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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 07:29 AM
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2010 Ford Fusion/ Mercury Milan hybrids coming out this
spring are certified by the EPA at 41 MPG city and 36 MPG highway. Beating the Toyota Camry hybrid by 8 MPG city and 2 MPG highway, it also tops the smaller and lighter Honda Civic hybrid in MPG.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/23/ap/business/main4683743.shtml
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 07:39 AM
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1. I'm waiting for the fully electric models, like the Chevy Volt.
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 07:56 AM
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2. Fully electric cars
are NG for us city dwellers.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 08:09 AM
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4. Fully electric cars are best suited for city dwellers,
especially those who normally bicycle to work or school. The average round-trip commute in the U.S. is 20 miles according to the 2000 report from the Bureau of Transportation Statistics, which leaves a lot of reserve battery power left for errands.


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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:58 PM
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13. Oh yeah
Where is the average city dweller going to recharge? You park on the street, sometimes blocks from your apartment/house (depending on your neighborhood. Lucky for me most times I find a spot on my block)

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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 12:37 PM
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7. I think the Volt looks excellent for city driving
but the Fusion would be a better all around car. Hasn't GM said they haven't even fully developed a battery for it yet. From what I read the Fusion will also run on full battery power up to 47 MPH, that should cover most all city driving. How does a hybrid's heater work with no gas engine, do they have electric resistance elements?
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:58 PM
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14. Where is the city dweller
going to plug in to recharge?
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:59 PM
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15. Where is the city dweller
going to plug in to recharge?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 08:00 AM
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3. the ford escape hybrid platform has the same mpg as camry hybrid
the fusion/milan are world class automoblies
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 08:11 AM
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5. If only they could design a car that didn't look like a 1970 reject.
WTF is up with their design teams.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 12:28 PM
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6. What are you talking about every article
I have seen in automotive magazines compliment the styling on the Fusion. If you ask me I think Toyota could certainly improve the Prius design, that's the biggest reason I wouldn't by one. I want a car that looks like a regular car, the Civic hybrid appeals more to my tastes. The new Honda Accord is another car that looks like it was designed by a committee.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 12:41 PM
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8. I think the Fusion is a nice looking car.
...a whole lot better looking than the Camry and Accord. The Escape, however, needs to be updated.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 05:50 AM
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19. What would you expect to autozines to say?
They say what their advertiser's want them to say. You're entitled to your opinion. Like they say, there's no accounting for taste.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 12:46 PM
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9. i couldn't agree more...
when carmakers switched to wind tunnels and computers to design their cars, style went out the window and hasn't been seen since.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 12:48 PM
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10. To clarify, the Civic Hybrid is rated at 40 mpg city, 45 mpg highway -
the Ford/Mercury platform apparently has a stronger electric motor relative to the gasoline engine, thus accounting for the better city performance.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/hybrid_sbs.shtml
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 01:31 PM
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11. Wow, this looks pretty interesting and I was bummed that I just bought a Prius...
until I looked up the Fusion's pricetag. $27,000 for the base model!

http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-fusion-hybrid.html
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 05:47 PM
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16. The price in line with the Camry hybrid it is intended to
Edited on Tue Dec-23-08 05:48 PM by doc03
compete with. It is a bigger car than the Prius and in my opinion much better looking.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 01:37 PM
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12. Looks good.
Not a great time to announce this forthcoming release, with the economy in collapse and gas prices so low.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 05:58 PM
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17. You got that right, with the gas prices low
will people pay the extra premium for a hybrid or go back to their old gas guzzlers? I really think the Big 3 have gotten a bad rap here, the American people have the attention span of a dog. If gas goes up they suddenly want a hybrid the gas goes down or we get a good snow they want a SUV, who could predict what Americans want. Last year the Prius wasn't all that popular the dealers had plenty now this year there is a waiting list. I was just talking to a guy a couple hours ago that bought a leftover 2007 Silverado crew cab diesel pickup it stickered for $43000 and he got it for $23000.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 06:02 PM
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18. One thing I like about Fusions, regular and hybrid, is the chrome three-bar grill. It's stylish.
And it only complements the body, especially the black paint models.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 06:19 AM
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20. My Honda Civic hybrid has gotten 47 mpg combined highway/city
when I was driving conservatively, 40 when I drive normally (probably best described as lead foot). Ford/Mercury is going to have to do better than that before I give up my Civic.
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