prop. 8 sponsors seek to nullify 18,000 gay marriages

[Bluebear]

The sponsors of Proposition 8 asked the California Supreme Court on Friday to nullify the marriages of the estimated 18,000 same-sex couples who exchanged vows before voters approved the ballot initiative that outlawed gay unions.

The Yes on 8 campaign filed a brief arguing that because the new law holds that only marriages between a man and a woman are recognized or valid in California, the state can no longer recognize the existing same-sex unions.

"Proposition 8's brevity is matched by its clarity. There are no conditional clauses, exceptions, exemptions or exclusions," reads the brief co-written by Pepperdine University law school dean Kenneth Starr, the former independent counsel who investigated President Bill Clinton.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/19/state/n150241S64.DTL

[BootinUp]

1. how about a *graphic pic* warning, huh?

[Yes We Did]

2. You knew that was only a matter of time. n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

3. and I recall a responce to me the other day

"Your marriage is not in danger and you know it!".

[Mari333]

24. !! in what context would anyone even be able to say that?? n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

25. It was in a thread yesterday.

I don't want to call anyone out ... but I hope that person reads this and can justify that statement.

[Neshanic]

4. Hi. Pastor Warren here, thank you, thank you, and may Jesus make you see things my way.

[Bluebear]

5. He works in Mysterious ways, you know. nt

[Neshanic]

15. With friends in high places. Both celestial and earthly. Praise Warren.

[Mari333]

6. but but but but

Obama is just trying to reach out...to include people who wear white sheets, want to stone homosexuals, want women to be barefoot and pregnant, want to save jews from going to hell...he just wants them to understand that we all love what they do and we should all sing Kumbaya and hold hands with them and maybe,if we do that, they will vote for him in 2012...
dont you get it??? dont you get it??? stop complaining and just wait and see...someday if you are a good little gay person and stop all this ranting and raving, we straight people might let you get married.I said 'might'. we have to check with our good friends, like Rick Warren , first..we dont want to rock the boat or anything....
sarcasm off.

[Bluebear]

8. You said it.

[mondo joe]

14. Caption: "You sure tricked those fags again." NT

[MountainLaurel]

22. Dear Gawd

:puke:

[jonnyblitz]

42. it makes me think of the Lieberman/Bush smoooch pictures

for some reason. :hi:

[Neshanic]

9. Watch it, the locks are flying around.

[MountainLaurel]

7. Surprise, surprise, surprise

Or then again, perhaps not.

[Neshanic]

11. True, he's got the job, and now it's home free from here.

[The Magistrate]

10. These Reptiles Are Over-Playing their Hand, Sir

This will back-fire, with the public and with the Court.

[Neshanic]

13. What locking business slow?

[SidDithers]

18. We can only hope...nt

Sid

[Bluebear]

20. The Court, I hope. The public, who knows anymore?

But from your lips to the universe's ears :toast:

[terrya]

12. FUCKERS

I hate these goddamned bigots.

There are so many of our friends, of family, who will be affected by this.

And, to be honest, I'm really, really pissed at the people around here who don't understand how pissed we are.

[BrklynLiberal]

16. Doesn't this violate the Prohibition against ex post facto laws?

An ex post facto law (from the Latin for "after the fact") or retroactive law, is a law that retroactively changes the legal consequences of acts committed or the legal status of facts and relationships that existed prior to the enactment of the law

[Bluebear]

19. Must be different if they think Jesus is crying over it.

:shrug:

[unblock]

37. no

nothing's being criminalized, and no one's saying they're now liable for something that was once legal.

taking away civil rights is a horrible thing for any government to do, but it's not an "ex post facto" act to do so.


now, if you took a tax break on the grounds they were married, and then a law decided that not only aren't you married but also you never were married and therefore are liable for the higher, single taxes, THAT would be ex post facto. but simply denying you the tax break going forward isn't ex post facto.

[BrklynLiberal]

51. But I thought they were trying to nullify marriages that had already taken place..

[unblock]

52. revoking a legal status in and of itself isn't enough.

[Lars39]

17. I cannot, for the life of me, imagine the government deciding to erase

my marriage without my permission. Absolutely despicable and horrifying.

[kevinbgoode]

28. Well, these are the same fundies who tried to get the government

to erase the Schiavo marriage without permission of the spouses, remember?

And if that wasn't enough of a wake-up call to Americans of their true intentions, the country deserves to watch these dominionists take apart our rights.

[Lars39]

31. Don't know how I could have forgotten that.

Horrible to contemplate those happy faces from the wedding ceremonies being dragged thru this muck.:(

[glitch]

21. So much for "legitimizing radicals defangs them" malarky. nt

[Neshanic]

27. If I TALK to the shark, just maybe I can get him to see it my way.

[glitch]

36. For some reason this reminded me of Bush ridiculing Karla Faye's plea to not be executed.

They view talk as weakness, the only thing that matters is power.

[Bluebear]

29. We MUST reach out and honor "differing ideas", though.

This is the result.

[Neshanic]

30. You try to tell them. You plead with them....to no avail.

[kevinbgoode]

33. yes...and let the gay band entertain like a minstrel show for the

heterosupremacists - and tell the world "see. . .we included everybody."

[kevinbgoode]

23. By falling for the fundie fear-and-smear lie routine,

the people of California have now made all of their own marriages nothing but a joke.

[Mari333]

26. good point n/t

[4 t 4]

38. Someone here made a really good point today

what about interracial marriages, there was a time when they were illegal and then there was a time when they were not recognized, just a short while back. I suppose that there are states/towns that this might still may be true ??? Instead of making the people and a good percent of the people protest, demonstrate, fight and feel inferior let's just cut to the chase and give the majority of the people what they want. It really is just a matter of time, right? I hope so. How about we have a nation wide vote and put it to an end. I would think and hope the majority of this country is in favor of it.

[aquart]

32. Ah, Entrapment Kenny.

See what happens when you don't put bad boys in jail? At the least he should have been disbarred for collusion. But no, he's baaaaack!

[scorpiogirl]

34. Well, this certainly adds another level of something

to the choice of Warren. What a bunch of fucking assholes!

I hope that made sense. I've had an absolutely hellish 24 hours.

[Bluebear]

35. It made sense.

I'm sorry for your 24 hours :hug:

[scorpiogirl]

54. Oh good!

My 7 year old daughter chipped both of her top center permanent teeth night before last. She fell in the shower. One of them has a decent sized chunk missing. I had a pretty good melt down after that. Top it off with the having flu including laryngitis. Then I found out that my daughter's teacher has been allowing her to sit in class for the past four weeks and do virtually no work because she wants her to 'choose' to do it on her own. My daughter has trouble concentrating in school so it's not a new issue for us, but her teacher's attitude is complete indifference. When school's back in, we'll be having a very serious talk with our principal.

Thanks Bluebear :hug: I'm feeling much better today. So far, there's no indication for a root canal (which I cannot afford but won't go into) and my dentist promised me he could make her teeth look as they did before. It's hard to think you're child's begin life with such dental problems. Of course my child is very active so I knew we might be dealing with something like this at some point. I blame myself even though it's pointless to do so. Oh, and my husband has no job starting January 1st. Gosh, I'm tired. LOL!

[Divine Discontent]

39. that inhuman slime!

thanks for the terrifying pic, btw! This ingrate must be stopped - Obama has the power to take care of all of this.

[AntiFascist]

40. This just got personal...

as if I wasn't pissed off enough already.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

41. Assholes.

[Solly Mack]

43. K&R

[Maven]

44. Well no shit. Let's give these people a platform! YAY FUCKING CHANGE!

:argh:

[Neshanic]

45. Here is your chair on the stage Pastor, the nation is ALL YOURS.

[gollygee]

46. Not surprising

but sad. People are just plain mean.

[cascadiance]

47. For Christians, they sure like to cast a lot of stones at others!

Do they "hath no sins"?

Why do they hate people that have done nothing to them? Is that what Jesus preached to them?

I wonder if they'd turn the other cheek? What?! They say I'm accusing them of "foul behavior"? Turning the other cheek? :)

Jesus must be crying up there with pharisees like these driving people away from the church these days...

[MineralMan]

49. They're not Christians.

They think they are, but they aren't. Nobody who hates others is a Christian. Jesus said so, and quite clearly.

Now, I don't believe in any of that sky daddy stuff, but they do. Let them ponder their meeting with Jesus well.

[Dennis Donovan]

48. Recommended - where'd you get that pic of Falwell with a beard?

;)

[Bluebear]

50. As someone said, thank goodness Falwell is dead

or it might be him up there a-prayin'!

[Bluebear]

53. good morning