Rick Warren pulls anti-gay language from his Web site

[Are_grits_groceries]

"So Rick Warren pulled the anti-gay language from his church Web site. The site used to explicitly ban gays from membership in the church."


"Now the offending language is gone, but you can still find the anti-gay language via Google's cache.

So does Rick Warren now welcome gays, all gays, as members of his church? Or is he simply embarrassed of his views - embarrassed of God's views, per Warren's own admission? And if Warren is embarrassed of God's views, then what is he doing as a public spokesman on religion?"

http://www.americablog.com/2008/12/rick-warren-pulls-anti-gay-language.html

Hmmmmmmmmm..........

[CTyankee]

1. He's embarrassed? Good! Nothing like a good public shaming...

I guess we know now what Obama was up to. He had to have had this agreed to before he let Warren do the invocation...

[antipode]

5. No way. Obama's no dope, if that were a quid pro quo he'd have insisted on it BEFORE the invitation

...

[CTyankee]

9. I think he did. It's just a guess, but I think he pretty much told Warren that the invocation

was conditional on Warren's showing true willingness to make some changes.

My question now is how far those changes go and are they authentic? We shall see...

[antipode]

16. Well, I don't think deleting a couple of sentences from a web page is an epiphany

of any substance. We shall see...holding my breath I am not.

[madeline_con]

37. It wasn't a couple of sentences, here's the entire page...

http://www.saddlebackfamily.com/maturity/fullstory.asp?id=5492

[antipode]

45. So that page is still up, but they removed some of another one that said gays aren't welcome

in their church? I never saw that original one so I don't know exactly what was being praised after the change. I just meant I don't believe the Saddlebackers have changed their spots...they're certainly capable of a little misdirection by selective editing.

[CTyankee]

48. WE should all the sceptical until we see how this plays out.

The fact is, we just don't know. It will be phony or it will be real. And for once, could we have a press that doesn't dress up things they know isn't true about a "ranch>"?

[antipode]

52. Right we really don't know at all. Good point about the ranch...

I don't believe a guy like Warren can come anywhere close to a reversal of position on this...it wouldn't even benefit him - at least not for a very very long time.

[mondo joe]

30. No, just getting more covert.

[Phred42]

2. Until after Jan 20?

:eyes:

[NJmaverick]

3. I guess this would fall under the catagory of a step in the right direction

even if it's a baby step.

[Hieronymus]

4. I heard this on Hardball. Eugene Rivers was on .. that condescending

piece of shit.

[PerpetuallyDazed]

6. I hope he's embarrassed and learning the folly of his ways...

If it weren't for his hate speech, I would be inclined to put him into the "decent evangelical" column. People DO change... look at Sen. Byrd... he used to be a huge freakin' racist!

[CTyankee]

44. I saw Rivers and I don't think his was "hate speech". I think the guy was just clueless.

No hate,just clueless about what is going on. He didn't seem to "get it". I couldn't understand his problem was.

It was kind of a "senior moment" for MSNBC...

[sarcasmo]

7. Keep after him and don't let up. Kick and Nom.

[Mz Pip]

8. For all the heat Obama has taken

it is good to know that as a consequence Warren has gotten quite a bit of flak as well.

I never heard of the guy before that Faith Forum Debate. I didn't know warren's positions on issues, or anything about what he's been on record as saying.

This brouhaha has pulled the mask off the face of Rick Warren. I think we all know a whole lot more about him than we ever did before. Maybe that's a good thing.

Obama got more than he expected but then so did Rick Warren.

[ronnykmarshall]

10. Maybe he should sew his mouth shut?

Step in the right direction my foot.

[WillParkinson]

11. I believe I read...(don't quote me)

That he believes you can "pray way the gay" and runs a ministry service that promotes such a belief.

[Jamastiene]

12. It's a CYA move.

Cover Your Ass, meaning, him covering his own ass.

[BR_Parkway]

13. Not surprising - nothing, not one thing can stand in the way of the image

that brings in the money. It's called marketing.

[KansDem]

14. "God's words have the power to change our lives"

So God's words have changed Rev. Rick and he nows accepts the homosexual lifestyle! Praise the Lord!!!

[librechik]

15. exactly. Obama is forcing Rick to eat his words by shining a big spotlight

on his hypocrisy. The speech he gives will be a mea culpa and a request for unity (my assessment)

[antipode]

20. He's not giving a speech.

Unless Obama has recently given him yet another plum.

[Fumesucker]

22. It may have been Obama that set this up...

But it is gays and their supporters who have done the actual spotlight shining.

I'm waiting for a public recantation before I bite on this though.

[mondo joe]

34. Eating his words would be saying he wrong. Not just getting more covert.

:eyes:

[Bluebear]

41. He's not eating his words. He's just hiding them.

[CTyankee]

49. I hope for unity but I don't expect a mea culpa (check back with me on Jan. 20).

I think he may say something in the way of inclusiveness. I don't expect him to give a big, blanket acceptance of gay marriage, but he may hint at being more than open to suggestion...

[CTyankee]

54. I think so, but he may go just so far and no further. It might be too uncomfortable for him.

But, who knows? He might make a full scale conversion...

I kinda doubt it. YOu really can't upstage the president at his own inaugural, can you?

[Phentex]

17. I guess he got my e-mail!

:woohoo:

[DainBramaged]

18. He's gonna wash teh gay right out of his web

[Warren Stupidity]

23. Oh great. Now I have a mental picture of Warren chanelling Mary Martin

as Nellie Forbush singing I'm Gonna Wash That Man Right Out of My Hair.

Thanks a lot.

[DainBramaged]

24. And THAT is the image I got in my twisted head watching him skip down the church aisle

like Mary martin. I swear that's why I wrote that. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[EFerrari]

31. LOL

:rofl:

[ruggerson]

38. better that than Peter Pan

I suppose

[Mari333]

19. too late, rickyboy. nt

[EFerrari]

21. Bookmarking! I've been waiting for this to happen. Thank you!

[immoderate]

25. I predicted this in a few of my posts.

I said that Obama's invitation would put Warren in the bulls eye. I think that Obama considered this possibility among the contingencies.

--IMM

[EFerrari]

28. You were 'way ahead of me. n/t

[immoderate]

29. Yeah, but I was just as mad as you.

And I am still bothered with Rick Warren being there with his prayer. The thing is that I saw this as putting incredible pressure on Warren, as opposed to if Obama had ignored him. I thought that all the howling would neutralize Warren.

Apparently, this all has forced Warren to moderate his approach. (And usually, I'm no fan of moderation. :) )

--IMM

[yowzayowzayowza]

26. Excellent! Keep up the pressure. n/t

[jtrockville]

27. Maybe there should be a rush of teh gay to his church now?

Just to see if it was a PR move or a change of heart?

[4 t 4]

36. post # 3 Good point, baby steps

everyone that has been really upset with Obama might want to take a step back. He may just be what we need now. Keep your friends close , but keep your enemy's closer. Have we learned nothing from the Godfather ?

[Strathos]

32. The bottom line for people like Rick Warren, M-O-N-E-Y

He's afraid of losing those millions he's raking in and knows blatant bigotry is a sure road to alienation.

[McCamy Taylor]

33. Public pressure works. Good job. Keep it up and he may see the light by Jan. 20!

[mondo joe]

35. What was achieved? Did he change his policies, or just disguise them?

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. I'll go with - - disguised them.

[CTyankee]

50. This is a good question. It remains to be seen what he will do down the line.

We don't know how hard line he is, so we can't say, can we?

I have given Obama the benefit of the doubt on Warren. So far, so good. I am waiting to see what is next...

[EFerrari]

40. Yeah. Maybe he'll close up shop and go into hub caps instead. n/t

[Starry Messenger]

42. I'm glad someone got screencaps!!

I'm sure he's just going to get more covert though. Sneaky bastard.

[camera obscura]

43. Jeez, can't believe they have the self-awareness to be properly ashamed of themselves.

I'm sure it'll be back up once the furor has died down.

[SidDithers]

46. This is simply hiding his bigotry...

it in no way is a repudiation of it.

Sid

[Sultana]

47. tsk, tsk

Why for the love of God did Obama pick this guy?

[CTyankee]

51. Well, I think we are about to find out...stay tuned....n/t

[madeline_con]

53. A site search fo "homosexuality" still shows Tom's view on it.

Whoever the hell Tom is. What has been removed?

[MineralMan]

55. When Warren goes on national television and

says that he's been wrong all these years and that he now understands that same-sex marriage is just fine in the eyes of God, then I'll listen.

When he performs his first marriages between people of the same sex, then I'll know that he's changed his tune.

Until then...I don't trust this charlatan one little bit.

[JerseygirlCT]

56. Well, even embarrassment would be a positive development, IMO

the first step toward realizing he's wrong.

[noamnety]

57. I want to thank the people who stood outside his church

with giant signs calling him out for being a bigot. I wish I was out there with you all - I'd like to see him followed around like that wherever he goes, being a constant reminder to him that his hate-mongering is flapping out in the wind for everyone to see.

[Phentex]

59. Good idea!

kick

[Raster]

58. perhaps it's time for a GLBT contingent to join the good reverend's church...

and share the love.

[tbyg52]

60. Woh. I'd like to be a fly on the wall!

And I'd greatly thank the brave souls who did it!