Does it just feel like a WAR on us little peons?

[glowing]

FDA, EPA, Financial Meltdown, Union Shake Down, Hunger/ Homeless on the rise. Does it ever just feel like war and we're being hit from all sides. Seriously, its about time we take all of our interest groups, join together and stand FIRM and tell them to STOP FUCKING WITH US.

[alfredo]

1. Recessions shift power to the Robber Barons. A hungry person will

accept terms he would otherwise reject.

[onethatcares]

12. everytime I see that pig

he reminds me of John Lennons' Piggy song.

that vucker hasn't missed a meal in many a day, nor has he seen his genitals. Wonder who wipes his asss?:wtf:

[alfredo]

18. I bet that designated butt wiper is not union.

[Waiting For Everyman]

13. And a person with nothing left to lose will light a molotov and fight back.

That's where they screwed up. Too many are in ruin now for the rest of their lifetimes, and maybe their children's too.

Too many. And they took it too far, for too long.

Dumb.

[alfredo]

19. I see news of unrest in China over job loss. The people of Greece are

a bit testy nowadays. I don't like unrest, but that could be that I am old damaged, and increasingly risk adverse.

[Myrina]

2. Unfortunately,

... so many 'average Americans' who are also being shat upon have become so mentally numb that they actually buy in to the media/political perpetration that everything is the union's fault and that workers need to ask for less ...
not once during the discussion of the Big 3 Bailout have I EVER heard anyone - from any side - make mention that CEO's
need to be laid off for the month of January too or that they also need to restructure their compensation/benefits as
a condition of the 'loan' from Washington.

NOT ONCE.

Instead we get the media crying over all the millionaire investors that Madoff screwed.
What about all the AVERAGE PEOPLE that Enron screwed?
That WorldComm screwed?
That all of the financial giants - and the Big 3 - have screwed?

What about us?? Sadly, many of 'us' don't even realize that it is all out class warfare in this country, and those that
they most likely voted for, are the one who are going to fuck them 6 ways from Sunday every chance they get.


:(

[Kalyke]

17. While I agree with a lot of your post, the fact is that the CEOs of the Big 3

have cut their pay to $1 a year; however, that doesn't matter.

One month? One year? When you have million$ in the bank, you aren't sacrificing the way us peons are.

Cutting up the neighbors' brush to burn in your fireplace and taking 3-minute showers to keep natural gas costs down because they went up 15 percent? Ain't gonna happen in the Bush household. Making chili out of hard/canned beans and half a pound of turkey meat? Ain't gonna happen in the Clinton household. Spliting Angelfood dibs with your mother? Ain't gonna happen in the Obama household. Putting on six layers of clothes and sleeping with your kids to keep warm while you turn off the heat at night? Ain't gonna happen in the Warren household. Freezing bread? Ain't gonna happen in the Krystal household.

Look, the rich have it and have gotten it off our backs. What are we gonna do about it besides moan and groan and bitch?

[Greyhound]

26. The quote I use in my sig line is from 1998. This war has been waged

from their side since the 19th century. This latest surge has been going on for at least 30 years while still most of us pretend it isn't happening and refuse to fight.

[GoodSpud]

33. I'll see your 19th Century and raise you a 14th!

The whole effort, by the wealth, to keep labor costs 'in line' is WAY older than most folks know.

Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Labourers

For those who don't want to follow the link it is a wage control statute in England in response the The Black Death in 1351.

T.D.P.

[Greyhound]

34. You are right. I write corrected, but I'll see your 14th century and raise you

to about 4000 BCE when according to http://www.powells.com/biblio/17-9780062502896-12">Riane Eisler, the savages that worshiped the Gods of death came out of the steppes and the desert and established, over a period of time, the patriarchal, hierarchical structures that dominate our world today, supplanting the much flatter cooperative societies that existed for tens of thousands of years before. IOW, when the parasite class imposed their mindset of greed and scarcity.

[billyoc]

3. I wouldn't have it any other way.

Game on.

[leftofthedial]

4. It IS a war on us.

It ALWAYS HAS BEEN a war on us.

[bobbolink]

5. "its about time we take all of our interest groups, join together and stand FIRM "

You have hit it exactly right!

They get power by splintering us, and then we cooperate with them, and isolate ourselves and each other, instead of fighting FOR each other!

You could keep repeating this, because UNTIL we all get this, nothing is going to change!

:applause:

[madeline_con]

6. We're not peons, we're WE the People!

The same spirit of hard fighting and struggle we used to win the election needs to continue! :woohoo:

[Lorien]

15. But how do we fight the uber rich? How do we fight the corporations?

How do we fight the corporate media? They own it all, so they can do whatever they damn well want to us and they know it.

Hell, I tried to start a "economic activism and simple living" group once and a rival "frugal living" group popped up right away because so many DUers loved Wal-mart, GOP contribution corporations and cheap Chinese crap that they were OFFENDED by the idea of standing against them!

[glowing]

20. Well, then we all better wake up really soon.. or many will lose their lives

and their children's lives in the battle... Start first, we are people and no one person is better than the other.. We are ALL equal. We all deserve a free life. We all deserve the protections for life, liberty, and happiness.. At the same time, we have to figure out what makes us happy and that we all need to share; this means we may have to sacrifice. We have to adjust our lifestyles so that a child in a 3rd world has education, food, access to medical, and a safe upbringing. It means using mass transportation. It means changing our lifestyles as well.

[Hardrada]

7. "Trickle down" creates Pee-ons, alas.

But you are quite right. Unite!

[FormerDittoHead]

8. They think of us as CROPS for PRUNING and HARVESTING.

They let us educate ourselves, work all of our lives, inventing stuff, saving our money, and then they TAKE IT AWAY to start the cycle again WITH OUR CHILDREN.

[formercia]

10. Let the crop grow and build equity, then harvest it.

The boys have been doing this to minorities for centuries. The strong take from the weak.

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

9. well paid CEO's think employees are a liability, can you imagine?

ceo's seem to get rewarded for screwing us over, investors always come first.

[sarcasmo]

11. Serfs are what we have become.

[Greyhound]

28. "Necessitous men are not free" - FDR Second Bill of Rights n/t

[Skittles]

14. it has felt like war to me since the repuke revolution in '93

it fucking stinks

[Fearless]

16. The problem is that this nation's people still look out solely for themselves.

Don't worry, the further the economy sinks the sooner we'll right the ship.

[Prophet 451]

21. It IS a war

Has been for years. The current Republican party (they weren't always this way) have been so throughly co-opted by the corporatist class that they have adopted that classes values as their own. The corporatists class needs only two things: Cheap labour to make it's products and consumers (preferably wealthy) to sell them to. Henry Ford once said that the goal of the industrialist was to make the highest quality of goods possible, charging the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible (others said similar things, Ford just distilled it nicely). That worked then, Ford and his contempories were rich men but today's corporatists operate by a different paradigm: Makes the goods as cheap as possible, charging the highest price the market will bear, paying the lowest wages you can get away with.

Note that "corporatist" is not the same as "businessman". There are many in business who are decent, honourable people. The term "corporatist" is meant to imply the mentality of the robber barons, the mentality of the corporate class who propped up Mussolini (who once said that fascism should more accurately be called Corporatism). It is the mantality which subordinates principles, morals and often laws to the accumulation of profit.

Full disclosure as this may affect my thinking here: I am currently working on a speculative fiction book which involves the "free market uber alles" mentality morphed into a full-blown religion.

[Laelth]

23. Well said. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[Greyhound]

27. Henry Ford, a bastard if ever there was one, was prevented from doing exactly that

when the Dodge Bros. took him to court to force him to lower wages (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Company">Dodge v. Ford) and halt expansion of his company in order to continue the payment of special dividends to the minority shareholders. This brought about the ruling dictating that corporations have no responsibilities beyond maximizing shareholder profits. He had this crazy idea that if he paid workers more they could afford to buy his cars.

[Prophet 451]

29. Didn't know about that little wrinkle

And agreed, Ford was a bastard, he just happened to sum up the philosophy nicely.

[Greyhound]

32. It's kind of weird that such a detestable creep did arrive at the right conclusion

occasionally, though I'm sure for the wrong reasons, and provided one of my favorite quotes.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

[Prophet 451]

35. Broken clocks and all that n/t

[TWiley]

22. Rights of Capitalist vs The rights of the rest of the planet

yes, you are not hallucinating, the bushtapo has declared war on us

[RobinA]

24. This War

has been on for quite some time.

[deaniac21]

25. Workers to the streets!!

[balantz]

30. A whole mass of us will be too homeless and hungry to do anything

but dodge the bullets and the batons and climb on the boxcars to Cheney's camps for a roof and a meal.

[rocktots]

31. Have you been paying attention?

I think alot of people have not been paying attention. Charlie Rose has 'guests ' on that tell him we will be LOOSING OUR LIVING STANDARDS, and he just smiles and nods his head, and rationalizes with these creeps.

We let in 20 or 30 million illegal aliens, and your a 'racist' for talking about it, 5 years ago anyway.

We keep outsourcing jobs and factories and importing HB-2 Visa workers to take middle class jobs.

We have a mortage scam that people did not have to QUALIFY for loans, or come up with down payments, to increase 'minority' home ownership, under Clinton AND Mush. That was a big cause of the collaps.

We have TRILLIONS of dollars missing, and no congressman will ask the hard questions, well maybe one or 2.-WTF is that all about? Oh, no one wants to get in a 'plane accident'.

The powers that be will not care if its a dem or a neo-con,its all the same, all the same people.

If there is not absolute outrage at being sold off, then the people deserve what they get, I guess.