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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:02 PM
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Please, Don't tell me they've sunk to such depths to lie about this
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/21/iraq/main2591791.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_2591791

U.S.: Use Of Deadly Roadside Bomb Plunges
Military Tells CBS News Decrease May Be Linked To Arrest Of Iranians, Baghdad Crackdown

After warning that the threat of deadly EFPs, or Explosively Formed Penetrators, was growing at an alarming rate, the U.S. military now says there's been a "dramatic" decrease in the use of the powerful roadside bombs.

EFPs "can punch through most of the armor out on the battlefield today," Army Lt. Col. Christopher Garver, a U.S. military spokesman said of the devices, which U.S. officials have said come from Iran.

They are blamed for more than 170 American deaths since 2004, when they first appeared on the battlefield. More than 600 American troops have been wounded by the bombs. EFPs account for a small percentage of the roadside bombs in Iraq, but they are responsible for a disproportionately high number of casualties.

Garver says EFP attacks have dropped significantly since December.

"In February, we noticed a 77 percent decrease in explosively formed penetrators being detonated against our troops, a 74 percent decrease in the number of troops wounded and a 64 percent decrease in the number of troops killed" by the devices, he said.

The reported decrease came as the U.S. military offered to reporters what it said was proof that weapons like EFPs were being manufactured in Iran. The Iranian government has denied any involvement in providing weapons or material support to Iraq's insurgency.

According to Garver, the reasons for the marked drop in EFP incidents could include the detention of three Iranians in Baghdad in December. One of the men was believed to be a high-level Operations Officer with the Quds Force of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard.

Garver says the men were suspected of involvement with weapons smuggling.

Most EFP attacks have occurred in Baghdad, and another reason for their decrease may be the ramped-up presence of U.S. and Iraqi troops in the capital due to the ongoing security crackdown.

The city is surrounded by checkpoints, the most critical of which are to the south, according to American military commanders who believe most weapons find their way into Baghdad from that direction.

The next brigade of U.S. troops arriving in Iraq as part of President Bush's troop surge will head south of Baghdad to help choke off those smuggling routes.

"We have to control what we call the belts, to the north, west and south. We're going to have troops in each of those areas, the south being a priority for the next group of troops coming in, to prevent weapons from coming back in once we've cleared them all out of Baghdad," Garver said.



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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:06 PM
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1. Use of CHLORINE bombs growing by LEAPS and BOUNDS!
More bang for the buck with those, too...
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:07 PM
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2. Curfews, additional troops, total occupation will drop death toll
We can just stay there forever, right? See the truth at www.icasualties.org
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:15 PM
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3. This a classic predator prey-style arms race...
1. USA identifies weapon
2. Takes action to counteract
3. Deaths decline
4. Guerrillas experiment with new weapon/tactic
5. Deaths rise again
6. Return to 1.


Until something is done to stem the underlying motivation this will never end. Even killing the guerrillas won't work because with a population of millions of disaffected Iraqis, recruitment will always outstrip attrition unless the underlying motivation is removed.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:26 PM
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6. Indeed, but due to the technical limits of the populace
it may take some time to cycle through.
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:31 PM
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7. An interesting empirical question...
what is the average time to development of new weapons/tactics? It would be very interesting to view a time line of most lethal weapons, death rates, SOP changes, etc.. I wonder if it would mirror some evolutionary model.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:16 PM
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4. Just off the top of my head
The Iranians would never be arming Sunnis with EFPs. That means it was likely the Shia who were mostly using them -- and the Shia are laying low right now so the US can do their dirty work (wiping out the Sunni insurgents and radicals) for them.

So a drop in EFP use since December is highly predictable.
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 10:21 PM
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5. Surge is working...
They probably released this info to provide evidence that the surge is 'working'.

Or perhaps they are trying to open up a dialog with Iran (via the Iraq gov't) and it would be easier if they stopped throwing out accusations.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 07:57 AM
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8. Right - you got my point. They are lying about success - lying
to make it look good. But, there are corpses - people dying. And to base a lie,
on this, for political expediency is a true travesty.

But, I guess, what would you expect from a regime that disregarded human life to
lie us into an invastion?
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