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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:36 PM
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How Obama could deal with the Warren thing (not by throwing Warren under the bus.)
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 10:31 PM by backscatter712
OK, this might be unpopular, so brace yourselves.

/me dons his asbestos long-johns.

What was Obama thinking when he picked Rick Warren? He was thinking that he needed to do something to draw all Americans, not just the left. So he picked what he thought would be perceived as a center-right preacher, Rick Warren, to deliver the benediction for his inauguration.

Except that Rick Warren's a lot more right than center. I forget who it was that said on Olbermann yesterday that Rick Warren was Jerry Falwell wearing a Hawaiian shirt. The things that Warren said about members of the GLBT community were just flat out hateful. And after Prop. 8 passed, the LGBT community was in a hostile mood, and rightfully so. Oops. Obama's attempt to reach across the aisle backfired.

So what should Obama do? Throw him under the bus by condemning his stance on homosexuality and replacing him with some other preacher? That would work. It's easy, it throws red meat at the base, but it's ultimately counterproductive. America's spent the last eight years split into angry armed camps flinging poo at each other, and Obama ran on the premise that we can quit flinging poo, talk about our differences like civilized people, come to a mutually agreeable solution and then stand together as Americans. There is no red America, or blue America, there is the United States of America, remember?

That's why Obama's not throwing Warren under the bus. If we're to get past bigotry, we do have to reach out and persuade evangelical Christians that discrimination and hatred of the LGBT community is wrong. We're not going to persuade them if we just dig into our foxholes and fling poo at them. We have to share a table with them.

Remember Obama's race speech?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/18/obama-race-speech-read-th_n_92077.html


This was one of the tasks we set forth at the beginning of this campaign - to continue the long march of those who came before us, a march for a more just, more equal, more free, more caring and more prosperous America. I chose to run for the presidency at this moment in history because I believe deeply that we cannot solve the challenges of our time unless we solve them together - unless we perfect our union by understanding that we may have different stories, but we hold common hopes; that we may not look the same and we may not have come from the same place, but we all want to move in the same direction - towards a better future for of children and our grandchildren.

...


Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not. I suppose the politically safe thing would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork. We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias.

But race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore right now. We would be making the same mistake that Reverend Wright made in his offending sermons about America - to simplify and stereotype and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality.

The fact is that the comments that have been made and the issues that have surfaced over the last few weeks reflect the complexities of race in this country that we've never really worked through - a part of our union that we have yet to perfect. And if we walk away now, if we simply retreat into our respective corners, we will never be able to come together and solve challenges like health care, or education, or the need to find good jobs for every American.


That's where Obama's coming from. We have a choice. We can throw Rick Warren under the bus, go back into our armed camps and keep doing the same old shit. Or we can reach out to Rick Warren and like-minded evangelicals. We can condemn Warren's statements about gay and lesbian members of our nation, but at the same time, sit down with them, talk with them, and maybe even change their minds. And then we can come together and find some common ground and work together to do things like fix the environment, attack poverty head-on, and stand as Americans.

You want my bet on what's going to happen? Get ready for Obama's inauguration speech. I'll bet he hits one out of the park!
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:38 PM
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1. judging from what I've read here lately, he's pretty mainstream. nt.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:40 PM
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2. The other camp will never quit attacking us
but, hey, you take that white flag over to them and see what happens.

The right never compromises. They think "compromise" means that it's time for them to take a little more.

Put it another way: Does the phrase "peace in our time" mean anything to you?
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:41 PM
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3. I think that was the plan all along
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:43 PM
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4. backfired.
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:44 PM
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5. I think you're right.
Kudos
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:48 PM
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6. The rabid right is largely a product of grifters with PR machines like this jerk.
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 09:48 PM by sfexpat2000
They will not embrace Obama. it's not in the better interest of their manipulators to let that happen. Obama will not get what he wants from these people although he may get real campaign money from people like Warren.

This has nothing to do with "reaching out" to anyone just as Obama's speech is not his spontaneous thoughts spoken out loud accidentally to television cameras while we happened to be watching. This is theater.

Bad gays, good Obama, generous Warren. It's a new (old, triangulating) day.

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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:54 PM
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7. I think what he should do
is finish the ceremony, go back to the Oval, and get rid of DADT. Then publicly commit to overturn the DOMA as well.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:57 PM
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8. There was no reason for Obama to ask Warren in the first place, except:
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 09:57 PM by Hannah Bell
.... his funders want Warren to speak.

You might ask why.

It has nothing to do with compromise, or reaching out.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:39 PM
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14. And who are Obama's funders?
Oh, yeah... WE are! All those little donations over the election season added up to three quarters of a billion dollars, and most of that was from small donors. The "funders" you speak of were all donating to McCain & Palin instead.

Personally, I think this is all Obama's doing, except even Obama's plans backfire occasionally.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:59 PM
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9. I won't be listening to his inauguration speech
Sorry, the inauguration is out of bounds for me. I don't consort with dominionists.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:59 PM
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10. A More Perfect Union
Gays are gonna get their due (overdue) rights, sooner rather than later. If we can convince the
citizens now that it's the right and moral thing to do by getting them close enough to talk without
having to shout, then sooner and More Perfect will be part and parcel of of the final jump.

Have been going back and forth on all this, but Obama is a pro and you can see that his desires
are true, so I am gonna support him until it has been shown that he is screwing up and not doing
the More Perfect Union thing.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 10:00 PM
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11. Did Rick "reach out" to us when he was CLEARLY *for* Mc5PLANEs?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 10:02 PM
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13. p.s., (what I started to say first), OBAMA could have avoided by NOT naming the dude for STARTERS.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 10:01 PM
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12. I have no problem with Obama *talking* to anyone..
The Imperial Wizard of the KKK, Ahmedinejad, Rick Warren or Kim Jung Il.

I have a problem with Obama putting any of those up to bless his inauguration.

You are comparing apples to coconuts.

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