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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:42 PM Original message |
Obama's loyalty gap growing -- Howard Dean gets screwed over |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. If the Democratic Party rejects Howard Dean, we will be very sorry. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
23. It has already happened. He's, as Heidi Klum would say "OUT." |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
138. That was stupid, Plain stupid. Compare their two records. Which did more for electing Dems? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #138 |
144. Yardwork, it may have been stupid, but it has happened. |
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Cronopio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #144 |
167. "may have been stupid" read "absolutely and indisputably was stupid" |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #167 |
171. The unfortunate truth: Where are those troops gonna go? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
24. Crap, doubleclick. Excuse me! nt |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. Wesley Clark has also worked HARD for a Democratic Congress. Pffffft. nt |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. And would have been a MUCH better pick for State. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Naaah. No one's a better pick than Clinton. She's a twofer, and there isn't |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
60. I don't want a big name. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. She knows what she's doing. And she's a big name. |
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Mudoria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #65 |
124. I think Condi's biggest problem was who she was working for.. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #124 |
130. BINGO! |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #60 |
129. Well, you've got someone who actually listens to other people's views and advice. nt |
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Cronopio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
168. "... he just doesn't have that 'cachet.'" |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
128. I LOVE Clark but disagree. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
3. Probably good advice for anyone in politics or business |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
4. Did you ever consider Dean might have other plans? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Sorry, no. Dean badly wanted an appointment. He was going for HHS |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Yes, but so was Daschle and Daschle was one of Obama's mentors |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
64. Yes. Daschle did far, far more than Dean to help Obama. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #64 |
163. Are you being sarcastic? nm |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #163 |
182. No. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #182 |
184. Well that's not too convincing. I assume you prefer Rahm Emanuel over Howard Dean? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. That's a knee jerk reaction. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. I guess you are pointing out my naivete. I want to believe that Dean's 50 state strategy |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #187 |
213. Why do you assume |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #187 |
217. I really like Dean and his 50 state strategy is a winner |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
192. Yes, but when Daschle was Sen. Maj. Leader, our party was sinking like a stone. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. He did? I must have missed that. Do you have a link, because |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. That's a centerpiece of the OP's originally cited article. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. I just recall enormous amounts of speculation from everyone. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
62. Well, Daschle had been a contender for a long time. |
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tan guera (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 01:58 AM Response to Reply #28 |
153. MAdem |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
53. EVERYONE is saying the same thing. They aren't close. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #53 |
139. Emmanuel couldn't cut Dean out if Obama didn't want to keep him out. nt |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. I agree wholeheartedly. Obama IS in charge. He's not a victim of dark forces. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. Reminds me of naive wives saying their husbands would be perfect but for the friends he has. nt |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #141 |
145. Ummm hmmmm! |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. The media created the fight between Obama and the Clinton's and now |
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disndat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
43. H.C. was given |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
63. Using Warren and Dean to turn Obama's base against him before he even enters office |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
67. The media didn't create the primary. It's not the same. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
131. Good point. nt |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
6. Add to the list pro-RKBA Dems who wanted to believe Obama would not support renewing the useless |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
7. Impeach! Impeach!! |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Worship mindlessly! Worship mindlessly! n/t |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. You know those who constantly worship AND constanstly bash |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Whine endlessly! Whine endlessly! |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. Resistance is Futile -- |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. Not cutting it. |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. don't bots need oil changes on occasion? |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #26 |
156. Nah, just a serving of Kool-Aid now and then. n/t |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
8. This is sad. Howard Dean is a huge asset to the party |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
9. Why do you hate America? Why? n/t |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
11. Proud to be the 5th K&R |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
25. DLC is here to move party to the right ... |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
12. I don't think it's Obama rejecting Dean as much as it is "Washington |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. or perhpas Obama should be allowed to choose who he wants to |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
31. so where is the CHANGE that was touted? No more *old school*? |
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Lilyeye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. How about you ask that question when Obama ACTUALLY gets in office. |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #41 |
142. It will be too late then |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #41 |
166. If the Deval Patrick template (he ran the Obama campaign on a small scale in MA) is a guide |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
74. Obama is the President Elect. With a wave of his hand he can do whatever he wants |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
17. Florida and Michigan were abjectly stupid. And undemocratic. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
36. You are rewriting the primary history, turning it upside down. Links. |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. Thank you very very much!!! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. I keep those handy when someone tries to rewrite history. |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. I know you do! And I love it. If not for you and your efforts, the truth about the Florida primary |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
71. No, I'm not. Dean's actions benefitted the President Elect. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. That is NOT the point and you know it. You accused him of helping Obama win. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. I don't "accuse" him of anything. Stop being overly emotional. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. You are really over reacting to criticism.....putting the blame elsewhere. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #82 |
95. I am not reacting at all. If you think otherwise, you're projecting. That's your issue. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Truth is my issue. There were too many primary lies...no more. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. Truth, or whatever you call it, isn't going to get Howard Dean a job. NT |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. I don't care about that. He's better on the outside. You are not telling the truth. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #104 |
111. Yes, I am telling the truth. You can keep moving those Dean goalposts if you'd like. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. No, you don't get to make your own truth. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. He did what he did. The result was the result. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. You accused him of throwing the primary. Dangerous talk and harmful |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. .... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Harmful distortions of truth...and you laugh about it. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. ... |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. You are the one who seems to have moved the goalposts. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. Projection. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #120 |
199. Where do I get the idea? |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #111 |
158. But... |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #158 |
165. No, you are NOT alone. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #165 |
181. Well thank you |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #181 |
209. Hey, when you're right... |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #71 |
127. The Democratic Party is not a dictatorship, COMMITTEES VOTED TO DO THAT |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
94. Another thanks! |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
38. What a pantload. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
72. He enforced halfassed rules of his own making, that deprived voters of their right to vote. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Correction: It is YOUR truth. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #76 |
86. Sure, whatever. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. We ARE seeing it. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Well, hell..why am I taking so much heat here for pointing it OUT? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Deleted message |
MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Get some help. Tossing insults at people you don't know suggests an empty life. NT |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #92 |
101. You are getting heat because you are not telling the truth about him. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Deleted message |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. What is it called when you keep telling the untruths over and over |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. I don't do that. nt |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. You accused the party chairman of throwing the primary. You are getting away with it. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. It's not getting away with JACK, mad... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #108 |
115. How many times do I have to repeat it before you get it? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. YOUR jabbing is repetitive. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #110 |
147. We'll see who's right about this at the end of the day. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #86 |
159. This is folly |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #159 |
202. You're shooting the messenger. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. wow! you have this so spectacularly wrong |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. No, I don't. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. You accused him of throwing the primary. Dangerous talk and harmful |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Deleted message |
AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Your opportunistic false concern resonates. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. I don't have any concern, false or otherwise--but say, where did you |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #91 |
97. gotcha |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #97 |
106. No, you didn't get anything. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. you're been exposed as a poser |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. More name calling. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #83 |
173. Correction! The AMERICAN PEOPLE are screwed, not just Dean! Merging with the Clintonistas... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #173 |
196. Sensible for Obama. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 04:01 AM Response to Reply #196 |
204. So you're basically saying the people don't count in our government, because the "far left"... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #204 |
208. Where do you get these interpretations of my remarks? |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #208 |
210. Your opinion of the majority... Many of us have a different opinion of what is the majority... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #210 |
214. It's not a matter of "opinion' though. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #214 |
216. The reason they get elected is because corporate dollars push them... |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #72 |
125. Lie #2 |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #125 |
135. Keep smiling, now. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. * cough * bullshit |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
70. And that will get Dean a post in the Obama administration....NOT. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. two separate unrelated issues and disproves your theory that Dean smooched Obama butt in the primary |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #79 |
93. Look me up when his cabinet assignment is announced. nt |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
46. bull. which SIDE did Dean pick? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #46 |
69. I'm talking about his aggressiveness about sticking to "the rules" in the first place. |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
47. We got ourselves a diaper load with this post. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #47 |
68. Well, that was unhelpful, but I'll bet it made you feel good somehow. NT |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Why did you even bother to respond? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. You are posting things that are far from the truth. It angers people |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #78 |
118. Repetition doesn't afford your comments added veracity. Sorry, dear. NT |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
178. Yeah, I remember you from the primaries. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #178 |
201. Ah, insults. How charming. Gee, I don't remember you. You must not be very important. NT |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 04:20 AM Response to Reply #201 |
205. Not an insult so much as an observation, really. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #205 |
206. Well, if you want to play in the schoolyard, whoever smelt it, dealt it. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #206 |
212. And a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush as long as we're on nonsequitor proverbs |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
188. What could be more neutral than declaring long before hand that they wouldn't count due to ... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #188 |
200. What could be more UNDEMOCRATIC than disenfranchising voters for the actions of their |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #200 |
215. Counting unauthorized primary contests would be more undemocratic. |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
18. Seriously I have more respect for Howard Dean than I do either |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
146. You and me both! |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #146 |
150. I haven't. I expected what we got so I'm not suicidal or anything, |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #150 |
151. Howard Dean was the 1st presidential candidate |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
20. I think that Obama and the country will be sorry for.. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
66. It would have been wiser to have been more even-handed in his cabinet selection |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
22. Obama is evil and everyone should always assume the worst about everything he does. |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. We'll see, indeed. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
44. No one said that -- but hyperventilate all you want - if it makes your adoration easier |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. I'm sorry if I think it is possible the hiring decisions could be based on multiple factors instead |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
29. I don't believe the WAPO, as they have always hated Howard Dean..... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
34. I don't understand why so many are surprised, this guy came up in |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
37. Tapping Rahm Emanuel was a bad sign |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #37 |
80. It was a clear sign, that the Clinton machine and the Obama machine were merging. |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. I just have to laugh |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #84 |
99. He's counting on being able to pull it off. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #99 |
160. hmm |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #160 |
164. He won't pitch them. He'll just make it clear to them: "Where the hell are you gonna go?" |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #164 |
180. you are not analyzing |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #180 |
186. What part of NOT AN ENDORSEMENT don't you fucking understand? |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #186 |
189. I am sorry |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #189 |
191. BULLSHIT. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #191 |
194. *shaking my head* |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #194 |
195. I never asked you to "prove" your bona fides. But you flat out did that to me. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #195 |
203. Yes... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #203 |
207. I never made the assertions you're laying on about me OR you. That's all in your head. |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #164 |
183. I think you're both right. Your analysis seems pretty accurate but you will find 0 agreement |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #80 |
174. Aka the corporatist party exposing itself as the REAL control of this government |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
42. Sounds like the WaPo is shit-stirring again. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
133. A friend of Howard's who posts here has been saying the same thing for weeks. |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
45. huh? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Dean wanted a position with the administration |
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camera obscura (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. to be fair Emanuel and Dean have done more than "exchange words". They've had beef since '05 |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
149. rahm"s "exchange" |
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Cults4Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #149 |
154. This is why Rahm is thought of a a scumbag by most outside |
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mahina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Agreed. Until Dean says so, I take it with a pillar of salt. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. he'll never say so directly, but that's exactly what's happening |
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Spectral Music (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
57. They used Dean to win. Now they are unloading him. No good deed goes unpunished. |
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LaPera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
58. Obama certainly has me keeping my "back to the wall" His support for the FISA (domestic spying) bill |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
59. Dean should have got education. |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #59 |
134. He's getting an education, along with the rest of us. |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
61. Dean deserves so much more. He is the reason we took back |
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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
88. We are so tremendously fucked in 2010. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #88 |
148. That's what I'm thinking |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #88 |
176. The test market for the Hope Change Believe effort was the MA governor's race. |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #176 |
193. Off topic......but OMG! Your sig line gif is freakin' adorable....made my day! n/t |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #193 |
198. Heh heh. |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
126. I'm for Dean. He could do any job given him. I say we need a petition sent to Obama and |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #126 |
137. I agree 100%. I stand with Dean over anybody else, even Obama |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #137 |
157. If I hear someone from the right attacking the Clintons, I will defend them when I can, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
132. Anyone hear from Howard lately? K&R |
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Sultana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
136. .. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
143. I was a major Deaniac in 2004. I'm saddened to see him so marginalized. |
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2Design (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #143 |
152. me too - I voted for him in the primary - n/t |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 08:42 AM Response to Reply #143 |
155. ditto |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
161. I am SHOCKED I tell you! |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
162. Obama chose Rahm over Dean... simple as that |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
169. I registered as a Democrat the day Dean took over the DNC! I might leave if he's pushed out... |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
170. I swear I hate the Democrats almost as much as I hate the Republicans |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
172. Reminds me of Heisman trophy arguments |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #172 |
175. It's not just picking candidate X, but picking a TEAM of candidate X's! There's a pattern here... |
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whistler162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
177. Yup okay sure........:rolleyes: |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
179. Dean Seems to Have a Great Deal In Common With Al Gore |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
190. Dean has become our party's John the Baptist figure |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-08 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
197. Who wants to bet this turns into another WARREN THREAD?? |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #197 |
211. It's never too late... |
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