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Irish Girl Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 07:47 AM
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The Rich Among The Rich. There is a wide gap .. the Hyper Rich
An amazing disparity exists within the top 1.5% of the rich...the top 400 taxpayers own most of the rich people's wealth. This article is a few years old but still quite interesting.

Richest Are Leaving Even the Rich Far Behind

By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON
Published: June 5, 2005
The New York Times

When F. Scott Fitzgerald pronounced that the very rich "are different from you and me," Ernest Hemingway's famously dismissive response was: "Yes, they have more money." Today he might well add: much, much, much more money.

The people at the top of America's money pyramid have so prospered in recent years that they have pulled far ahead of the rest of the population, an analysis of tax records and other government data by The New York Times shows. They have even left behind people making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

Call them the hyper-rich.

They are not just a few Croesus-like rarities. Draw a line under the top 0.1 percent of income earners - the top one-thousandth. Above that line are about 145,000 taxpayers, each with at least $1.6 million in income and often much more.

The average income for the top 0.1 percent was $3 million in 2002, the latest year for which averages are available. That number is two and a half times the $1.2 million, adjusted for inflation, that group reported in 1980. No other income group rose nearly as fast.

The share of the nation's income earned by those in this uppermost category has more than doubled since 1980, to 7.4 percent in 2002. The share of income earned by the rest of the top 10 percent rose far less, and the share earned by the bottom 90 percent fell.

Next, examine the net worth of American households. The group with homes, investments and other assets worth more than $10 million comprised 338,400 households in 2001, the last year for which data are available. The number has grown more than 400 percent since 1980, after adjusting for inflation, while the total number of households has grown only 27 percent.

The analysis examined only income reported on tax returns. The Treasury Department says that the very wealthiest find ways, legal and illegal, to shelter a lot of income from taxes. So the gap between the very richest and everyone else is almost certainly much larger.

The hyper-rich have emerged in the last three decades as the biggest winners in a remarkable transformation of the American economy characterized by, among other things, the creation of a more global marketplace, new technology and investment spurred partly by tax cuts. The stock market soared; so did pay in the highest ranks of business.

One way to understand the growing gap is to compare earnings increases over time by the vast majority of taxpayers - say, everyone in the lower 90 percent - with those at the top, say, in the uppermost 0.01 percent (now about 14,000 households, each with $5.5 million or more in income last year).

From 1950 to 1970, for example, for every additional dollar earned by the bottom 90 percent, those in the top 0.01 percent earned an additional $162, according to the Times analysis. From 1990 to 2002, for every extra dollar earned by those in the bottom 90 percent, each taxpayer at the top brought in an extra $18,000.

The Bush administration tax cuts stand to widen the gap between the hyper-rich and the rest of America. The merely rich, making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, will shoulder a disproportionate share of the tax burden.

¶ Under the Bush tax cuts, the 400 taxpayers with the highest incomes - a minimum of $87 million in 2000, the last year for which the government will release such data - now pay income, Medicare and Social Security taxes amounting to virtually the same percentage of their incomes as people making $50,000 to $75,000.

¶ Those earning more than $10 million a year now pay a lesser share of their income in these taxes than those making $100,000 to $200,000.

¶ The alternative minimum tax, created 36 years ago to make sure the very richest paid taxes, takes back a growing share of the tax cuts over time from the majority of families earning $75,000 to $1 million - thousands and even tens of thousands of dollars annually. Far fewer of the very wealthiest will be affected by this tax.

Some of the wealthiest Americans, including Warren E. Buffett, George Soros and Ted Turner, have warned that such a concentration of wealth can turn a meritocracy into an aristocracy and ultimately stifle economic growth by putting too much of the nation's capital in the hands of inheritors rather than strivers and innovators. Speaking of the increasing concentration of incomes, Alan Greenspan, the Federal Reserve chairman, warned in Congressional testimony a year ago: "For the democratic society, that is not a very desirable thing to allow it to happen."

Others say most Americans have no problem with this trend. The central question is mobility, said Bruce R. Bartlett, an advocate of lower taxes who served in the Reagan and George H. W. Bush administrations. "As long as people think they have a chance of getting to the top, they just don't care how rich the rich are."

But in fact, economic mobility - moving from one income group to another over a lifetime - has actually stopped rising in the United States, researchers say. Some recent studies suggest it has even declined over the last generation.



Full article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/05/national/class/HYPER-FINAL.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 07:58 AM
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1. It is even worse that the article implies, but the key is for this not be
well known or understood. Just as Bartlett says, as long as the sheeple believe that somehow it could be them one day, they will let it go without any understanding of either the scale nor the implications.

You might want to http://www.lcurve.org/#">look at this one.


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Irish Girl Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 08:03 AM
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2. that graph is amazing.
"As long as people think they have a chance of getting to the top, they just don't care how rich the rich are."

But in fact, economic mobility - moving from one income group to another over a lifetime - has actually stopped rising in the United States, researchers say. Some recent studies suggest it has even declined over the last generation.

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Sad but true. :(
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 08:09 AM
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3. K & R ...
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 08:18 AM
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4. I had an interesting conversation with a Freed Prisoner of Conscience yesterday.
Former Wall Street guy who made money like this. Which makes two, now, that I have met.

I am gonna be writing about it.

When I say that they are not like you and me, that is because we are not sociopaths. When I brought up my sense that a lot of these guys who created this mess ARE sociopaths, my god, you would have thought I was the guy responsible for Saul's conversion on the road to Damascus. A light went off in this guy's head, and it was like all the things that he had known for years finally were given a name.

He, a teacher of Finance at some college now, was also quite taken with my "White-Boy Unbusted Cocaine Dealer" theory on the world of finance and the repukes. I told him to watch the "Cocaine Cowboys" movies on Google Video for a deeper explanation of that., he said he was going home and watching.it that evening.

He left me with the thought that people on the inside could not see what was wrong, that it took people on the outside, looking in.

It's gonna be a good piece. I will be publishing it over at WNT ans linking over here.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 08:22 AM
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6. I've watched that, 'Cocaine Cowboys'.
:wow:
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 09:57 AM
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7. Towards the end...
Is a real revelation about a lot of things, ain't it? ;-)
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 08:20 AM
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5. Just imagine, in a couple of generations these hyper-rich
will have married each other. Their children will have grown up like royalty. They will weld power and influence only dreamed about by kings and queens.

The US has finally created a royal aristocracy that will rule us for generations to come.

Get use to begging.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 10:04 AM
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8. Yes, but did Madoff provide the ultimate irony by opening a big hole
for them to fall through? Were they finally set up to fall the way we've had to deal with all our lives because we're on the lower levels of the food chain?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 10:13 AM
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9. I assume there is more info out there about the mega wealthy and how they are running the country.
Anyone have any recommendations for reading material?
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 12:13 PM
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10. Actually, they work very very hard
Edited on Mon Dec-22-08 12:14 PM by nichomachus
to keep that information secret. Anytime anyone even comes close to revealing the truth, you start hearing the shrieks of "Tinfoil Hat" and "CT nut."

It's amazing that they have conditioned so many people among the working class to rush to their defense.

I was having lunch with some friends a year or so before the banking collapse broke. I started to explain how I saw the banks setting us up for a huge fall, while the top-level guys were pocketing the money. One guy at the table started yelling "Oh God, here come the conspiracy theories." And everyone else started laughing at me.

There is some stuff out there, but I won't recommend it to anyone, because every time I do, it gets scoffed at as CT nonsense.
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Irish Girl Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 06:56 PM
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12. Reading material ...
You may want to go to Amazon.com and do a search for 'The Federal Reserve' to begin. The reviews written by other customers are helpful in finding a book you may find interesting, then request to borrow that particular resource from your local library.

There is immense information out there and if you seek Truth, you will most certainly find it :)
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Irish Girl Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 07:01 PM
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13. "Tragedy and Hope" by Dr. Carroll Quigley
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 12:17 PM
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11. Extreme concentration of wealth among the very few.
It happened before the last depression too.
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