Uh Oh! Schumer Knows Something

[Ugnmoose]

On KO tonight he dropeed the idea that Bushco better comne clean because there are disgruntled employees at DOJ and shit will come out in drips and drabs or maybe all at once. I think Chucky already has the mole in his sights.

Paging Son of Deep Throat: Are you in the house?

[MissWaverly]

1. Oh, I hope so, this is the best news I heard all day

drip, drip, drip I love the smell of leaked info in the morning.

:-)

[Kikosexy2]

71. Drip, drip, drip...

do Gonzo or the Preznut have the clap?...

[MissWaverly]

101. dunno, but I heard something amazing on the News Hour

they were talking about Gates wanting to close GITMO after he first became Secretary of
Defense and he has since changed his mind, but he NEVER discussed it with Bush just
Cheney and the Gonzo.

[Raven]

2. Predictable...imagine if

you were a DoJ employee that thought you were there to uphold the rule of law (I'm sure there are some!)...I don't know, I'd be a little pissed and tempted to talk!

[NewJeffCT]

11. I would imagine

that most people get into that field because they want to help uphold the rule of the law, the Constitution and quaint things like that. Heck, a lot of these lawyers could probably make more in private practice, and I would imagine some of those behind the scenes could as well...

[MLFerrell]

36. You're wrong about one thing.

All the lawyers that I personally know got into the field because of the pay. In the ignoble words of an acquaintance, "Fuck Justice! My six figures are good enough for me!" Incidentally, the utterer of that phrase works for a lobbying firm (I won't say which one).

Justice, from a lawyer? :rofl:

Justice?! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

The only motivation for any impending whistle-blower to do what's "right" is because they don't like the threat to their supremacy, i.e. the subversion and co-option of their field by political hacks. Justice has little if anything to do with it.

Nevertheless, the next few weeks/months should be interesting.

[kanrok]

41. As a lawyer

One who practiced for over 20 years, many of those as a prosecutor, you are not only wrong, you are dead wrong. Your post is as ignorant as it is offensive. In short, you haven't a clue.

[MLFerrell]

51. So, Mr. Prosecutor...

I suppose you were "serving the interests of justice" when you prosecuted those marijuana dealers / smokers, yes? Oh, come now, don't be coy... Surely you pursued at least ONE case of felony possession with no intent to deliver. Was that justice? Did you "strive for justice" in that case?

Just because a law has been legislated does not make it just. Sure, you may have "only done what's right", or "only done your job", but injustice is injustice. Have you ever prosecuted someone and felt distinctly uncomfortable about the whole affair? If so, why, and how did that make you feel? How did that make your VICTIM feel? If you can honestly say that never during your tenure as a prosecutor did you handle a case which was, in your estimation unjust, then you sir, (or madam) are the exception, not the rule.

Justice? Though you may have passionately strove for justice, that by no means implies that all of your colleagues do, nor does it imply that your personal conception of justice is in accordance with the broader definition of the term. That aside, it is irresponsible for me to paint U.S. attorneys with such a broad brush. I only speak what I know, and in this case, every litigist that I know is, for lack of more refined terms, a money-grubbing, morally bankrupt, utterly soulless individual.

Are U.S. Attorneys radically different? Perhaps. But I won't be holding my breath...

[kanrok]

56. Actually, I was the Chief of Narcotics in the office in which I was a prosecutor

And if you spent more than a few weeks posting here you might have known that I have had a change of heart on marijuana prosecutions. But we are straying from your initial post. You are totally ignorant of the motives individuals have for entering the legal profession. Me, and most of my friends and associates included. Your ignorance is palpable. As they say, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Funny how this analogy applies most aptly to you.

[MLFerrell]

60. "You are totally ignorant of the motives individuals have for entering the legal profession."

I calls 'em as I sees 'em... And of nearly two dozen individuals that I personally know, not a single ONE professes to have entered their profession out of a desire to administer justice.

So, you've "had a change of heart on marijuana prosecutions.", have you? I'd wager that all of the unfortunates serving time (or those who have already done their state-mandated penance) for marijuana offense would concur that justice fell by the wayside during THEIR prosecutions.

What's done is done, and that is that, and men and women do have the capacity to change over time. Do you REALLY think that's any consolation for the person whose life is a veritable hell because of your actions? Too little, too late.

While I freely admit that perhaps some practitioners of your craft may have entered into it out of a pure desire to administer justice, I REFUSE to believe that the majority of your contemporaries did so for such high-minded, altruistic reasons. I've simply seen too many counterexamples to think that this constitutes a trend in any meaningful sense.

"As they say, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Funny how this analogy applies most aptly to you." I would say that that axiom cuts both ways, but what the hell do I know?

:sarcasm:

According to you, absolutely nothing.

[kanrok]

63. Two dozen...really?

How scientific. I guess we'll just have to take your word for it.

"As they say, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Funny how this analogy applies most aptly to you." I would say that that axiom cuts both ways, but what the hell do I know?"

Apparently, very little.

Young and stupid is no excuse. Enjoy your stay.

[MLFerrell]

65. First of all, ALMOST two dozen.

Second of all, yeah I guess I kind of slighted your life's work. Sorry.

Not really, though. Your experience is every bit as anecdotal as mine. Why should yours be considered of higher worth and/or value again? Oh, right, I forgot. Because you're (presumably) OLDER THAN ME.

Appeals to authority went out with Aristotle. Don't you think that you should, like, get with the "times" or whatever?

:sarcasm:

We are ultimately on the same side. I want to see * and his gang of traitorious asshats dievsted of power as much as anyone, just don't try to convince me that the Bushites from the DOJ, or lawyers who serve in Congress, or the majority of legal professionals for that matter, are primarily concerned with "justice". Because quite simply, the record (not my personal record, but that of the public milieu) says otherwise.

We may never see eye to eye. But regardless, I'm willing to wager that you're as committed to getting the REAL U.S. of A. back from these immoral thieves as I am.

This infighting, which I (formerly) cheerfully engaged in serves nobody but the Right. And I for one refuse to fall into their trap of false dichotomy this time around. Mind you, you haven't changed my mind, but this whole "myah" is counterproductive, especially at present.

I offer you this: We shall continue this discourse at such a time when more pressing concerns are a mere vestige of the past. Agreed?

EDIT: typo

[treestar]

79. If it's the law, the prosecutor does not have an option to ignore it

The laws are made by the legislature and signed by the executive.

Those are people voted into office. If there's a law you don't like, it's your problem to get it repealed. You can't just expect the prosecutors to ignore whichever laws you don't agree with.

Scapegoating lawyers is too easy. You probably also condemn defense lawyers for defending clients accused under laws you do like.

[depakid]

90. Of course they can!

It's called prosecutorial discretion and it happens thousands of time EVERY DAY.

[The Wizard]

85. And opinions like assholes

all stink.

[alstephenson]

89. That's a very broad brush you are painting with! eom

[niyad]

55. pity that leftyliberallawyer isn't here--THAT would be VASTLY amusing!!

[hang a left]

87. Pity...yes

Death by tombstone and good riddance!!!

[depakid]

91. She probably would have taken you to school

and you wouldn't have liked it- because the women knew what she talking about.

[hang a left]

92. She was so full of it her eyes were brown.

I went toe to toe with her many a time. She put me on ignore because she's a chickenshit.

[depakid]

94. From what I could tell, she was usually right

and knew a lot more about law and procedure- as well as what goes on in Washington than any of those who argued with her. But if you want to pretend otherwise, be my guest.

[hang a left]

97. She didn't know anything you couldn't learn from google.

Lawyer my rear.

Why don't you think she is around here anymore, eh?

[depakid]

98. No idea why she was tombstoned

I reckon she probably got testy with one too many people. That's usually how it works.

People with legal backgrounds tend to recognize others with legal backgrounds- and what she said rang true.

For instance, at the time of the Shiavo trial, she posted provisions of a living will that she drew up. It was competent work and she gave competent advice about how one might go about making sure that it would be valid in their home state.

She was also one of the few people who didn't get suckered by Jason Leopold's "Rove Indictment" piece. She took a lot of heat for that from people who didn't understand how indictments are handed down.

I read her material (which was accurate) and added a few things here and there with respect to the Federal Rules of Criminal procedure. She knew what I was talking about- so I assume she is indeed an attorney (or at least is very familiar with the law).

[loudsue]

74. Thank you, kanrok! Someone paints lawyers with too wide a brush, I'd say.

There are some truly FINE lawyers in this country. Many who work, tirelessly, and without pay, often (DU's Land Shark, is one I know of) just to do the people's work.

That poster you replied to is so far off base, it's pathetic.

That said, there ARE some nasty greedy lawyers, too. They're likely 90% republicans.

But the overwhelming majority of lawyers are Dems....and most of those are pretty good folks.

:kick:

[Bake]

83. Thank you!

I became an attorney NOT because of the money (I do OK but not stratospheric by ANY means) but because I love what I do. I found the post you responded to offensive also.

Next time he/she gets arrested without probably cause, or gets f*cked over by his/her employer/bank/major corporation/et al., he/she should call a doctor, or accountant.

Bake

[kestrel91316]

43. I know an estate tax attorney at the IRS who is truly dedicated to

JUSTICE and DOING THE RIGHT THING, and loves her lowly government job. Unfortunately her career path will cease to exist soon due to Bushco.

[MLFerrell]

52. Ask Madame Tax Attorney for the IRS...

Precisely which law, predicated on what basis requires U.S. citizens to pay federal income tax.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198 (Well worth watching).

Justice, right?

:sarcasm:

[kestrel91316]

58. Are you perhaps lost? The Libertarian site is somewhere over there>>>>

[MLFerrell]

61. OK, let's get one thing straight...

I have no problem with the taxation of personal income. What I DO have a problem with is taxation predicated on no legal basis.

I pay my taxes. If the government truly possesses that right, then why the reticence toward proving said right, once and for all?

Did you even watch the introduction the the video?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

But hey, perhaps I'm mistaken. I admit that. But if I'm right, and Uncle Sam is wrong, to what recourse can I appeal?

This is a nation predicated on law. It might not always seem that way, what with * in the White House and all, but we are a lawful, conscientious people just the same.

Oh, and person? Next time try refuting my contention instead of slandering me with the appellation "Libertarian"

Just a thought...

[troubleinwinter]

64. OK, ya got me

:hurts:

What a load!

[caledesi]

46. Wrong MLF! nt

[NewJeffCT]

49. I had meant it meaning US attorneys

a person that takes a job as a US attorney could probably make quite a bit more money in private practice.

[alfredo]

50. I know a damn good lawyer that hasn't gotten rich because

he works with the poor. If Willie Nelson likes him, he can't be all bad.
My brother in law does nothing but family law. He's comfortable, not rich. Another I know helps the homeless and does pro bono work for the homeless shelters and soup kitchens around town. He's rich, but he was before he even became a lawyer. All three are good Democrats. Well, the first one has a very strong Left Libertarian streak.


I hope you never need a lawyer.

[enough]

54. Strange, all the lawyers I know got into it because they had a highly developed sense

of how badly fucked up our system of "justice" is.

Not making this up. My friends and relatives who are lawyers are among the few people I know who have been doing something every day for the last few years about Guantanamo, state torture, sentencing guidelines, police brutality, environmental justice, immigration law, separation of powers, freedom of speech, prison reform, women's rights, civil rights, ......

And every one of them has given up the six figures for the fight. Which is more than a lot of us can say.

[MLFerrell]

62. Your friends and relatives...

Certainly deserve accolades, but I can assure you that they are the exception to the rule.

Honestly, can anybody candidly state that most lawyers are out to "fix the system" as it were?

No. But most can admit that they are all about the proverbial $s. And if they refuse to state the obvious, that does not imply that they are altruistic. That merely portends that they are in denial...

[rateyes]

80. Just one question...

what did you get prosecuted for, and which lawyer fucked up your case? (Or, were you really guilty in the first place, and are pissed that you got nailed for it, and your lawyer couldn't get you off?)

[MLFerrell]

82. I've never been arrested before...

Let alone in court.

Nice try, though.

[rateyes]

86. So, who sued you?

Or, who did you sue? Or, who in your family was arrested? You obviously have issues.

[MLFerrell]

96. Wrong again.

Never been sued, never had family arrested. Never had to deal with a lawyer in an official capacity.

I stand by my opinion.

[rateyes]

100. You never had to deal with them....

and yet you know ALL about them! RIIGGGGGGHHHHHHHTTTT!!!!

Good luck dealing with identity theft, or if you are a victim of a crime, or a victim of malpractice without relying on a good attorney.

Be sure, if you have to hire one, to tell him/her what you think about the profession...that way you'll get top-notch representation.

[Straight Shooter]

78. MLFerrell

Your post is baseless and ridiculous. :eyes:

[rateyes]

81. "Follow the money!" nt

[AikidoSoul]

88. You might be hanging with the wrong people

I know many fine attorneys who love the law.

It's not all about money... but for sure, for some it is.

[Virginia Dare]

77. I know a Democrat who works for DOJ..

and yes, pissed doesn't even begin to describe it.

[baldguy]

3. I'm sure there are disgruntled employees throughout the Fed gov't.

Once one starts talking, there'll be a flood of whistle-blowers.

[Hekate]

25. Oh gods yes. Career civil servants all over the place are furious.

I remember someone's report about interviews with FEMA employees both present and retired, who really wanted to talk about the lead-up to the drowning of New Orleans. Some of them actually wept when they talked about what Bush's political hacks had done to their department.

Shortly after Katrina I visited a friend in DC who worked for a major department, and had lunch with some of her co-workers. They were so bitter I almost couldn't digest my food. I asked if their department had been FEMA'd and they said yes. My friend was counting the days until her retirement, and she's gone now.

So my impression is that Congress would hear plenty if they could assure people their jobs would not abruptly end.

Hekate

[The Backlash Cometh]

28. Maybe it's time to bring back the civil servant.

Of course, they'll just be attacked as lazy and incompetent until someone does a better job of defending them against the "No Tax" coterie.

[Hekate]

37. Civil servants are supposed to keep the place actually running while pols come and go

For all the badmouthing that the Repubs and Libertarians have done about civil servants, most that I have met are dedicated, hard working, and have a strong sense that what they do is a public service and so are proud of that.

They are the institutional memory -- politicians come and go at the whims of the voters.

And civil servants are accountable to us, the people (through our elected reps), in ways that the "privateers" never can be accountable.

It makes me sick that from Reagan onward, the Repubs have tried to destroy that fine tradition on all levels and replace it with cronies and hacks.

Hekate

[Generic Brad]

53. Civil servants are my heroes

Especially when they become uncivil to those who deserve it.

[The Backlash Cometh]

68. That was the first shocker I had with my new in-laws decades ago.

Here I was, recently married, and they started bad-mouthing civil servants in a way that would turn out to be the predecessor of attacks for people on welfare. As if the jobs were given to lazy people, or to minorities just to give them a job, while their own anglo-children actually had to struggle for work in the private sector. And here was I, the daughter of a civil servant, knowing full well the level of sacrifice and loyalty that the job requires.

Who knew the level of cronyism that existed in the private sector? Who knew that the true super patriots in this country were actually the civil servants?

[loudsue]

84. That's why they're so critical to the stability of our country

And precisely why the bush crowd has tried to "privatize" them, and get rid of them.

:kick::kick::kick:

[klebean]

95. bolton Jon Stewart

kept railing about the problem of "those who work within the bureaucracy" i.e., civil servants, who are the largest threat to the admins ability to carry through on their policies.

[Matariki]

32. Tell me about it. I have friends who work for the EPA...

[yardwork]

39. I know retired folks from other departments that feel the same way

They would love to talk about what happened if only Congress would ask them.

[deutsey]

69. There are. I know a few of them. n/t

[Gman]

4. Now there's a shot across the bow

saying, "How far you wanna go with this?"

[Swamp Rat]

5. That made my evening!

:bounce:

[lonestarnot]

7. I prefer a running faucet rather than a dripping one!

[Ilsa]

45. ITA. This misadministration has survived the drips. We need

a flood to break through the levies, so to speak.

[IChing]

9. MMMM dinner Rove's head served in a nice sauce of Justice

" with some fava beans and a nice Chianti"

[Swamp Rat]

16. I do not believe Schumer is just bluffing.

;)

[IChing]

20. You are right he is too sharp

I think this might hopefully might break open
the administration's suspension of the laws of physics claim

LOL

[Vadem]

26. Where in the heck IS Mopaul???? Anybody know?... I miss him. n/t

[shadowknows69]

29. Good to see a MoPaul work on here

Thanks Swampy.

[Flarney]

73. Awesome sig picture! n/t

[bdamomma]

6. I think there may be more incriminating news coming out

from the DOJ, the more the better information will be coming out, these bushies are toast.

[napi21]

8. Check THIS thread. Cummins was investigating Blunt!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=469509&mesg_id=469509

Drip, drip, drip.....

[Ugnmoose]

12. This all fits the MO

File it with Carol Lam

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

10. Sooner or later someone is gonna come forward.

Perhaps someone close to retirement, who has gotten assurances that should he or she dump their guts and whatever documentation they might have, they will receive their pension. Perhaps an IT weenie who has logs of, shall we say, communications outside of normal and legal channels, for you can be sure that this has occurred. Any way you slice and dice it, this is quite plausible as a next step in the natural progression of this sort of thing.

Those career government workers can be a real fly in the ointment for these guys.

[Berry Cool]

15. Maybe it's not so much a dripping faucet

as a smoking gun.

[FatDave]

93. Hey now!

I'm offended by the term IT weenie! I'm an IT nerd!

[dicknbush]

13. Man this is getting Soooooooooooo Good!!!

I am glad Bush is pushing back on this. I think his pushback just gave this story legs through the summer and the more that comes out the worse it looks for Bushies. The echo chamber is trying to minimilize it but it just keps getting owrse. I'm Lovin It!

[Ilsa]

48. Several pundits said Bush* should just provide what Congress

is asking for in testimony and then it will probably all go away. He's dragging it out by doing this.

[Subdivisions]

14. And...

He preceded those comments referred to by the OP by saying that there are alot of pissed-off people inside the DOJ as a result of this political breach of their otherwise apolitical agency.

[Ugnmoose]

18. Nothing worse than a pissed off career civil servant lawyer

They used the wrong frikkin agency to do their dirty work. This might fly at the CIA or perhaps even the FBI, but it won't fly at DOJ. Curtains - assholes!

[aquart]

30. Plaid Adder said: Never fire a bunch of lawyers.

Because they keep detailed notes.

[WinkyDink]

33. That's why Shakespeare didn't say "fire". ;)

[Flying Dream Blues]

66. Touche'! Great point... nt

[napi21]

22. Chuck was only talking about the DOJ, but there's a lot of pissed off people

inside the CIA too! Remember, Shrub blamed the "faulty Intel" on the failure of the CIA!

It's never a great idea to piss off either of those agencies! They can make your life very, very miserable!

[riderinthestorm]

17. Check out the Margaret Chiara thread by Solly Mack

You can watch her progression via the emails from grovelling to pissed! I'd bet she's one of Schumer's DOJ disgruntled employees ready to spew.

[John Q. Citizen]

19. What have I been saying? I'm positive the Dems have a lot more on this

than they've been letting on.

This is one reason that bush is scared shitless to let anyone from the White House go testify. It's also why he went on TV.

He probably knows that they know that he knows, so to speak.

[capi888]

34. 6 years of this Bull...for the Dems

If anyone thinks the Senators and Reps, not in control of Congress, have been just laying back and following the Pugs, not doing their own investigations underground, listening to people affected by the decisions of the Pug Congress, then they have more thinking to do. I have thought from the beginning that they were working all the time making their marks on this corrupt regime, just waiting for this moment, and having all their ducks in row, when the time was right.
Most of us at DU have been aware, and printing our thoughts all along, and you can bet many of the staffers of these Senators and Reps have been viewing here and also by testimony from just chatting in the DC Circles with many people in the know. then investigate, the truth. Now to put the proof in action. I think of John Conyers, as a prime example. For all these years he has been speaking out, and I believe he has the proof!!

[John Q. Citizen]

38. I'm sure that they have been busy. But what tells me that this particular

case is a slam dunk for the Dems is 2 things (now three, with Schumer's teasing)

First Hillary came out pretty quick and called for Gonzales's resignation. So quick in fact that I figured she figured it's a slam dunk.

Second is there has been a little bit of information released (e-mails) that weren't in the document dump. They came from somewhere.

Also, if there was nothing to all this of import, bush wouldn't have tried to bamboozle the Dems with a "generous offer" and wouldn't have tried to appeal to the American public direct to spin the whole deal. He would have just blown Congress and us off. His "deal" was from weakness, not from generosity.

[capi888]

44. Good analogy...I agree

Sounds like the Senators are in the know, perhaps for a long time. When Pelosi went to the WH after the election, I sensed their willingness to GET ALONG and WORK TOGETHER, was actually a warning to the President. He thought he had them convinced....and all along the Dems knew, they had the goods on him, and they were just waiting for the shoe to drop!!! And it did!! Indeed he is weak, and thinks he is in control...like Imhoff...Boxer had her gavel up and reminded him he was not in charge. I don't think bush realize's that he DOES have to answer to Congress...No more rubber stamps...Go Dems.

[ClayZ]

21. K and R

[Ugnmoose]

23. Now that the Sherriff is back in town

the outlaws need to worry. Unfortunately without subpoena authority the Dems had little they could do with any information given to them. Now that they control the show the moles may well come a flockin. I hope that it is more than prosectorgate that takes traction, because there are so many other really heinous things this cabal of criminals has done.

[Justice Is Comin]

24. Ten to one that's Sampson he's talking about.

Chief of Staff to grease ball himself.

Mr. Sampson has a truckload of beans and wants to spill them.

[Oilwellian]

27. I saw the exchange...

and thought exactly the same thing. It's also funny how he quoted the Godfather. :D

[John Q. Citizen]

42. How so, (quote) for those of us sans cable? m n/t

[WinkyDink]

31. Bring it on!!

[Justice]

35. very interesting. I am quite such the career DOJ folks learned a

thing or two from the knockdown given to the CIA career folks.

[Malikshah]

47. Bingo-- to paraphrase Niemoler (sp?) First they came for the Democrats

and I didn't do anything as I wasn't a Democrat

Then they came for the Intelligence Agencies...and I didn't do anything because I wasn't one of them.

Then they came for the Military, and I didn't do anything because I wasn't part of the military.

Then they came for the DoJ and there was no one left...

[IChing]

40. HE compared it three times today like speaking to the Godfather (Mafia)

On all the stations in different times. He is trying to say we are dealing with the Mafia very diplomatically.

Fredo.... is Gonzales nickname....get it?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

57. I'm sure there will be plenty of 'Sons of Deep Throat'

in the DOJ

[niyad]

59. and daughters

[Bucky]

67. The Deep Throats of today are all congressmembers... performing for lobbyists

And it's that other Deep Throat.

[Hepburn]

70. OMG.......

.....wouldn't that just be great!?!?!?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

72. All systems are go

Seems Reid, Schumer, et al have a good game plan.
Bring it on!

[Chimichurri]

75. I got the same feeling when I heard him say that last night. He would

not have said that if he didn't know more.

[Virginia Dare]

76. I have contended from the beginning that they've got more on them..

than what they have made public. They seem to be giving Bush more and more rope to hang himself with.

[blueguynredcity]

99. Jack Abramoff is getting a sentence reduction!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6500283,00.html

The only one reporting this is Firedoglake.

This is why this DOJ mess is so important.