Instead of believing Dick Cheney, I'd rather hope this is true

[ProSense]

Not sure if this report is accurate: War crimes can't be forgotten or excused:

This just in: We are finally getting somewhere in Washington. U.S.

Sen. Barbara Boxer, (D-Calif.) has asked U.S. Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass), incoming chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, to "hold a hearing on the use of torture and its impact on U.S. moral standing in the world. The last eight years have been a dark chapter for U.S. global leadership and have left a deep stain on our moral authority."

[beachmom]

1. I hope it happens. nt

[mmonk]

2. What type of hearing will it be?

One shown only on C-Span and not covered by any news networks or something real?

[FLAprogressive]

3. Hmm...notice their names are not Jane Harman, Nancy Pelosi, or Harry Reid?

[ProSense]

4. Notice, Cheney is still a liar?

Sorry, not playing into the "I really believe the Dems are complicit so they must be" nonsense. The facts are clear.

I want to see Bush/Cheney and their gang of war criminals prosecuted. If anyone else is implicated so be it. Right now, I'd rather deal with facts, which have never passed through Cheney's lips.

[mmonk]

5. If so, then why were there no investigations nor impeachments

for violations and crimes?

[ProSense]

6. So Cheney is suddenly telling the truth because there were no impeachment hearings? n/t

[mmonk]

12. Your words.

The lies of one does not negate the dishonesty of another. Telecom immunity is kind of strange if there is no belief of any violation of law. Enacting laws counter to habeas corpus, the same.

[polmaven]

21. Sure...

All of a sudden he is an upstanding pillar of our government....Didn't you get the memo?

[FLAprogressive]

7. Don't tell the kool-aiders this.

There is absolutely no way anyone with a "D" next to their name can be bad to some......

[ProSense]

8. Go ahead and believe whatever you want to, but skip the name calling.

It's a sure sign that your argument is weak.

[FLAprogressive]

10. You just cannot admit that Pelosi and Reid are complacent in BushCo. spying.....nt

[ProSense]

11. Do you have proof?

Other than Cheney's words?

[mmonk]

13. Some circumstantial evidence

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/06/eff-obtains-new-fisa-bill-containing-telecom-immun

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/07/15/complicity/

[ProSense]

14. Some

facts

[mmonk]

15. Some more

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664.html

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/03/harman-its-not.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,181012,00.html

[ProSense]

17. Not sure what those reports are supposed to prove.

No one is disputing the briefings, they are detailed at the link I provided.

[mmonk]

18. Nor I, yours.

Maybe we should quit while we're ahead. I do think though Democrats knew of illegal or questionable activity. There are no reasons to by pass so much law and Constitutional restraints or retroactively fix things through new powers and laws.

[ProSense]

20. "I do think though Democrats knew of illegal or questionable activity." Says it right here

Cheney: We Asked If We Needed Approval For Wiretapping, Congress Told Us ‘Absolutely Not’
In an interview with Fox News’s Chris Wallace yesterday morning, Vice President Cheney defended the Bush administration’s warrantless wiretapping program, and claimed that the congressional leaders briefed on the program wholeheartedly approved. In fact, Cheney claimed, when the White House asked if it needed congressional approval for the program, they unanimously agreed it did not:

<...>

Cheney’s startling claims run directly counter to accounts by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV). Rather than asking for congressional input, Pelosi and Rockefeller said in 2005 that Cheney simply informed them of what was going on — and ignored their objections:

<...>

Other congressional members who attended those briefings have said that they were told only the barest outlines of the program. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Jane Harman (D-CA) said that the White House never disclosed that it was skirting the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to eavesdrop on Americans without warrants. Former Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL) said the same thing:

<...>

What’s more, Rockefeller, then vice-chairman of the Intelligence Committee, wrote a hand-written letter to Cheney in 2003 to “reiterate concerns” about the wiretapping program. “I feel unable to fully evaluate, much less endorse these activities,” he wrote.

Cheney claims to have suggested seeking congressional approval right away. However, the White House put up a stiff fight just a few years later, when Congress finally sought to impose oversight of the wiretapping program. The Vice President has already presented misleading infomration about the dates and frequency of these supposed briefings; now he appears to be offering misleading descriptions of them.

After the fact and with no intention of stopping. Bush/Cheney are war criminals, and I have no doubt Cheney is trying to cover his ass.

[mmonk]

22. IMO I think during and yes, Cheney is covering his ass, we agree.

[Fumesucker]

9. Actually, facts have indeed passed through Cheney's lips..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I

[mmonk]

16. Truth depends on his objective at the time.

[Starry Messenger]

19. My two favorite Senators!

Yes, thank you. I hope this is accurate, too.