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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 01:53 PM
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In 2005 the DLC changed the goal in Iraq to Middle Eastern Democracy.
Never mind Saddam, never mind his weapons of mass destruction that were said to be of such a threat to our country. Never mind all the previous goals stated by various groups which were determined we were going to invade Iraq.

In December 2005 a DLC Idea of the Week memo totally changed and rewrote history when they declared that what happened in Iraq could happen elsewhere in the Middle East.

The exact words:

Idea of the Week: Middle Eastern Democracy

The United States must continue to use its still considerable influence to broker political compromises and help build national institutions based on the rule of law rather than factional interests.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, these elections help vindicate the basic idea that democracy remains the strongest weapon in what is ultimately a war of ideas against Islamist extremism. By this we don't mean democracy as a magic elixir, as Bush administration officials sometimes seem to describe it, but democracy as a process whereby people wounded and fearful after decades of tyranny learn to negotiate, compromise, build up institutions of civil society, and forge a national identity based on mutual respect and free consent rather than brutal coercion.

And if that can happen in Iraq, it can happen throughout the Middle East -- in Palestine, in Egypt, and even in Saudi Arabia.

In the end, that's the just and worthy cause we are fighting for in Iraq -- the cause our troops have suffered and died for -- and we urge Democrats in particular to look beyond our justifiable anger at the administration's many blunders and its stubborn refusal to admit them, and embrace that cause as our own.


That's what our troops died for? That is most likely not what our troops thought during the rush to war in 2003. They thought they were going there to make our country safer.

A Democratic think tank just does not get the right to rewrite history like that.

Sounds a little like a sort of empire building to me.

That same week DLC leaders Al From and Mark Penn sent a strategy memo to party leaders.

From the Washington Post:

Penn and From warn not to be fooled by Bush polls

Al From, president of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council, and pollster Mark Penn wrote a strategy memo to DLC supporters last week warning party leaders not to use Bush's problems as an invitation to call for an immediate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, or generally to steer a more liberal course that could alienate the middle-of-the-road voters the party needs.

"It is important for Democrats to understand that despite Bush's decline, America remains a moderate to conservative country -- particularly on economic and security measures," the two wrote. While a poll taken by Penn for the DLC showed voters opposing the Iraq war 54 to 44 percent, they warned that "Democratic leaders could be playing with political dynamite if they call for an immediate pullout of American troops."

The memo is the latest illustration of deep divisions among Democrats over the right stance on Iraq -- on policy and political grounds. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who supports a rapid withdrawal starting now, has estimated that half the Democratic caucus agrees with her. From and Penn said the most defensible ground for Democrats is a middle path: rejecting deadlines for troop withdrawal but endorsing "clear benchmarks" to measure progress and hold Bush accountable for the results.


They reiterate that the party must distance itself from "the left", the liberal wing.

The DLC has been arguing since its inception 20 years ago that the party needs to transcend its liberal activists and traditional interest groups to be electable nationally, a message that has rarely varied with any new issue or circumstance. From and Penn say the latest evidence still supports them.

...While the problems of Bush and Republicans have "opened the door" for Democrats, Penn and From wrote, to take advantage of this "Democrats need to capture the vital center and bring an abrupt halt to what voters see as the party's drift to the left."


I think Robert Fisk writing in the Independent UK might have some different ideas for them to ponder. He writes about the dangers of war in the Middle East with a special warning about Afghanistsn.

he Soviet general at Bagram now has his amanuensis in General David McKiernan, the senior US officer in Afghanistan, who proudly announced last month that US forces had killed "between 30 and 35 Taliban" in a raid on Azizabad near Herat. "In the light of emerging evidence pertaining (sic) to civilian casualties in the ... counter-insurgency operation," the luckless general now says, he feels it "prudent" – another big sic here – to review his original investigation. The evidence "pertaining", of course, is that the Americans probably killed 90 people in Azizabad, most of them women and children. We – let us be frank and own up to our role in the hapless Nato alliance in Afghanistan – have now slaughtered more than 500 Afghan civilians this year alone. These include a Nato missile attack on a wedding party in July when we splattered 47 of the guests all over the village of Deh Bala.

And Obama and McCain really think they're going to win in Afghanistan – before, I suppose, rushing their soldiers back to Iraq when the Baghdad government collapses. What the British couldn't do in the 19th century and what the Russians couldn't do at the end of the 20th century, we're going to achieve at the start of the 21 century, taking our terrible war into nuclear-armed Pakistan just for good measure. Fantasy again.

Joseph Conrad, who understood the powerlessness of powerful nations, would surely have made something of this. Yes, we have lost after we won in Afghanistan and now we will lose as we try to win again. Stuff happens.


This was from September this year, and we now are talking about 30 to 60 thousand more troops in Afghanistan next year.

I wonder what the "policy shop" thinks about that idea.



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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 02:05 PM
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1. you know what is really sad?
The so called centrists, who are actually neolibs, are so wrong about where the country "leans". Clue number one, it isn't for more wars, AIPAC foreign policies and endless give aways to corporations like the DLC champions. We are so fucked.

:(

K&R!

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 02:13 PM
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2. to prove my point......
The Progressive Majority:
Why a Conservative America is a Myth

http://mediamatters.org/progmaj/report



Ideology in America

"Republicans tend to be conservative on both . That's been a strength in a conservative country."
Mark Halperin of ABC News, October 30, 2006

Halperin is hardly alone in his view that whether one is talking about economic issues or social issues, conservatives have the public on their side. Democrats may win an election here or there, but at its most fundamental level, conventional political wisdom assumes America is a conservative country: hostile to government, in favor of unregulated markets, at peace with inequality, desirous of a foreign policy based on the projection of military power, and traditional in its social values.

This report demonstrates the inaccuracy of that picture of America. Media perceptions and past Republican electoral successes notwithstanding, Americans are progressive across a wide range of controversial issues, and they're growing more progressive all the time.

THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM

It should come as no surprise that conservative media figures repeat the myth that most Americans share their views. Even when Democrats win, conservatives claim that their ideology is still dominant. On election night 2006, Fox News Washington managing editor Brit Hume acknowledged that Democrats were winning, but stressed that "from what we could see from all the polling and everything else, it remains a conservative country."2 He did not say what "polling and everything else" he was referring to. Glenn Beck of CNN Headline News agreed, stating the following day that despite the Democratic victory, "the majority of Americans seem in favor of classically Republican points of view."3

But it was not just conservatives; in fact, they were simply repeating what they had heard mainstream journalists say for some time. "This is basically not a liberal country," said John Harris, then of The Washington Post and now of The Politico, in May 2005. "It's a conservative country."4 Previewing the Democrats' prospects for victory three weeks before the 2006 election, CNN senior political correspondent Candy Crowley asserted that Democrats have been "on the losing side of the values debate, the defense debate and, oh yes, the guns debate."5 (Crowley presented no evidence that Democrats had been "on the losing side" of any of these debates.)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 02:18 PM
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3. That is exactly what they do....
"The Right", the "conservatives" of either party constantly claim victory over those of us who have been right about almost everything.

They just claim victory...
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 02:28 PM
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4. and the term for the left that keeps getting suckered?
let me think about that one. :(
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 03:10 PM
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8. Suckers?
;) ;)
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 03:13 PM
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10. it does indeed fit
I was looking for something a little less denigrating, but hell I will go with that after this long in detention.

:)
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 02:40 PM
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5. That's a mighty big "if" there.
Especially since we're the ones that gave them fascist dictatorships in the first place.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 02:51 PM
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6. Here's a bit of bitter truth about the DLC for those that still need convincing
it's an archived thread from April 5, 2008-post#1 is about the main DLC think tank--the absurdly cruelly named Progressive Policy Institute/PPI (which receives a lot of funding from The Bradley Foundation) of Will Marshall (PNAC letter signatory)

"Know your DLC: Current DLC Leadership Team and other Democratic Leadership Council links"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5396391
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 03:19 PM
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11. excellent!
thank you!

:)
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:22 PM
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14. I thank you, leftchick-and madfloridian and all the rest of US that the DLC abandoned in the '80's
:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 05:50 PM
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17. Good links. Problem is that they are on the inside, and we are outside
looking in. Yet we were right about Iraq early on. :shrug:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 02:59 PM
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7. It seems to me that it was earlier than 2005 (Evan Bayh's Valentines Day 2003) for some Dems:
Edited on Tue Dec-23-08 02:59 PM by mod mom
"formed to propagandize the country into war" sounds to me that some Dems were working in collusion with the neocons:


Check this out, from the group's press release on February 14th, 2003 (via Nexis):

The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (CLI) is pleased to welcome Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) as an Honorary Co-Chairman. Bayh becomes the third U.S. Senator to join the committee after Sens. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) announced their participation on January 28.
The Committee is a neo-con group that was formed to propagandize the country into war. It boasted such illustrious neocon members as Bill Kristol, former CIA director James Woolsey, and even McCain senior foreign policy adviser and Chalabi-bamboozler Randy Scheunemann, whom Josh has been blogging about.

-snip

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/bayh_as_veep_he_cochaired_wing.php
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 06:03 PM
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18. Yes, many tried to change it earlier.
The mission that is. As soon as no WMDs were found they began scrambling for other reasons.

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 03:10 PM
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9. Neoliberals at the reins.
I don't expect to see much change.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 03:48 PM
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12. K&R
"Centrism"....because it's so EASY.
You don't have to STAND for ANYTHING, and get to insult those who do!

"Centrism"...for those who are PROUD to be Half-Republican.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:01 PM
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13. "You don't have to STAND for ANYTHING, and get to insult those who do!"
Yep.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 08:24 PM
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32. This should be posted in every pro-centrism thread. nt
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 08:21 PM
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33. A quote (It was either Truman or LBJ that said it)
The only thing you get by sitting on a fence are splinters in your ass. Pick a side.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:27 PM
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15. I would love to see a survey on how many of these assholes actually have kids over there "fighting
for freedom".
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:40 PM
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16. Thanks to the capitulation of the DLC, we don't even have Democracy HERE anymore
How the fuck are we supposed to "spread" it? :wtf:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 09:05 PM
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20. "Capitulation" was their policy.
Way too much of it.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 07:11 PM
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19. Thanks for posting this
Everyone needs to be informed about DLC's agenda.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 01:59 AM
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24. They used the term "elitist" against the rank and file Democrats.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/3291

They said help from "educated elitists" would not help them win.

Ridiculous.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 09:21 PM
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21. .
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 09:27 PM
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22. The DLC is the elephant in the Big Tent. K&R
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 09:37 PM
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23. The word "democracy" is always the pretty bow they put on things.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 02:27 AM
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25. The DLC is Overjoyed that Hilary and Emmanuel have infiltrated the Obama Administration
I'm sure their going to have nice parties with Vilsack and Monsanto employees while they continue down the path of unabashed Corporatism while Obama struggles to guard his own back.

I'm truly afraid that we are screwed yet again.

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 06:52 PM
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31. I still have hope Obama is defusing their power (they have to implement his agenda)
by bringing them on board. I'm glad he wants to hear opposing (read: corporate) opinions, but remember it's his agenda!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 08:31 PM
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37. In order to solve the problem, we have to understand the problem . . .
Edited on Thu Dec-25-08 08:35 PM by defendandprotect
DLC - AIPAC - blue dogs

infiltration of the Democratic Party to move it to the right . . . .

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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 02:31 AM
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26. "...and embrace that cause as our own"
That they did.

:mad:

K&R
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 04:38 AM
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27. What passes for democracy in the ME is actually oligarchy...
Without a liberally educated populace (i.e. critical mass), these experiments i 'democracy' are destined to crash and burn.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 11:08 AM
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28. Well, we can keep forcing that Democracy at the point of a gun...
as we did in Iraq supposedly? :shrug:
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 01:16 PM
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29. It can happen, but it is a generation away...
Edited on Wed Dec-24-08 01:18 PM by JCMach1
Something I happen to be working pretty hard on with my job...
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antimatter98 Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 06:50 PM
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30. We need democracy in the U.S. first...
Instead of the kleptocracy we have now.

def: government by those who seek chiefly status and personal gain at the expense of the governed
(Merriam Webster online dictionary)

I think the ME wars are a means to distract and to feed the military industrial complex.

The DLC seems to be a slightly milder version of PNAC. And Congress is beholden. They
do not represent American citizens.



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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 08:29 PM
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36. As we wait hopefully for Americans to rise up, Peace-loving Israelis need to do same . . .
and take their country back from the religious fanatics who killed their last

leader working for peace --Yitzhak Rabin ---

Remembering Yitzhak Rabin . . .

'Murder of Isaac': The Death of Israel's Conscience

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/10/AR2006021002262_pf.html
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 08:22 PM
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34. The BS DLC ... destroying the Democratic Party one ideal at a time . . .!!!
and note the targets . . .

in Palestine, in Egypt, and even in Saudi Arabia.

as we continue to use Israel to create havoc and war all over the Middle East --- !!!

And re Penn & From's/DLC empire building fears/paranoia ....


"It is important for Democrats to understand that despite Bush's decline, America remains a moderate to conservative country -- particularly on economic and security measures," the two wrote. While a poll taken by Penn for the DLC showed voters opposing the Iraq war 54 to 44 percent, they warned that "Democratic leaders could be playing with political dynamite if they call for an immediate pullout of American troops."

If you're THIS frightened of the world, you're too frightened to want democracy!!!






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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 08:24 PM
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35. Too late -- but HIGHLY RECOMMEND . . .
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