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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 06:59 PM
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There's a lot here...EVEN for the most ardent DU Skeptics..
Seeing these two "You Tube" clips back to back is an incredible experience for those of us here on DU who are "Truth Seekers."

Watch both...and I leave it up to you as to what you think:

Mark Crispin Miller's report on "Democracy Now" with Amy Goodman about who Mike Connell who died in his Piper Cup Crash this past Friday...and Miller gives background about how Connell was forced to show up in a Deposition based on Spoonamore's Testimony.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxtm5RF_6Ow&feature=related

Now...who is Stephen Spoonamore? Professor Mark Crispin Miller says that Connell has been referred to as a "High I.Q. Forst Gump..always on the Scene" since 2000 Selection and "Karl Roves former Computer Guru!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1--KHOo8tkM&NR=1

There's alot here that merits a listen....even for skeptics.






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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 08:14 PM
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1. Needs a knr! n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:13 PM
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2. Thanks...they really are a good watch for those who aren't up to speed on the issue...
:hi:
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 06:00 AM
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10. Anytime KoKo! And thanks for keepng it out there!
:hi:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:17 PM
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3. K&R!
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:25 PM
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4. Thanks
These are excellent for those of us trying to catch up.

:thumbsup:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:31 PM
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5. bookmarked
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:41 PM
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6. Saving for later.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:20 PM
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7. un-f**king-believable
Too many coincidences over the years...

This comes to mind, Coppolla's comments on American governance when he has Michael say to Kay, in the Godfather (1972):

Michael: I'm working for my father now. He's been sick, very sick.
Kay: But you're not like him, Michael. I thought you weren't going to become a man like your father. That's what you told me.
Michael: My father's no different than any other powerful man (Kay laughs), any man who's responsible for other people. Like a senator or a president.
Kay: You know how naive you sound?
Michael: Why?
Kay: Senators and presidents don't have men killed.
Michael: Oh, who's being naive, Kay?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:25 PM
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8. The truth really is out there...if people can just be convinced it IS the truth!!
For the most part, the media is complicit with the liars, theives, murderers, scam-artists, etc....that comprise too much of our govt.
Hmmmm Now that I think about it, the media is one of THEM!
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:27 PM
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9. im sure obama will force the ntsb
to fake the accident report they turn in for this crash?
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 06:06 AM
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11. The k and the r
fer sure
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 07:12 AM
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12. And Smarttech/tresspassers-w.net flies under the radar
yet again.

I'll ask in this thread as I've asked in another, does anyone know if the people from Smarttech were subpoenaed in this same case that Connell was made to testify at?
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 07:43 AM
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13. Kick
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 08:27 AM
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14. True, there's a lot here... but what's missing is a coherent theory.
Spoonamore's simplistic (and obviously flawed) theory is that a man-in-the-middle attack was used to modify the vote counts during transmission from each county's tabulator into the central tabulators. Such an attack would work only if no one at the county level knew what the local tabulations were. But the county level officials did know what their local tabulations were. Each county Board of Elections went through a canvassing procedure required by law under which they reviewed their county's totals, made various manual adjustments to them (like counts of provisional ballots) after they had come out of the local tabulators, and then sent their official tabulations in to the Ohio Secretary of State independently of any use of the tabulator to tabulator links. These certified totals were not transmitted tabulator to tabulator. They were faxed in, mailed in, called in, etc.

I'm not much of a skeptic -- I do believe that the 2004 election was stolen in Ohio. But the theory presented by Spoonamore is ridiculously flawed. Since the local county officials read the local tabulation results directly off of the local tabulator machines, the only way to have rigged the tabulation would be to rig the local tabulators. That could have been done by direct manipulation of those machines or, perhaps, by a remote connection to them. The latter approach could perhaps have been supported by the network architecture in the diagrams that Spoonamore has alluded to, but such an attack would not be a man-in-the-middle attack and would be significantly different than Spoonamore's stated theory. Spoonamore (and Arnebeck, Fitrakis, et al) should perfect the theory because the one they are proffering is obviously flawed.

BTW, lala_rawraw included David Dill's explanation of this flaw in her excellent article early in the time line of the Spoonamore story:

"It seems that the major concern is whether routing election results through a third-party server would allow that third party to change the reported election results,” Dill wrote. “These diagrams haven't answered my basic question about that idea. The individual counties know the counts that they transmitted to the state. If those results were altered by the state or a middleman, I would think that many people in many counties would know the actual numbers and would raise an alarm."

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2008/Documents_reveal_how_Ohio_routed_2004_1031.html


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