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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:36 PM
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A Cornered Animal (Cheney, Libby and Iran)
There has been a long-ranging debate on this board over whether the US intends to attack Iran. I have been one of those who has argued that such an attack is unlikely, even farfetched, given the tactical realities in the region.

I still think such an attack is unlikely...but I have been bumped in the last 72 hours a little closer to the "It's damned possible" camp. Why? The Libby trial.

Link to original: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012607A.shtml

A Cornered Animal
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Columnist

Friday 26 January 2007

He's a ghost, he's a god,
He's a man, he's a guru,
You're one microscopic cog
In his catastrophic plan,
Designed and directed by
His red right hand...

- Nick Cave


Question: What is the connection between a possible American attack on Iran and the perjury trial of I. Lewis Libby?

Answer: Vice President Dick Cheney.

Wariness over a potential American attack on Iran has been on the rise for months. This wariness became outright fear in certain circles as last November's midterms approached; the idea of an Iran assault being used as the "October Surprise" to change the electoral geometry was bandied about extensively. No such attack came, but attention has not wandered far from the possibility since.

Concerns rose again over the last several weeks after Bush's poorly-received speech justifying the "surge" of US troops into Iraq. A centerpiece of that speech was his blunt threat to the government in Tehran about any meddling with the situation in Baghdad. Astute observers of the Iraq situation found this threat both odd and disturbing.

On the one hand, it is axiomatic by now that the Shia majority in Iraq's government is being guided by the Shia government in Iran. This victory for Iran was made possible by our invasion and occupation of Iraq, and by our ham-fisted manufacturing of a shaky Shia-dominated government. The alliance was almost fated to happen after our invasion, which makes barking at Tehran today because of our actions these last few years almost too absurd to comment on. Mr. Bush gift-wrapped Baghdad for Iran, and quacking about it now is a useless gesture.

On the other hand, however, we are dealing with an American government that has allowed wars in Afghanistan and Iraq to spiral into chaos. The brain-trust surrounding Mr. Bush had, at virtually every turn, made the exact wrong decision at every available opportunity. They invaded Afghanistan, but moved nearly that entire force into Iraq for the invasion and occupation there, thus allowing the Taliban to regain control again. They invaded Iraq - itself a calamitous decision - with a small force that was not prepared to fight a years-long urban warfare conflict that has transmogrified into a vicious sectarian civil war.

This list goes on, and is almost entirely comprised of decisions made with mean considerations of domestic politics in mind. To dismiss out of hand the idea that these same people might embark upon an equally foolish course against Iran is folly.

The combination of Iranian influence over Iraqi politics, bombast from the Bush administration, their execrable decision-making to date, and the fact that a second US carrier battle group has steamed into the Persian Gulf is disquieting in and of itself. If you add to this already-volatile mix the perjury trial of Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the potential for an explosion increases by orders of magnitude.

Why does Libby's trial matter in this? It matters because of Dick Cheney.

News reports of the opening statements from both prosecutors and defense attorneys appear to place Mr. Cheney at or near the center of the plot to out former CIA agent Valerie Plame. The defense, in a surprise move, went so far as to describe Libby as a "scapegoat" for White House actions against Plame, which were done to silence Iraq critic Ambassador Joseph Wilson. As this trial proceeds and more witnesses testify, the trail of evidence could very well lead to the Vice President's door.

The importance of this possibility lies in the power wielded by Cheney. Only the most devout Bush-worshippers continue to believe he is the master of events in the Executive branch. Everyone else has correctly concluded that the ideological fuel and bureaucratic muscle in this administration flows from Cheney.

Though his policy initiatives are greeted with failure after failure, though the poll numbers continue to wither, Cheney and the remaining true-believers continue to slog onward, dragging all of us deeper into the morass. Should the trial of Libby present a definitive threat to the political standing and power of Dick Cheney, all bets may be off regarding Iran. We will be faced with the possibility that an attack may be ordered for no better reason than to redirect attention and change the subject.

An attack on Iran would be calamitous on many levels: our military is already strained to its limits, our forces in Iraq would be left wide-open to counterattack, the home front would be susceptible to terror attacks by Iranian special forces, and the missile batteries arrayed across the Iranian mountains overlooking the Persian Gulf would wreak devastating havoc on our fleet.

Sober heads see an attack on Iran as both essentially baseless and an invitation to a widening war we are not prepared to fight, thanks to Iraq. Because of this, the idea that such an attack may be undertaken is not considered a pressing reality by many analysts. Ali Larijani, Iran's top national security official, shares this view. "The possibility of this is very weak, and it's more a matter of psychological warfare," said Larijani on Thursday. "The Islamic republic's armed forces are in a state of complete readiness and are monitoring everything in order to give a crushing response to even the smallest aggression or threat." Larijani concluded his remarks by stating, "I advise Mr. Bush and his advisors to be rational and think about their own nation's interest."

This would be sage advice if Mr. Bush were the one doing the thinking. These days, all the thinking and management is being done by Dick Cheney, and if this Libby trial comes to pose a danger to his standing, all the sober analysis by policy experts may turn to dust. Nothing is more dangerous, after all, than a cornered animal.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:41 PM
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1. Will ya need to come out of Denial and in Reality
your getting there

Honey we are going into WWIII whether the world likes it or NOT

Evil is fighting its last gasp

Cheney is mad and so is Bush
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 06:22 PM
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29. True re denial, altho
he's still got it all wrong. Iran would be scheduled to happen regardless of the LIbby trial.



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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:42 PM
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2. WP - Outstanding - K&R - a very sobering reflection on our current state of affairs.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:46 PM
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3. Scary stuff - KnR n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:46 PM
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4. Definitely a possibility we all have to look out for (sad to say).
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Lowell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:49 PM
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5. Cornered Yes, wounded, not yet
wait until Cheny is actually wounded by all this and then we will see him flailing in all directions. These psychos need to be removed quickly before they wreck anymore damage.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:50 PM
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6. Part of the discussion this morning...
...was on newly announced plans to "kill or capture" Iranians in Iraq. In an earlier post I pointed out that US troops cannot visually identify an Iraqi from an Iranian and have not been loathe to fire on any percieved threat. Therefore, parsing the Bushspeak, we are left with "capture",which is of course the only means by which we can identify Iranians.Till now captured Iranians have been released and in many cases expelled.I can only assume therefore is that the "new" part of our tactics will be to hold indefinitely (Gitmoize) foreign nationals in violation of international law.I wonder if Mr Larijani will consider this "even the smallest aggression or threat"??? I wonder if that is the intention...
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:50 PM
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7. Dick Cheney is the movie mobster in the corner, surrounded by 'coppers',
vowing never to be taken alive. He cares for nothing but Dick Cheney. He is a very dangerous wounded animal.

And all those fundy graduates from the Air Force Academy in recent years scare me. There are too many well armed fanatics (on both sides of the abyss) with high tech weaponry just begging for one more Crusade...

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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:51 PM
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8. an attack on Iran was always in the neocon cards.
they want to reshape the middle east, period.
I understand the argument it would be a strategic blunder, but frankly, the neocons have been running this show EXACTLY the way they wanted to, and the whole point of 14 permanent military bases and Bush's presidential palace the size of the vatican was to use the strategic location and oil resources of Iraq to fund and coordinate their takeover of the entire Middle East.
There's clues everywhere, if you choose to see them.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:54 PM
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10. Yes.
The story Americans can't get into their heads turns out to be the real one.
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 02:14 PM
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19. Yes. Dick still believes that complete . . .
. . . dominance of the area is possible.

He's mad as a hatter, but it's still his plan, and he's still holding the cards.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 02:22 PM
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23. exactly my point. Whether its strategically unsound or not, it doesn't matter
its what they have always intended to do, and they don't show any signs of abandoning the plan for "global leadership", or more commonly known as "world domination".



"World DOMMMMINNNNAAATTTTIIIOONNNNNN!!!!!"

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:52 PM
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9. I agree one hundred percent, although not a newcomer to this idea. While the
Libby trial is so damning to the administration, it is only one of many things that could bring this cabal down. Subpoena power by the Dems is definitely a threat to the WH, and they need a major event to distract the public (esp since Am Idol is getting sucky reviews this season-sarcasm)

I watched Joe Scarborough last night to hear Lawrence O'Donnell's take (but he had technical difficulites), but both Joe and Pat Buchanan seemed genuinely concerned about Iran. Mike Barnicle, too, was very concerned. These are dangerous times.

Nice to see you quote Nick Cave-hope we can rid this country of our "bad seeds" before it is too late!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:55 PM
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11. Well said, Mr. Pitt.
Very well said, indeed. Thank you.

Recommended.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:55 PM
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12. At the SOTU....
I couldn't help but notice that Cheney was sitting there through most of it with a "Why do we have to do this shit?" look on his face. He looked thoroughly disgusted that the Pres would have to waste time polishing the knobs of the unwashed masses. His look said, "Fuck this explaining everything shit. Let's just do it."

He's an evil bastard.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:58 PM
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13. The way he was staring people down, I had the impression
he was taking down names of people he would like to invite on his next quail shoot.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:59 PM
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14. we should always assume the worst from these cretins
Bush Looking To Provoke Iran To Validate His Iraq Occupation

Bush is now intent on re-invading the Iraqi neighborhoods with our nation's defenders in a cynical attempt to provoke a response from Iran, and to draw Iran into his rhetorical web of blame for the violent consequences of his own military aggression in Iraq and in the region . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=46773&mesg_id=46773
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_ron_full_070126_bush_looking_to_prov.htm
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 02:02 PM
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15. We got your old tinfoil hat here all ready for you to put back on.
Now put that hat on and sit on down with the rest of us idjits. The propeller looks good on you.

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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 02:04 PM
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16. Eeeeeeeeep
I've been holding my own paranoia and fear over an attack on Iran at bay by using you as my barometer on when it was time to start worrying. Now...I'm worrying. :scared:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 02:13 PM
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17. They always intended
Edited on Fri Jan-26-07 02:16 PM by PATRICK
and have acted accordingly without ceasing. Only some PR drawing down, but NO full retreat. It is still in progress, and it is hard to detect any changes except in secondary actors and surface things. Whether anything has even affected the schedule is as hard to determine than any sign that it has been held in check at all.

Inevitability continues and it is more visible outside our media cover than in the US proper. Cheney has to go. Israel has to be helped cautiously to screeching halt. Probably some action by them would assist the American plan if Congress checked its implementation. The physical forces have to be redeployed away from the Iranian waters as well as out of Iraq. Luckily it is all our side, Israel and the US that is the aggressive danger and we DO have a reach on our madmen short of violence.

And still, as in Iraq, attention and effort is not being concentrated against this inevitability. Even the peace movement still drills against the Iraq occupation and the so-called surge. Too late for any success there not to be overwhelmed by a jump against Iran.

Bush denied his cronies is incapable of doing anything and by definition, cronies gone, mad orders have little chance of getting implemented no matter what. Some attrition there but not enough. Cheney should go. The "resigners" should be further distanced. The new commanders should carefully be deprived of initiatives beyond Iraq. Israel needs more than cautious affirmations that ring almost bizarre in their irrelevance.

So what is happening for all that except waiting for the next boom to fall?

I would like to see Bushco staring at the Iranian border like the Germans near Moscow, the high water mark of the tide and the signal of the path to sure defeat. We may never know when that moment has occurred, but with the push button toys at Bush's command it is unlikely that moment is yet.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 02:14 PM
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18. That is immediately what I thought when I heard the news from the Libby trial.
I didn't necessarily know *what* Cheney would do but I knew he would do something.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 02:14 PM
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20.  I have felt this way for a while now
The Libby trial is all it takes for cheney and those who back him to divert the attention of the nation by yet another long planned war game .

I agree with the cornered animal theory completely .

Each day lately the idea and news surrounding an attack on Iran makes it all seem much more of a reality than a passing thought . The heat has been turned up much closer to a boil .
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 02:19 PM
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21. His television appearances . . .
. . . bear this out. He's under extraordinary pressure, and his viciousness is no longer contained before the public eye. His face and body language show that he's truly capable of lashing out now. He's already awash in blood . . . and deep down, he likes it.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 02:21 PM
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22. Will - only one point of contention here, in an otherwise perfect analysis.
The Islamic republic's armed forces are in a state of complete readiness and are monitoring everything in order to give a crushing response to even the smallest aggression or threat." Larijani concluded his remarks by stating, "I advise Mr. Bush and his advisors to be rational and think about their own nation's interest."

This would be sage advice if Mr. Bush were the one doing the thinking.

I think you give bush too much credit here. Even without cheney prodding, I am not confident, in the least, that bush doing the thinking would produce a satisfying or reasonable reaction.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 02:44 PM
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24. Cheney is half-dead already. Does he really give a damn about anything?
Anything but maintaining his own power, that is? He can't do that from prison. He can't do that if he's no longer VP. He can't do that if he's nuetered and isolated. He's got to do something while he still can.
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 02:48 PM
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25. I wonder if the idea of attacking Iran is so obviously wrong the military wouldn't do it
In theory, the president is the commander in chief and what he says goes.

However, this situation is pretty twisted.

First of all, there is no IWR giving him a license to attack Iran. Short of an attack on us by Iran, he won't get it.

Secondly, the career military officers have to know that a)we're in no condition militarily to attack Iran and b)Bush/Cheney has a screw loose c)it is not in the national interest to attack anybody.

It's bad enough that we invaded Iraq using the same trumped up excuse Hitler used to invade Poland. How many more war crimes to these generals want to be involved with?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 03:28 PM
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26. We are a very long way from there.
The military will do what it is told to do. The Air Force is hugely infiltrated by the fundaloons, they will have no problem sending the heathens to hell. It is a big old mess and there may in fact be no way to stop it, but we sure as heck should not stop trying.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 11:15 PM
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30. Let's hope the new generals won't go there. Let's hope the next ones will
resign like the last. Or, it could be the last were asked to do this and let go......
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 03:58 PM
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27. Can We Impeach Now? ... (Or Else?)
Can we return to non-beltway reality?

Can we admit that "all the sober analysis by policy experts" has been "dust" for 6 years? That it has effected no action, on any front, in all that time?

Can we at long last realize that Only Impeachment can cause these neofascists beasts to even look up from their rancid, meglomaniacal, ideological, faith-based bone?

Can we finally demand that someone stop the impotent, masturbatory whining and DO something?

Just asking.

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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 03:58 PM
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28. I have to believe that someone along the line has cut the wires
and even if cheney were to go off the deep end the bomb wouldn't detonate. It's in nobodies interest but crash and the few remaining koolaid drinkers to embark down this path, I can't see the military wanting it, they would get mauled, not just a bloody nose, but a serious beatdown. I can't see business wanting this, they just want to make money, dominating their special field, but, hardly world domination.
There are people in government, Senators, Congress people who have been there a long damn time and are not without some power themselves, they can do something, I don't see myself as being anything other than an unwilling participant.
That's why I'm hoping that even if someone goes ratshit insane and pushes the plunger they're going to be like Marvin the Martian holding their ears and wondering where the earth shattering kaboom is.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 11:22 PM
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31. It's true: Dictators always resort to a bloodbath. But, I think it will be their downfall.
If the * /Cheney cabal feel they have no options they'll do anything. However, I think it would be their undoing. I think the GOP won't rally behind them, and we'll impeach to take them out of power. Kucinich has already lobbed that threat at them publicly, as has Hagel.

Kennedy has been awake for a while now, and Edwards is screaming from the rooftops.

Even Hillary is talking retreat.

I think they're on thin ice, and if they try this, the military will balk.

At that point, the US will right itself and throw them in the brig.

And I think everyone's been waiting for Fitz to uncover the evidence for us.

I see this as the natural push-back to all the constitutional degradation we've all suffered. And we've finally got the house and senate majorities to do it.

I think this would give us the 17 GOP senators we need for impeachment.

That's all we need: 17. Not so much, compared to invading Iran and the ensuing loss of life.
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