OMG Is this our Watergate??

[Laura PourMeADrink]

Just heard Schuster on Hardball - Last email Miers talking
about whether or not the Rpresident needed to sign off on
attorney firings.,,,,and then a gap in time.....

Just like Watergate..gap in the Rosemary tapes.....

[H2O Man]

1. I look into the

president's eyes, and I see Richard Nixon's soul.

[Monkeyman]

2. Bush has no soul

[Gman]

3. Don't insult Nixxon

Nixxon was cold, cunning, ruthless and highly intelligent.

At least Nixxon talked to the protestors to find out why they felt the way they did.

[Nickster]

6. Isn't that the saddest thing. I never thought I'd hear and agree with people saying

how much better Nixon was than Dubya. Never in a million years.

[Catshrink]

57. "I never thought I'd miss Nixon."

That's a bumper sticker one my colleagues brought me. Indeed.

[bananarepublican]

60. Don't forget that Nixon attended Clint Murchison's party on the evening of 11/21/63!

His story changed several times in relation to his wherabouts when JFK got hit.

[Sapphocrat]

63. Hey, that's mine! LOL

But, back to the OP: LPYB, just out of curiosity, may I ask your age? I was a kid during Watergate myself, but was inundated with every detail thanks to a civics teacher addicted to the story as it unfolded -- so I can say this with complete confidence: This is, indeed, our Watergate. (That is, if the Dems don't fuck it up; I hope as I've never hoped in six years that John Conyers has been possessed by the ghost of Sam Ervin.)

Without getting too ooo-eeee-oooo-eerie about it, the events of the past few months have been weird enough to make me wonder if there isn't a force greater than myself (maybe just the ghost of George Satayana - LOL) trying to bash something important into our thick skulls; e.g., Liddy/Libby ... 18-1/2-minute gap in the tapes / 18-day gap in the papers... Nixon's first Watergate speech / *'s speech yesterday...

Yes, this is our Watergate. As tough as life has been for me personally lately, today I took everything in, and shouted (yes, to another person): "Finally -- finally! -- this is a good time to be alive!"

[Gman]

66. It just blows my mind to even think this

I really and sincerely thought the country had seen the worst possible with Nixxon.

[H2O Man]

69. If anyone

had told me in 1972 that there would be a president who would make Nixon seem almost decent in comparison, I would have thought they were either lying, stupid, or crazy.

[Gman]

78. I actually had a fistfight with my dad over my "Impeach Nixon" bumper sticker in '73.

I think that even Hunter S. Thompson, who loathed Nixon more than anyone I can know of, thought Nixon would be much better than Bush.

[WCGreen]

7. He also was the president who signed into law...

The EPA Act, the Earned Income Tax Credit, the Original ATM...

Bush, on the other hand, has nothing, not one thing positive to point to as an accomplishment...

[phillysuse]

17. Nixon is also the Father of

1. Title IX openning up athletic opportunity to women at the high school and college level
2. The Renal Dialysis Act of 1973 allowing anyone with kidney failure to live by having Medicare pay for dialysis.
and
3. Openning the door to China.

[bunkerbuster1]

71. Nixon got a lot more people killed than Bush even dreams of...

Let's not prettify history. No question Nixon was, intellectually, an order of magnitude more brilliant than the Dim Son, and in some ways he had a streak of decency and conscience (yes, I am still moved when I think about him actually going outside and meeting with war protesters.)

But he was responsible for the slaughter of people in our name on a scale not seen since, and I hope to God we'll never ever see again.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

72. You may want to re-examine the goodness of that last one.

Of course, as they say, hindsight is 20/20.

[Kelly Rupert]

76. It would have been hard to see that one coming.

Nixon's opening of China was incredibly progressive. Imagine Bush going down to Cuba, posing with Castro, and announcing that we'd open our ports to Cuban trade again. Then multiply it by 10,000, because it was the Cold War and China was actually hostile.

You can't blame Nixon for Wal-Mart. I doubt anyone saw that coming.

[cosmicdot]

73. Rep. Patsy Mink, a Democrat, is credited for writing Title IX

Nixon might have fathered 2 daughters, but I don't think he fathered many progressive, people-oriented causes. imho ... he was more into his own glory ...

from wiki:

Title IX, is a 37-word law enacted on June 23, 1972 that states: "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."

Congresswoman Patsy T. Mink, wrote the law as an outgrowth of adversities she faced in obtaining her college degrees at the University of Hawaiʻi, University of Nebraska and University of Chicago.

The law was renamed as the Patsy T. Mink Equal Opportunity in Education Act on October 29, 2002, upon the death of the law's author, Congresswoman Patsy T. Mink, although she was also assisted in writing this by Edith Green (a Democratic congresswoman from Oregon).

Looks like the Carter Administration strengthened Title IX.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_IX

[beyurslf]

21. Ah now wait. He's been president for 6years. He has done some positive things, like....

Hmmmmm. I guess you are right. The worthless SOB hasn't done a damn good thing.

[iwillalwayswonderwhy]

31. I liked the "Do Not Call" registry

that's about it.

[Turn CO Blue]

36. You beat me to it! Sorry I copied you downthread...

[iwillalwayswonderwhy]

37. No biggie

Our great minds even thought it in the same way.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

24. You are SO right. That is why I always say that the worst job

or toughest job in America would be the curator
of the Bush Liberry.

[Turn CO Blue]

35. Come on! The one positive thing is the "no call list". But that's it.

There is nothing else.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

41. somebody said something about some Hawaiian land preservation.

although, I am sure you could probably trace that
back to a handful of rich friends who bought
mansions nearby....

[Turn CO Blue]

49. Vegas wouldn't give odds on any of their actions being unselfish.

[bunkerbuster1]

70. Ok, there was the off-road diesel regulation

Give him that. I don't think it was anything but a sop to Christie Whitman, but it was one genuinely decent thing he's done.

Beyond that, can't really think of a thing.

[ToeBot]

58. I'm quite comfortable insulting Nixon -

"Even with the Vietnam War, his was the most progressive presidency in the last 40 years." Ha, take that Nixon!

[Morgana LaFey]

74. Amen. I told a friend the other night -- first, we knew we were in

trouble because we began to be nostalgic for Reagan. And THEN we knew we were in trouble because we began to be nostalgic for NIXON.

NOW, GOd forbid, we've reached a new nadir: we're nostalgic for ASHCROFT!

[Atman]

4. Look closely into his eyes...closely...ten or fifteen seconds should do it...

.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

61. Who is this Tricky Chimp - and who is the Greek fellow standing next to him?

Any ideas?

[Swamp Rat]

9. Just don't look into his nose.

:D

[brer cat]

16. Swamp Rat! You need to have permanent

warnings posted before your posts. I have had more wine and coffee up my nose because of you than anyone else!

[CrazyOrangeCat]

52. his poxed, acid-green complexioned bozos . . .

. . . have got me more than once!

[NewJeffCT]

10. Imagine what Nixon could have gotten away with...

If he had as compliant a media and Congress as Bush has had until the past few months..

If I'm not mistaken, the Dems controlled the House for the entire length of Nixon's term in office, if not both the House & Senate. A lot of this shit would never have happened if Team Bush had had a modicum of oversight.

[Arugula Latte]

56. Bush has soulless, dead, scary eyes. Like a shark. nt

[MadMaddie]

5. 16 days of missing emails out of 3000

16 seconds missing from a tape during Watergate...

Oh yes....my friend this could very well be our Watergate. And the most amazing this is Tony Snow and the rest of the continue to lie....

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Shakespeare]

43. That's 18 days and 18 minutes. n/t

[evlbstrd]

8. This is my third one.

Watergate.
Iran/Contra.
AG Purge.

Yes, it feels just like that.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. The Gap excuse is...it was during the Thanksgiving holiday.

:rofl::rofl:

SURELY they can do better than that.:eyes:

[kath]

18. EIGHTEEN days of Thanksgiving holiday?

Nope, not even in this lazy White House.

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. I know. Pretty bad excuse. I'm sure they've been brainstorming trying to think of an excuse

and floated that one to see how it would play. Tomorrow will be a different excuse since that one SUCKED.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

44. When/where did they claim it was due to the holiday?

I was just looking for that!

[Kahuna]

12. Oh hell yeah. What every body is missing is...

the reason for discussing dismissing all of the attorneys in 2004 AFTER the election was because the administration was having a Fitgerald problem. Of course they want to make it seem that since they were discussing replacing attorneys two whole years before the 2006 election proves that it wasn't for political reasons. And how dare any of us think so. :wtf:

[Berry Cool]

13. Welcome to "Watergate II: Electric Boogaloo."

This summer will feel a lot like 1974.

[Botany]

14. All over but their packing

they are fucked .... end of story.

[natrat]

15. check this out---missing 18 days of emails :

Missing eighteen-day stretch in Justice emails recalls infamous Watergate tape gap

Josh Catone
Published: Wednesday March 21, 2007

First spotted by a commenter on the blog Talking Points Memo, Josh Marshall reports there is an 18-day gap in the over 3,000 emails released by the Department of Justice pertaining to the attorney firing scandal.

The gap covers the days between November 15 and December 4, 2006. So far, only one email has been found dated within the 18 days among those released in Monday night's document dump. The lone email, from November 29, 2006, was one forwarded by Justice official Michael Elston to a fellow staffer asking for an attached review document to be printed.

"The firing calls went out on December 7th. But the original plan was to start placing the calls on November 15th," notes Marshall. "So those eighteen days are pretty key ones."


http://rawstory.com/news/2007/18day_in_Justice_Department_emails_0321.html

[Generator]

22. Christ on a cracker

The only war you liberals support is the war on Christmas. LOOK at the dates! They clearly had Christmas shopping to do and don't want to reveal the contents of those X-MAS (as you types call it) gifts. ALSO they was busy giving thanks for being Americans! That's a holiday too you know!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

25. Yep - that sole email had to do with the Farmington River in

Connecticut. Something Bush signed/proclaimed. Hell, you know he
would know what it was, probably. However, their claim is that
Bush was in China/Far East during that period.

[sendero]

28. Somebody somewhere..

.... has some server backups that contain these emails. I hope they mail them to Conyers soon!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

53. Did they throw their hard drives away too?

[NYC]

19. I went to the Hardball site, but could find nothing about today.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/

Was it Schuster or Schumer? If it's Schuster, who is he?

Thanks in advance.

[DemReadingDU]

23. video link

Could this video be what you are referrring to?

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=591e7e4a-f01b-4d9f-aa41-36b12e9064ad&f=00&fg=email

[NYC]

55. I thank you and the other 3 people

who responded.

:hi:

[Laura PourMeADrink]

26. It was Schuster

[IndyOp]

29. Schuster is David Schuster, an MSNBC reporter. (n/t)

[Laura PourMeADrink]

33. I just looked too - it was not out there yet. But yes, it was Shuster. nt

[DemReadingDU]

45. video - Shuster also on Countdown

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=591e7e4a-f01b-4d9f-aa41-36b12e9064ad&f=00&fg=email

[fooj]

27. Yes. It certainly is.

The Bush Administration is over. Stick a fork in them. They're done. I don't know how long it will take but these war criminals have run out their luck. At least, that's my take.

[blossomstar]

34. This keeps me going.. truth will come out.

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end they always fall—think of it. Always."
— Mahatma Gandhi

[Laura PourMeADrink]

39. Absolutely love that quote - saving it. Thanks !!!! nt

[brettdale]

30. Hate to be negative

But the media will let this die, and I dont think the Democrats will stand up to Bush*t.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

38. Well, Brett, why be negative, then?

Haha.

Well, this story will stay alive unless Larry Burkhart
decides to unveil the paternity test results live
on TV.

I am so serious, this story will stay alive - unless
something truly major happens. The press is chomping
at the bit. This is a mystery. It is pay-back time.
The press were caught sleeping on Iraq. This is now
and they can get their hands around this.

[brettdale]

42. I hope it does

But thruout Bush*t's whole administration, we have had stories that should of bought him down, but never did.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

48. You know, I am almost 100% convinced that they have a

strategy to divert each week's scandal with a new one - of equal
severity.

I really think that this has happened. The press and public are
being appalled by one scandal and then, oops another takes it's
place and everyone's fortgotten.

Like the obvious ineptitude/criminality of Katrina, bugging
our phones, reading our mail, etc....

[WernhamHogg]

65. Glad to hear that!

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has had that thought!
:tinfoilhat:
:hi:

[Canuckistanian]

32. Rose Mary was a patsy

She was a competent professional. She agreed to take the fall because she was so low on the totem pole.

Google the "Rose Mary Stretch".

She died on January 22, 2005, at a nursing home in Alliance, Ohio.

[Berry Cool]

46. She came from an era when secretaries were very faithful to their bosses.

Not that most of them aren't today--they should be, so long as their bosses aren't breaking the law--but especially in that era, there were not a whole lot of secretaries willing to blow the whistle on a boss and let the chips fall where they may. They did as told.

[Canuckistanian]

51. I agree with that - to a point

But the whole nation (and world) were depending on her testimony as to whether Nixon was guilty or not.

She chose to clam up.

[WillyT]

47. Yep... Ya Gotta Wonder How Many Times They Made Her 'Explain' This ???

:shrug:

[Hepburn]

40. The email gap....and Tony Snow today saying...

...that Monkey Boy "knew nothing" about this US Atty biz. Makes me think of Rosemary Woods and that missing 18 minutes.

Watergate Redux, IMO.

[natrat]

50. Fired U.S. Attorneys led the Nation in Convictions. No Wonder the Bush Administration was Worried!

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/analysis/193

A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS

Every day, the explanations for the firings of the eight U.S. attorneys are becoming less about competence and more about corruption. Some new statistics show that the prosecutors were in fact leading the nation in output:


* Six ranked in the top third of all U.S. attorneys for prosecutions, filing a combined 106,188 last year alone

* Five ranked in the top third for convictions, achieving 98,939

* Three were among the top five in the number of immigration prosecutions (including Carol Lam, whose firing was attributed to immigration by Karl Rove)

[Initech]

54. If it's not Watergate, it's easily the biggest political fuck-up since then!

Way more so than Iran-Contra. Way more than Clinton's impeachment. This is one of the biggest political fuck-ups in history.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

67. hmm.. personally, I think lying about the invasion is the

biggest travesty ever - hopefully, one day, the truth on that will come out.

like who ordered the niger forgery....

[ComerPerro]

59. it is in the sense that once again Republicans are circling the wagons

and constantly reminding us that this is a witch hunt, and no real crimes were committed.

Hell, there are even Repigs who insist to this day that Watergate was a setup.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. I fear my daer

that indeed it is....

Ah justice moves slowly... but when it finally hits....

:popcorn:

[brettdale]

64. I wish

But Im guessing Im going to wake up tomorrow and hear the media talking about Britney and Anna.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

68. And this is why the are going to claim Executive Privilege. If Shrub was out of the loop

there was no reason why they couldn't testify. By claiming it, everyone will know he was involved.

Meanwhile, MSM are using the WH talking points, calling this political, a show trial and also a way of the Dems trying to divert the public's attention that the not all the Dems are in agreement about the war. This gets me sick to my stomach.

Meanwhile, this can be one of the biggest case of government corruption in the history of our country and America has to become aware of this. How can they when you have the media whores trying to muddy the waters?

[lovuian]

75. Plamegate FBI attorney massacre Wire tapping AbuGhahib

and its ok come in and talk to us behind closed doors and will buy drinks and snackies

[B Calm]

77. Bush is guilty of far greater crimes than Nixon!