An unofficial Fuck the South thread

[lelgt60]

OK. I've had it and you're all going to suffer the incompetent writing of an engineer.

The headline reads: "Police to get training after head-scarf wearer's arrest". And what is their response? Well, as I read it, pretty damn good. The police department and judiciary of a small town in the south, DOUGLASVILLE, Georgia, do something very bad, and then...of all nasty things...apologize for it, and proceed to take ACTION to try and make sure "it never happens again". And what is the response from a DU poster?

"Good old fashioned southern stupidity".

As I responded, we all know this would never happen in the North, that incredible place where people are all enlightened and never do bad things to others. Just by living in the North, we know you're not racist, homophobic, anti-union, or pro war. And we certainly know those things about anyone living in California. Nope, no homophobes in California. Or, Republicans.

Of course, this is one of the milder comments I've seen directed against all residents of the southern US in the past few months. And, like we all want to happen, the posts of DUer's have changed my mind.

I've come to realize that the South and all residents therein are the epitome of evil. I have no sympathy for any of them. They clearly must all agree with the nasty and pervasive racism, homophobia, sexism, and chemical farming. They all hate unions and love the war in Iraq. And lets not even talk about NASCAR. Shit, what an evil thing. Not at all like the enlightened professional sports admired by so many people in the North.

If they all didn't approve of these things, they would have left. Nope, they're all evil, or complicit in evil doings. Every last one. They deserve whatever epithets we yell at them. And worse. We must all BOYCOTT THE SOUTH!!!!

Including, in the "deep" south:

1.8 million people in Georgia who voted for Obama
800,000 in Alabama who voted for Obama
4.1 million in Florida who voted for Obama
500,000 in Mississippi who voted for Obama
2.1 million in North Carolina (not really "deep") who voted for Obama
800,000 in South Carolina who voted for Obama

and, of course, the "honorary" southern state of Utah, where 300,000 people voted for Obama.

Yup, fuck every one of them.

[el_bryanto]

1. If you happen to live in the south should you boycott yourself?

Bryant

[liberalpress]

26. No! You'll go blind!

Mamma said

[awoke_in_2003]

91. Yes,

but the negative effects to the eyes can be counteracted with marijuana.

[liberalpress]

136. With the added benefit

of not recalling you just boycotted yourself and doing it again!

[Jamastiene]

81. He knows when you are sleeping.

He knows when you are awake...

He knows when you are doing THAT too. :evilgrin:

[awoke_in_2003]

92. I always wondered about CC's gender...

[NeedleCast]

2. Recommended

As a person who has traveled extensively throughout the country for many years, the two places I've been where I've seen the most overt, unapologetic racism have been rural Ohio and Pennsylvania. To pretend the southern states have any kind of monopoly on racism, conservatism, etc is to wear the most rose colored glasses.

[Winterblues]

31. Let me know when you see statues of Bedford Forest and Jefferson Davis

in Ohio or Pennsylvania. As long as the people that live there tolerate and actually encourage glorifying the South's Treason to America which was almost entirely based upon keeping blacks in slavery and then second class citizens where giving a black an education was a criminal offense.. As long as that glorification continues the South will be denigrated..

[Maru Kitteh]

57. Let me know how every human being south of the Mason-Dixon is responsible

for a few stupid statues.

While you're at it, let me know how many of those statues there are per capita and where they are. I lived in the Carolinas for 6 years and I didn't see a single one.

What a stinking pile of not very smart.

[NeedleCast]

64. I'm unsure of your point

Are you saying that statues and other symbols of the confederacy somehow make it okay for racism to exist in other areas, as long as no one is calling attention to it?

Because there are plenty of statues and monuments scattered around the country to people who may not have been shining symbols of modern progressive thinking. The north's glorious General Grant was a slave-owner, along with several other northern generals and political figures. There are many statues of Grant in the north, so please explain to my why statues of Forest and Jefferson davis are glorification of slavery and statues of Grant aren't?

Moreover, racism can mostly be attributed to rural areas...at least in my experience. I'm not saying urban areas are free from it, but there's quite a bit of evidence to support that racism and other isms that we attribute to conservatives are mostly found in rural areas in both the north and south.

[Thothmes]

108. Your proof that Grant owned slaves is.

His wife Julia Dent at one time inhereted a few slaves from here relatives.

[Rebubula]

68. Yes...

Because statues are the only indication of a locale's attitudes.

The klan is strong in Ohio and Pennsylvania - heck just ask Murtha.

Though I do agree that the South needs to let go of these old heroes - it is silly to say that means that more people in that area are racist.

Boston, MA is one of the most openly hostile place I have ever been in relation white vs black.

But...blaming a whole group of people is easier than thinking...

[nc4bo]

3. ...and a Merry FacePalm and Happy Longwalk Off A Shortcliff to you too!

We need more Yankee mentality down here, NC's working on it :D

[Pavulon]

10. Yep, that wrecked wake schools

gave us wakefield plantation. I wrote cary off as lost but wake forest is now been pulled into the collective.

Starting to look more like NJ here every day. Land of the endless strip mall.

I wonder if there is any one left up there. Then I head up for business and understand why they are all leaving.

Joking of course, we have good jobs and good housing here. That is why people move. More power to them!

As long as they dont complain about how crowded it is.

[nc4bo]

17. It's happening everywhere they can get county sewer seems like heh.

On the bright side, it did help NC turn blue this election - barely but we are blue.

Seems like everything I hear about Wake County is a mess, from what color you can paint your home to busing kids outside of their districts to planners trying to figure out how to stuff as many homes into an acre of land as possible to not having enough water for the inhabitants. Jeez.

Hopefully they'll get their isht together and learn to take the best of progress and leave the rest.

[ccharles000]

40. I am so glad I live in Guilford county(Greensboro).

[Pavulon]

52. Gtown..

hope you guys have a good holiday season that way.

[ccharles000]

59. Thanks and I hope you have a good one also.

[Political Heretic]

75. lol merry facepalm....

...awesome.

[OwnedByFerrets]

4. And that great bastian of liberalism and tolerance "California" never

does anything wrong.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/22/lesbians-gang-rape-shocks_n_153014.html

SAN FRANCISCO — A woman in the San Francisco Bay area was jumped by four men, taunted for being a lesbian, repeatedly raped and left naked outside an abandoned apartment building, authorities said Monday.

Detectives say the 28-year-old victim was attacked Dec. 13 after she got out of her car, which bore a rainbow gay pride sticker. The men, who ranged from their late teens to their 30s, made comments indicating they knew her sexual orientation, said Richmond police Lt. Mark Gagan.

"It just pushes it beyond fathomable," he said. "The level of trauma _ physical and emotional _ this victim has suffered is extreme."

Yes, I get tired of the "south is evil" threads too.

[Dorian Gray]

102. That story makes me want to scream

and it's a good reminder that hate doesn't know boundary lines. It exists in most places, even the liberal city of San Francisco.

How horrendous for that poor woman.

[Kalyke]

5. I opened this thread to blast you...

But, thankfully, I read your scribe and smiled a big, wide Southern smile.

Thank you.

I'm so tired of hearing how all my neighbors are racists (they're not) or Republicans (in my community, there are so few that all my locally-elected officials are Democrats), homophobic (considering several of the people on my street are gay couples, I highly doubt that) and anti-union (the reason my community is so Democratic is because there are so many union plumbers, electricians, Krogers' employees and tradesmen of all stripes).

I appreciate you pointing out exactly how many Southerners voted for Obama.

:hi:

[babylonsister]

6. One poster set you off? I'm sure you know not everyone has that

mentality here, though I missed that thread. As a resident of TX, we get plenty of criticism on DU, too. So, you're not alone.

[Kalyke]

7. It's not one post, sister.

I see it daily on DU and I'm sure the OP does, as well.

FWIW, I don't blast Texas, either. I'm a Tennessean... we got our nickname of The Volunteer State for helping you guys become a state. :)

[bmbmd]

104. And to thank the Great State of Tennessee

we gave them the Oilers.

[ProfessorGAC]

20. Yeah, Well I'm Still Blaming Texas For Silverspoon

Gotta blame someone! :evilgrin:
GAC

[awoke_in_2003]

94. Yes we do...

there is a lot of stupid here, but a lot of good, also. One thing we have on our side: Austin. There is no way any liberal or ex-hippy couldn't love that city. "Keep Austin Wierd"

[wolfgangmo]

115. Austin is like...

... a big cream filled gooey liberal center of a big conservative cupcake called Texas.

[KoKo]

8. Why do you put this out there without a "sarcasm" alert? Why do

you want to cause more divisiveness here? :shrug:

[varkam]

11. I think the sarcasm is apparent...

to anyone that, you know, reads the OP.

[Lex]

13. I do too.

It's abundantly clear.

[DS1]

12. Obviously you didn't fucking bother to read ANYTHING in the post

[whopis01]

127. Sarcasm doesn't have to be accompanied with a cute little picture

Swift got away without having to write the word sarcasm all over his works after all.

[LanternWaste]

9. But of course, only Southerners...

But of course, only Southerners know how to make real chili and how to bar-b-q. :evilgrin:

(With all due apologies to Northern progressives-- but only you guys really have the power to do anything about this culinary travesty...)

[Kalyke]

14. We are also the only ones who, apparently, know how to make

good biscuits and sweet tea.

I go anyplace north of Maryland and the tea - even sweet - is gross and the biscuits aren't flaky. :)

[nc4bo]

19. Don't forget perfectly prepared grits. Grits, I say!! Hear-Hear! nt

[annabanana]

76. What exactly IS a "grit" anyway?

Also, what is a "chitlin"?

[RoyGBiv]

80. Corn!

Basically, they're corn, prepared a certain way. You got your whole corn grits and your hominy grits. The former is a result of milling to a certain consistency and still has part of the bran husk. The latter has the husk removed entirely and is soaked so that the kernel swells up. It's then dried again before preparation.

As for chitlins, you don't really want to know.

[pacalo]

82. Our "yewts" are raised on them!

[Rob H.]

84. I'll tell you what chitlins are

You have to highlight below to read, just in case some DUers really don't want to know.

Highlight here -> Chitlins, also called chitterlings, are pig intestines.

If you've ever been anywhere in the vicinity of chitlins being cooked, it isn't a smell that you will easily forget. :puke:

[greguganus]

85. Grits were first made by Quaker in OHIO in 1854. Didn't start in the South.

I think it's funny how people up North don't know anything about grits, when Quaker Oats has been making them for over 150 years. SOMEBODY up there's been eating them!

[whopis01]

129. Grits have been around longer than that.

Native Americans were making them before the colonists came over. They introduced them to the colonists at Jamestown.

Even Quaker Oats acknowledges that on their site... They might have started manufacturing grits in 1854, but they were not the first to make them.

[greguganus]

132. Yep, you're right and what I should have said was

that I live in the south and mostly everyone that I have met down here from the northeast claims they have never heard of grits, which is surprising to me since a company in Ohio has been making them for over 150 years. Maybe they are a secret product shipped only to southern states in the middle of the night.

[whopis01]

147. That's my theory too

Maybe they are a secret product shipped only to southern states in the middle of the night.

I think they probably hid them on all the empty cars heading back south on the underground railroad.

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

134. Let's have a look,

The proper spelling of the word is "chitterling," or "chitterlings" in the plural. In the Southern vernacular, it is pronounced "chit-lin" or "chit-lins." It then begs the question. How do you cook a "chitlin?" It's easy, you boil the shit out of it. :hi:

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

133. Well now!

You have commented on the Holy Grail! Well said Madam!

[ProfessorGAC]

23. You Can Keep The Sweet Tea

But, i like a lot of the cuisine down south. Just not the tea!

GAC

[LanternWaste]

55. I've never tried...

I've never tried sweet tea anywhere outside of the South. Now I have a new mission-- to find out how and why those "damned yankees" have corrupted even the most gentle and refreshing of drinks... lol

[Kalyke]

66. It's all in what you get used to.

We Southerners pour gobs of sugar in it while it's freshly-brewed so that it's sticky sweet (the trick, of course, is to put mounds of ice in it when you serve it so it dilutes the syrupy aspect, while leaving the tea, itself, sweet).

Northerners, apparently, put the sugar in after it's cooled or when it's lukewarm and it doesn't permeate throughout the brew. Then they add ice to it and you can't taste anything.

(I'm married to a Bostoner - that's how I've arrived at such Yankee knowledge. LOL!)

[girl gone mad]

89. and Texans like it unsweet..

cause we're tough mofos.

:)

[awoke_in_2003]

98. My sister...

went to NY last year and asked for a glass of iced tea. The waiter looked at her like she was from outer space. Then brought a glass with ice and a cup with tea in it.

[Dorian Gray]

103. Crazy

Cause I live in NYC and I drink Iced Tea for lunch quite often. (Though it's usually served unsweetened.)

[awoke_in_2003]

105. Must have just been the place

she went.

[Odin2005]

121. New Yorkers don't know what iced tea is?

:wtf:

[awoke_in_2003]

122. Well,

the waiter at this restaurant evidently didn't. Not sure about the rest of NYC, as I have had one resident DUer set me straight.

[GreenInNC]

25. BBQ is a noun, not a verb

BBq is something you eat, not something you do.

[LanternWaste]

35. Guess it depends on where one lives...

Guess it depends on where one lives... in TX, it's both. Just another wacky colloquialism-- wonderful stuff those regional uses of language...

I think I'll bar-b-q tonight :evilgrin:

[GreenInNC]

50. soooo...

what are you going to grill?

[Maru Kitteh]

63. Grilling is not barbecuing. Those are entirely different processes.

If you stick an item on a grill over a hot flame and/or coals and cook it in a relatively short amount of time, you are grilling.


If you stick an item (usually a larger quantity than as in grilling) in a lower temperature, enclosed cooking environment and cook it for a period of several hours, oftentimes basting the item with sauce periodically throughout the process, you are barbecuing. The finished product is barbecue.

[awoke_in_2003]

99. You got that right...

you weren't always a vegan, were you?

[Obamanaut]

73. Noun, verb, adjective

http://www.yourdictionary.com/bar-b-que

Bar-B-Que (bär′bə kyo̵̅o̅′)
noun, transitive verb, adjective


This is the best bar-b-cue I’ve ever had.

Are you going to bar-b-cue venison this weekend, or just chicken?

Please pass the mild bar-b-cue sauce - the hot stuff sets my mouth on fire.

[Phentex]

90. That sums it up!

:)

[rrneck]

36. I haven't seen a decent bbq rib since I left Memphis n/t

[Lochloosa]

72. And don't forget Collard Greens.

I'll put mine up against anyone.

[awoke_in_2003]

100. Collards are good...

turnip greens are even better.

[NorthCarolina]

107. I'm with you there

collards are good, but turnip greens are the best. Can't forget the cornbread :9

[awoke_in_2003]

111. "Can't forget the cornbread"

I figured cornbread was a given.

[Jamastiene]

83. Thank you.

Now, I'm hungry. Chili, it is, then.

[Oak2004]

86. I demand an apology on the chili!

(of course I picked up my chili talents during the years I lived in Colorado. I'd never eat the crap that passes for chili up here in New England, otherwise :evilgrin: )

[awoke_in_2003]

97. You make a good point...

about the chili and BBQ

on edit: only a Yankee would put chili on spaghetti :)

[electricD]

106. wrap your head around this

BBQ spagetti

[awoke_in_2003]

112. I just threw up a little. nt

[nini]

15. good post

the broad brush generalizations on this board make me nuts. There is no one race, religion, non religion, economic status, part of the country, etc. that is better than another. All factions of our society end up with some good and bad folks in them.

If we continue to hold the stereotypes and not see the real picture we're never going to get anywhere in solving problems.

Yes, there are many assholes in the south, as there are in New England, California, Utah, New York, Oregon etc. etc etc..

[rateyes]

16. knr

[Steepler0t]

18. I am visiting New England for the holidays and...wow

I am in Jersey City, having a smoke out in front at a party.
This obviously wealthy (intoxicated) girl asked me where i was from.
I told her I was from San Francisco and having a blast here.
She said she was from Rhode Island, and asked me if I had heard of it.
I responded yes, it is the smallest state, just a bit up north of here.
She started in on this tirade of how nice RI was since we didn't have all these "Blacks and Puerto Ricans"!
I almost fell over, I love the diversity of where I am from. There were a few African American girls hanging out listening (seemed as well off as this RI girl) and they nodded and giggled.
I was a bit tipsy and just muttered something about how I love all my brothers and sisters, neighbors and damn glad they are there where I lived and beat a hasty retreat back into the party to find my friend who I came with to leave.
I never really heard that shit in the south. They seemed a bit more polite about the racism.
Maybe that's just me though.
Wherever you go these twits are about.
Regardless, I cannot wait to get home, whenever you encounter a bonehead you can at least tell up front since they have big boots and shaved heads.

[DS1]

21. RI = Armpit of New England

:)

[Steepler0t]

27. She definatly showed me this

I cannot see myself ever wanting to go there now.

[Pavulon]

39. Newark

and surrounding area. Blech. Should have used that area for a test range instead of los alamos.

Kidding of course but it does suck there.

[DS1]

42. I think they based the area where Clark Griswald gets lost in the original "Vacation" on Newark

I wouldn't even wait for red lights after dark when I was in Newark, I'd look for no cross traffic and go.

[Pavulon]

56. Irvington too

there are some high crime areas up there that put Detroit to shame. Glad I dont do much business that way anymore. Irvington is a sad mess. Felt truly sorry for the people who lived there.

Groton and Bath are cool towns. Have customers there.

We sell and setup cnc cutting gear. A guy in groton decided to see if he could beat the lockout mechanism built around a 200Ton aida press ( i dont work for them). It would sense your hand or some other object, stop and drop a barrier. Sober he tried this, none the less. 2 guys watching him do it. He won ( or lost) , guess he was pretty quick, that machine clipped 4 fingers at the first knuckle. On his right hand.

Reaction, check all the software to see how to prevent further incidents. And they say us southerns are dumb.

[pipi_k]

117. Still sucks, huh?

Last time I passed through Newark was 1973

It sucked pretty bad then

It probably only got worse after all these years...


If RI is the armpit of New England, Newark is the big weeping boil on the ass of the entire Northeast region...

:puke:

[jgraz]

71. Isn't it funny how this country seems to have a couple thousand armpits?

And quite a few assholes.

[DS1]

77. Everything scales

Liberty street is the armpit of Newburyport. Lawrence is the armpit of the Northshore. Southie is the armpit of Massachusetts. RI is the armpit of New England. South Carolina is the armpit of the East Coast. The Bible Belt is the armpit of North America. The middle east is the armpit of the planet. Neptune is the armpit of Sol. On so on.

[Fearless]

126. There's a Uranus joke in here somewhere...

:rofl:

[Sedona]

33. Bless that obviously wealthy (intoxicated) girl's heart

we must be polite after all.

:evilgrin:

[tpsbmam]

96. Most racists I ever encountered lived in MA & Chicago.....

I grew up in New York City and have moved around a lot. I've lived in the Midwest, as far west as Colorado, New England & the South (where I now live). I've heard a few idiotic & bigoted comments in the South but not many (and more were about Jewish people than they were about African Americans.....most involved comments like "She's Jewish, you know...." as if that's shorthand for knowing what traits I'm supposed to have spring into mind. When I say I don't fucking know what they mean and confront their stupidity, they always backtrack & equivocate). But the most and most glaring comments I heard were when I lived in Western MA. OMG, I was horrified at what I heard! The comments included an asshole neighbor using the n***er word -- I've never heard that word in NC.....never. It's not like it's not here, but it most certainly isn't confined to the South! Same was true in Chicago -- I heard such blatantly racist comments I was horrified! There was also more subtle racism -- I was pretty horrified at the differences in the way minority patients vs. white patients were treated in the hospital where I worked. It was subtle, but it was most certainly there. I know for sure that it's not limited to those two places, but my experience in those two locales was pretty disappointing.

[rvablue]

109. The state she was from has nothing to do with her stupidity...I'm sure

there are folks just like her living on Nob Hill and in the Marina.

[CTyankee]

140. On your way back, stop in New Haven, CT. A wonderful progressive community

that any San Franciscan could immediately love.

Home of the Amistad, Griswold v. Connecticut, and the most liberal state court decision on gay rights in the country!

I'll personally take you on a tour of the Green and you can walk on the ground where Puritan bones are buried! To where George Washington dined with CT signers of the Declaration of Independence! Come next November and I'll take you to the Yale-Harvard "The Game" at the Yale Bowl!

[evilkumquat]

22. I'm From Indiana, Almost as Far North as One Can Go...

...and I would be the first to admit we suck, too.

Indiana is one of the birthplaces of the Klan and this is the first time since Kennedy that the state's electoral college went to a Democrat.

So, yeah, fuck the south... but take some time to fuck us, too.

[rateyes]

24. OK,

consider yourself fucked. :evilgrin:

[Gato Moteado]

62. i'm an ex-neighbor of yours to the west.......

...and being born and raised in urban chicago, i did my fair share of bashing our backwards neighbors to the east. but after this year, i am so proud of the blue power in indiana. if i were still living in chicago, i'd no longer be ashamed of my hoosier brothers and sisters. of all the red states that went blue this year, indiana is my favorite. i never thought you guys would have been able to do it. but, man, did you do it! it brought tears of joy to my eyes.

whatever you did, personally, you did a great job. and i know a lot of progressive hoosiers worked hard to turn that place around. you deserve all the kudos in the world. on election night, i raised a glass high for indiana. and virginia. and NC. and FL. and all the other red states that went blue.

i lived in the south for 15 years of my life.....eleven of those years in TX. i did my fair share of southern bashing. i pissed a lot of people off here i'm sure. but never once was my bashing aimed at any DUer or any other great progressive person from the south. my bashing was aimed at the backward mentality that permeates the culture in so many southern states. yep, it exists in the north too. but it's widespread in the south....you get out of the urban centers in TX and you'll see what i mean. the bush worship was enough to make one vomit. but i lived there and i've always had nothing but the highest regard for the democrats and greens and other progressives that toughed it out in those red states. the hard work these people have done started paying off this november.

so god bless all DUers and progressives in the world.....but especially those in indiana and all the southern states. you guys are the back bone of the progressive movement. it's easy to be a lefty in chicago, new york, san francisco, etc. but being a progressive and standing up for your beliefs in rural alabama or oklahoma or arkansas or kentucky or indiana....now that's a true fighter!

here's to an even bluer south in 2012!

[jus_the_facts]

28. Blame....it's a universal thing.

:eyes:

[Ghost in the Machine]

29. I lived in Douglasville for 9 years... there's lots of "Good Ole Boy" politics there..

I worked for the City & I've seen it firsthand. There's a BUNCH of idiots in Douglas County.

[NeedleCast]

34. As opposed to, say, Illinois?

[Ghost in the Machine]

37. I don't know.. I've never lived in Illinois...

I'm sure they have idiots there, too.. but I can't speak from firsthand experience.

:hi:

[dccrossman]

30. Yeah, fuck 'em!

It's true. I live here. Place is evil.

We only like Nascar cause it reminds us of our gran-pappys runnin' shine, and tryin' to stay ahead of the law.

But I gots to get me to a revival where we gonna shoot our guns in the air and then break off into groups and look for someone to beat up. That's how we all spend our time. Causes most of the sick days down here.

Oh, and that original poster callin' for boycott? I don't know what boycott means, but don't you touch my boy.


For the high-strung, which are apparently out in force:
:sarcasm:

[reflection]

32. I asked my mom what she thought about this

and she said "how would I know, I'm your older sister. Now git outa my way while I go bring in the mud harvest."

[Kalyke]

45. That's not Southern! That's Alaskan!

Ask Bristol and Sarah.

:evilgrin:

[tbyg52]

38. Thank you.

I get tired of the kneejerk reactions. Although I'd move if I could..... ;)

[Kalyke]

47. The only place I'd move is out of the country.

As far as the US goes, I'll stay in the South. It's raining here - not snowing a-hole deep.

[tbyg52]

113. Yeah, you're right about the weather.

I've only lived in places where it snowed for very brief times, and it doesn't sound like fun, in practice. What I really meant was I wish I hadn't left San Diego. Still, I looked it up and I'm about 50 ft. higher above sea level here. But I do prefer earthquakes to hurricanes.

[Christa]

41. K & R

I transplanted from NJ to the lovely south.

And it was the best move ever.

:toast: :grouphug:

[rrneck]

43. On a hot summer Nashville afternoon

I was in a restaurant across the street from a bus stop. At the stop were two guys, one white and one black. Both wore the uniforms of men who worked on greasy machinery for a living. They looked tired, hot, dirty and ready to go home. They were both poor, else why use public transportation in Nashville? As the bus pulled up and the door flew open they both approached it at the same time. And then there was a genuine Chip and Dale moment beginning with the white guy - "after you, no after you"...

You can still hear the "N word" plenty in the south, and the "F" word is not far behind. But it's getting a lot better because the real people have to work and live together. And they need to show the powers that be how it's done.

[Strathos]

44. Realizing this is sarcasm, so I'm editing this

I'm from the south and get a little angry when people lump us all in one category. Glad to know your post wasn't serious.

[pecwae]

46. K&R

Thanks.

[bvar22]

48. Bigotry is bigotry.....

...and making sweeping hateful generalizations about the people from ANY geographical area is bigotry.

Its easy being BLUE in a BLUE State....just go with the flow.
It requires a bit more commitment, courage, and leadership to be BLUE in the rural areas of a Southern State.

If you believe that the South is a hateful place populated only with ignorant conservative bigots, them move to the South and help us change it. Your BLUE vote will weigh more here. We recently moved from the Bluest precinct of the Bluest City (Minneapolis) in a Deep Blue state to the reddest rural area in a red state, and now our local Democratic Party has two more members, and Obama got two more votes (actually more. We "gave permission" to several people to "vote for the smart guy").

We checked our precinct totals after the election. We were expecting Obama to be in single digits, but were delighted to find that out of 287 votes cast, 92 were for Obama. ...1/3 of our neighbors up in these hills voted for The Smart Black Guy!!!.

Things are slowly changing. More people like us are trickling in every day looking for the same things we love....sustainable, organic living in an unspoiled, uncrowded, unpolluted area with clean water, inexpensive property, long growing season, low energy cost and low cost of living. We absolutely LOVE living in The Rural South (though sometimes we DO feel like Missionaries).

BTW: lelgt60, I almost automatically put you on ignore with the other bigots and Rick Warren supporters, but I'm glad I read your OP.
You are now invited over to our house for Corn Bread and Green Beans.
:hi:



bvar22 & Starkraven
Ouachita Mountains, Arkansas

[Juche]

49. Fantasy is nice

But reality sucks. And in reality half of the GOP members of the senate come from the south, despite the south only making up 1/4 of the states of the union. Each state gets 2 senators, and if you assume that Franken wins in Minnesota that means that 19/26 senators in the south are republican, and 22/74 senators from the other 37 states are republicans. There is a 73% chance a senator from the south is republican, and a 30% a senator outside the south is republican. And some of the senators outside the south (like the ones in new england) are far more moderate.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/eb/111thSENATE.svg

Also, of the 173 EVs that McCain won, 113 came from the south. The other 60 came from outside the south.

I don't hate the south per se, I hate the fact that white voters in the south will support the GOP no matter how criminal or incompetent they become. 90% of white voters in Mississippi voted GOP. About 60-80% of white voters in other southern states with heavy black populations voted GOP (Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, South Carolina, etc).

What are we supposed to do? Sit by and twiddle our thumbs while our country keeps getting fucked over because a bunch of voters in the south are still pissed about the civil war? No matter how bad the GOP fucks everything up, as long as they are the party that opposed civil rights in the 1960s they can count on the support of 80% of white voters in the south.


FTR, I will admit that the south is changing a bit. There is alot of immigration into places like Charlotte and Atlanta, and that is making those states bluer. Texas is supposed to be a swing state by 2016 due to the latino population. And I know there are very progressive DU members who live in the deep south. But I can't ignore the reality that the vast majority of white voters have voted because of racial tensions for the last 150 years. When the GOP of Lincoln beat the south in the civil war, about 80%+ of the white voters in the south went democratic. In the 1950s when the democratic party started supporting civil rights, they all switched to the GOP. Now 80-90% of white voters in the deep south (Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama) vote republican.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=MSP00p1

[lelgt60]

60. Nobody's asking you to ignore anything

Or sit back and do nothing.

I, for one, think intelligent posts like yours, while critical, are helpful, in that they invite discussion of a strategy to change the situation.

But why can't you use words like "most" in your comment: "I hate the fact that white voters in the south will support the GOP no matter how criminal or incompetent they become"?

In any event, posts like yours are not the ones I was complaining about.

[MADem]

51. Why do you give so much power to a stupid anonymous poster, instead of

simply responding "You stupid, ignorant regionalist bigot" and hitting the alert button.

Why are you using a broad brush to paint a large swathe of DU with this South-bashing brush?

Of course, this is one of the milder comments I've seen directed against all residents of the southern US in the past few months. And, like we all want to happen, the posts of DUer's have changed my mind.


Address the specific people who fuck up and say stupid things. Don't suggest that a few dumbfuck tools are representative of the entire group. That's just sloppy logic.

[lelgt60]

53. Huh? My point was to raise awareness

1. If you object to something someone says, you give that person power? I guess no one should post any complaints, then.

2. Referencing a specific set of comments in a general way, including a specific example is in no way using a broad brush against all DU'ers.

[MADem]

61. You give them power when you devote a whole thread to the topic of how

awful so many DUers are who "hate the South."

It's not true, that. Some dumbfuck said a bigoted thing about people from the south. The simple response is "Fuck you, you bigot" and hit ALERT....not write an essay about how awful so MANY DUers are and what rotten things they ALL say about southern people.

You waved a broad brush. It was not quite an accusation, but it was damned close.

See, I like southern people just fine. I like northern people, western people, people from the heartland (though I don't understand how they can live without ready access to the ocean), and island people, too. I'll bet there are a lot of DUers who are just like me, who like people, and don't make bigoted assumptions based on where they happen to live.

[tom_paine]

54. Here's one Yankee that agrees with you that there's too much Southern Bashing on DU.

I am not going to stand here and deny that the South is the main base of Bushie Power, as well as most Bushie Voter Suppression Ops, because that would be denying reality.

However, one of the things I have changed my attitude about, since coming to DU, is Southern-bashing. There are good people everywhere, and the South is no different. It is simply wrong to denigrate a region like that, and I felt a bit ashamed of myself, knowing DUers like BOSSHOG, Syrinx, trof and so many others, that for so many years I succumbed to that sort of knee-jerk anger.

I must confess, having grown up in a Yankee Big City, to laughing at your ironic characterization of the North, that incredible place where people are all enlightened and never do bad things to others.

It's like you grew up right down the street from me! :sarcasm:

At any rate, know that far from all DUers participate in South-bashing, and some of us, yes even as you ironically lampooned it, changed our opinions on things because of things other DUers "said".

So, I just wanted you to know that some Yankees, probably more than you realize, agree with you totally. This South-bashing has to stop. It serves no pourpose but to divide and anger us. It is possible to be angry with the "dominant culture" of the South, the Bushies, yet still recognize that many good people live there and that blanket South-bashing is wrong.

[burythehatchet]

58. I understand the general theme of this thread but as a New Yorker who is doing time

in Georgia I can tell you that there is a huge divide. No, not everyone thinks the same way, of course, not anywhere. But there is a general tone and atmosphere. And outside of a few cities where liberals tend to seek shelter, this state is a fucking wasteland. My son is almost old enough to where I can get the hell out of here. My bags are already packed.

[deaniac21]

Sounds like you are describing the Utica area to me.

[Snotcicles]

67. My wifes family is in the Lawrenceville area and I can't wait to get home after visiting. nt

[burythehatchet]

88. Ah yes, Larryville. I go out of my way to not have to pass through.

[NoGOPZone]

69. I also understand what you are getting at

but there's also no shortage of people on DU who will defend the South when it is stereotyped. Now you mentioned being a Yankee, although you don't specify the state. In this thread, I see comments about Rhode Island and New Jersey, with no residents bothering with a reply. The bashing works several ways.

[dysfunctional press]

65. i'd rather wait for the official thread, thanks.

but i do agree with one point you make-

"fuck every one of them."

although- that really isn't a "point", is it...? :shrug:

[Ava]

70. i'm one of the 800,000 in Alabama who voted for Obama

the south has a lot of problems.. but so do other states in other parts of the country. racism, stupidity, homophobia, and bigotry exists everywhere.

[Political Heretic]

74. No not every individual. Just the CULTURE of ignorance and bigotry

And I was born and lived in Georgia and Louisiana. There IS such a culture. And it is a FEATURE of southern states in the MOST PRONOUNCED way of any region in America.

Just the way it is. Sometimes accurate statements are painful... and make people defensive. Doesn't make them any less accurate.

[KamaAina]

78. Did you hear the one about the creeps who named their kid "Adolf Hitler"?

and then got all P.O.'d when a supermarket wouldn't make a birthday cake that said 'Happy Birthday Adolf Hitler"?

Oh, wait a minute, that was in New Jersey. Not even South Jersey. :eyes:

[Orsino]

79. For the sake of us sourtherners, could you repeat that without all them big words? n/t

[treestar]

87. As a Yankee who went to college in the South

Southern defensiveness gets old too.

Yes, we know there are bigots in the North and enlightened DUers in the South. No, we Yankees do not think we are better than Southerners.

But in general, the place is still behind a bit overall. It is progressing. We have a blue VA and blue NC and that's great. But Texas and SC and GA are places where the majority vote in people like Chambliss. So we still have work to do, which we don't have to do in MA or CA.

But I agree there is not reason to bash the South in general as all being Wallacite racists. Some non-southern states like Idaho or Alaska by now may deserve the criticism more.

[WildEyedLiberal]

101. Given that Prop 8 passed in California, obviously we do still have work to do there

I think that's the point the OP was making - it's a subtle form of cultural superiority to assert that the South "needs work" and is infected with pervasive bigotry while denying that such attitudes, with a few random exceptions, are fairly universal. Democratic cities are often bastions of virulent racism - hell, the last race riot in US history was in LA, that haven of liberalism. The LAPD is probably one of the most notoriously racist departments in the country. It's much easier and more fun to stereotype the yee-haw good ol' boys down south, but the problems are arguably worse elsewhere, precisely because no one thinks the Yankee states "need work" in addressing their own endemic racism.

I've never lived in the South, so there's no reflexive defensiveness on my part. I'm a Midwesterner, so I don't have much of a stake in these region wars at all. But the Southerners who complain of discrimination aren't just imagining it. The anti-Southern bias, and, to a lesser extent, the anti-rural bias, of a good deal of DU is fairly apparent. Pointing out facts and expressing exasperation with the political climate is fine, but a lot of these comments go beyond politics and start denigrating culture, and that's where Southerners rightly become angry. It's possible to decry the re-election of a shitbag like Chambliss without making snide comments about all Georgians. I mean, hell, I'm from Illinois, which is a pretty embarrassing place to be at the moment. The point is that corruption, racism, bigotry, and cronyism exist everywhere, and everyone should be more concerned about cleaning up their own backyard before pointing out their neighbor's mess.

[readmoreoften]

93. Make sure you fuck over the progressive people in those states while you're at it.

After all, labor organizers, LGBT activists, and science teachers in the South are likely to deserve your scorn more than the 45% of the population in the Northeast who is anti-progressive.

[EOTE]

95. Yeah, fuck the South!!!!!

Oh wait... did I miss something?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

110. Please boycott, I'm tired taking care of your non driving asses.

[condoleeza]

114. There is a great website that uses your own words

http://fuckthesouth.com/
There is a great rant there from after the 2004 election, in case you haven't seen it.

[mwooldri]

116. Hey! I'm from the South.

South of England, I must admit.. And I moved to ... North Carolina.

oops.

[McCamy Taylor]

118. Alaska is also in the "South" as is Saudi Arabia, home of slavery.

[Fearless]

119. Where do I sign up to start fucking southerners?

[Pavulon]

123. miss alabama?

[Fearless]

124. HA! Nope.

I was going more for this...




:+

[flvegan]

120. LOUD NOISES!

[Pastiche423]

125. Where else have you lived?

[lelgt60]

143. Lots of places - I'm old...

All for over 5 years: Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle, Vancouver, Edmonton, now Raleigh.

On edit: forgot Pittsburgh

[madeline_con]

128. 4.1 million in Florida who voted for Obama

That had to be repeated. :hi:

Damn yankees!

[B o d i]

130. I'll wait for the official one.

;p

[TexasObserver]

131. ALL attacks based upon geography are offensive.

When a person attacks the south, or California, or Alaska, or New York, or Texas, they're simply proving their own pathetic prejudices.

When a police officer in NYC shoves a broom up some guy's ass, it's not because it is New York.

When police beat a guy lying on the ground, it's not because they're from California.

When a preacher in Texas says something idiotic, he speaks for himself.

Attacks based upon gender, age, generation, race, orientation, or geography are all an embarrassment to DU and progressives.

[Bluenorthwest]

135. The South's fine

but Utah? Why do you give them 'honorary status? Very curious. What is it that the South has in common with Utah?

[lelgt60]

137. I debated with myself about this...

The only point being that there are progressives there, and I've seen the same kind of "fuck em all sentiment". In retrospect, it probably waters down my point somewhat, but people tell me I tend to ramble. I already deleted most of this post. Maybe I'm getting better.

[Zorra]

138. Yeah, OK....but I still refuse to drive through Texas. n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

139. That's supposed to be "Y'all". Carry on. n/t

[Retired AF Dem]

141. I have lived in the south for about six years now

seems like most of the people here are I live the life I want, you live the life you want. No wonder when assholes keep saying fuck the south they vote the other way. Plenty of people in the south voted for Obama, both black and white. So go fuck yourself.

[Shardik]

142. From another Southerner, Thank you.

We are not all inbred Al Capp or Fitzgerald pictures of hate, ignorance and intolerance.

This is where the civil rights movement began. You want to call Skokie the South?

The OP is flamebait and I really wish I didn't bite.

[Marr]

144. I do wish more southerners could admit to reality here.

Who's saying the north and west have no racists or homophobes? Not me, and not anyone else I've seen. The south seems to have bigotry and anti-intellectualism much more deeply woven into it's fabric than other areas of the country. Yes, there are good people there, of course-- but you should be able to admit that the south has it's problems. It's not the same everywhere. It just isn't.

And yes, I did live in a small southern town for awhile. Now I live in Los Angeles, and it's like night and day. I'm not going to pretend that the this place is the same as the south, just to make southerners feel better. It isn't true.

[NCDem60]

145. And Furthermore

Fuck the South. Fuck 'em. We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special Union. Fighting for the right to keep slaves - yeah, those are states we want to keep.

And now what do we get? We're the fucking Arrogant Northeast Liberal Elite? How about this for arrogant: the South is the Real America? The Authentic America. Really?

Cause we fucking founded this country, assholes. Those Founding Fathers you keep going on and on about? All that bullshit about what you think they meant by the Second Amendment giving you the right to keep your assault weapons in the glove compartment because you didn't bother to read the first half of the fucking sentence? Who do you think those wig-wearing lacy-shirt sporting revolutionaries were? They were fucking blue-staters, dickhead. Boston? Philadelphia? New York? Hello? Think there might be a reason all the fucking monuments are up here in our backyard?

No, No. Get the fuck out. We're not letting you visit the Liberty Bell and fucking Plymouth Rock anymore until you get over your real American selves and start respecting those other nine amendments. Who do you think those fucking stripes on the flag are for? Nine are for fucking blue states. And it would be 10 if those Vermonters had gotten their fucking Subarus together and broken off from New York a little earlier. Get it? We started this shit, so don't get all uppity about how real you are you Johnny-come-lately "Oooooh I've been a state for almost a hundred years" dickheads. Fuck off.

Arrogant? You wanna talk about us Northeasterners being fucking arrogant? What's more American than arrogance? Hmmm? Maybe horsies? I don't think so. Arrogance is the fucking cornerstone of what it means to be American. And I wouldn't be so fucking arrogant if I wasn't paying for your fucking bridges, bitch.

All those Federal taxes you love to hate? It all comes from us and goes to you, so shut up and enjoy your fucking Tennessee Valley Authority electricity and your fancy highways that we paid for. And the next time Florida gets hit by a hurricane you can come crying to us if you want to, but you're the ones who built on a fucking swamp. "Let the Spanish keep it, it’s a shithole," we said, but you had to have your fucking orange juice.

The next dickwad who says, "It’s your money, not the government's money" is gonna get their ass kicked. Nine of the ten states that get the most federal fucking dollars and pay the least... can you guess? Go on, guess. That’s right, motherfucker, they're red states. And eight of the ten states that receive the least and pay the most? It’s too easy, asshole, they’re blue states. It’s not your money, assholes, it’s fucking our money. What was that Real American Value you were spouting a minute ago? Self reliance? Try this for self reliance: buy your own fucking stop signs, assholes.

Let’s talk about those values for a fucking minute. You and your Southern values can bite my ass because the blue states got the values over you fucking Real Americans every day of the goddamn week. Which state do you think has the lowest divorce rate you marriage-hyping dickwads? Well? Can you guess? It’s fucking Massachusetts, the fucking center of the gay marriage universe. Yes, that’s right, the state you love to tie around the neck of anyone to the left of Strom Thurmond has the lowest divorce rate in the fucking nation. Think that’s just some aberration? How about this: 9 of the 10 lowest divorce rates are fucking blue states, asshole, and most are in the Northeast, where our values suck so bad. And where are the highest divorce rates? Care to fucking guess? 10 of the top 10 are fucking red-ass we're-so-fucking-moral states. And while Nevada is the worst, the Bible Belt is doing its fucking part.

But two guys making out is going to fucking ruin marriage for you? Yeah? Seems like you're ruining it pretty well on your own, you little bastards. Oh, but that's ok because you go to church, right? I mean you do, right? Cause we fucking get to hear about it every goddamn year at election time. Yes, we're fascinated by how you get up every Sunday morning and sing, and then you're fucking towers of moral superiority. Yeah, that's a workable formula. Maybe us fucking Northerners don't talk about religion as much as you because we're not so busy sinning, hmmm? Ever think of that, you self-righteous assholes? No, you're too busy erecting giant stone tablets of the Ten Commandments in buildings paid for by the fucking Northeast Liberal Elite. And who has the highest murder rates in the nation? It ain't us up here in the North, assholes.

Well this gravy train is fucking over. Take your liberal-bashing, federal-tax-leaching, confederate-flag-waving, holier-than-thou, hypocritical bullshit and shove it up your ass.

And no, you can't have your fucking convention in New York next time. Fuck off.
:sarcasm:

[Hugabear]

146. Are you fucking stupid or what?

For starters, you might want to read up on the Founding Fathers. If you think they were all from New York, Philly, and Boston - ie the North - then you're just too stupid to even continue this conversation with.

And by painting all Southerners with such a broad brush, you're showing your incredible stupidity. You act like the South has a monopoly on racism, FUCK YOU. That is so fucking inherently stupid, I don't even know where to begin. As many others have already pointed out, racism is very much alive and kicking throughout the rest of the country.

[Fire1]

148. May be, but it's more subtle in the north. You all put up with.........

shit that wouldn't dare fly in the north. All of the 'free thinkers' moved up here.