Connell crash likely the result of deteriorating weather, visibility

[Truth Teller]

Seems to me it's quite a coincidence that the conspiracy to kill Connell coincided with deteriorating weather and visibility.

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Article excerpts...

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In the wake of his death in an airplane crash Friday night near Akron-Canton Airport, Mr. Connell's legend grew as his name was tossed around by conspiracy theorists connecting him to presidential adviser Karl Rove and the controversial presidential election of 2004.

...

Mr. Connell, founder and chief executive of New Media Communications in Richfield, died instantly when the single-prop airplane he was piloting crashed into a vacant house about three miles short of the Akron-Canton Airport.

State Highway Patrol Lt. Eric Sheppard said Mr. Connell's plane was in communication with the airport control tower just before the crash, but he could not detail whether the radio transmissions were calls for help.

''We have no reason to believe at this point it was anything other than an unfortunate crash,'' Sheppard said.

Charles Starkey, a former Navy pilot and director of safety for a Cleveland-area private jet company, said Friday night's cloud cover and misty, cold conditions presented challenges for even the most experienced pilots.

In a 30-minute time frame around the crash, the weather deteriorated quickly as visibility around the airport diminished from nine miles to a little over one mile with a low ceiling.

In such cases, pilots typically are forced to rely on the plane's instruments rather than their own vision, which can contribute to crashes, Starkey said.

''It's easy to get disoriented, especially if you're not very experienced at it,'' he said. ''You've got to ignore the various things your body can be telling you and rely on your instruments. It's very challenging.''

....

http://www.ohio.com/news/36521859.html

[yardwork]

1. Oh, well in that case, never mind. That clears that up. Nothing to see here.

[Swamp Rat]

3. Yep, and it's a good thing mainstream media did not cover this story.

Otherwise, the average bear might suspect something nefarious happened.

[yardwork]

5. Ever wonder why so many interesting things happen in Ohio?

I grew up in Ohio and I don't know either.

[Joe Chi Minh]

23. It's the weather. Bad, bad, bad...

[nc4bo]

14. Has CorporateWhoreMedia (the usual 24/7 reporting suspects) ) said anything about the crash?

Haven't been paying much attention to M$M and a Connell story could have slipped under my radar.

[anigbrowl]

17. Try news.google.com ...I hear they have news.

[nc4bo]

29. CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, FAUX NEWS. National news. nt

[anigbrowl]

30. Astonishingly, stories from those sources are found on google news.

Or you can go directly to their websites. Some have covered it, some not.

[nc4bo]

32. Anigbrowl, I'm sorry - I want to see this story live on air where the majority of people still

get their "news".

People like my mom, husband, my 95 yo aunt etc. who are either not interested in online news or do not have internet access or service.

That's what I meant by mainstream media. I want (yea, like what I want bears any importance) to turn on CNN or MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC 7pm evening news (not KO or my girl Maddow's programs).

Someone posted that the NYT had a paid article in the business section about it, nothing more.

[Joe Chi Minh]

35. It sure looks like their m.o. If it was their doing, they won't be bothered

about any of this. Connell's out of the way. Mission accomplished. In fact, I think that sometimes they want to raise the level of the public's perception of the power of domestic "state terrorism", as I believe was the case with Dr Kelly in the UK.

How many of the authors of professional hits are uncovered? Then ask, how many on top political authority and with a corresponding cover-up? The Kennedy brothers? Martin Luther King? Paul Wellstone? The African American voting machine manufacturer?

[bobthedrummer]

2. .

:silly:

[Subdivisions]

4. We're used to reading the attempts, by booshbot agents

in the Dungeon for example, to deflect us from the real truth.

Your attempts to dispel any notions of what really happened to Connell are as transparent as the air you're breathing.

Go ask for re-assignment because your bullshit ain't sticking around these parts.

[yardwork]

6. I didn't read the OP as agreeing with the article, just bringing us here to see.

[Junkdrawer]

8. Earlier Post...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4707373&mesg_id=4707373

[Subdivisions]

9. Then perhaps you should search for the OPs other posts

on this topic.

[Truth Teller]

11. I think the conspiracy talk is unfounded

and find the deteriorating waether at the same time to be quite a coincdence if indeed it was murder.

[yardwork]

20. The weather is "deteriorating" all over the country this time of year - most planes don't crash.

Come on. Planes all over the country take off in "deteriorating weather" this time of year. They don't all crash. They don't all crash carrying Karl Rove's IT architect, who knows a great deal about the fishy elections of 2002 and 2004, right before he testified before an investigative body. They don't all crash carrying somebody who had been warned numerous times before that Karl Rove might be trying to kill him to keep him from testifying.

They don't all crash in Ohio, where the fishy 2004 election went down.

I see a lot of "coincidences" but the weather isn't one of them.

[merh]

28. but you miss something from that article

''It's easy to get disoriented, especially if you're not very experienced at it,'' he said. ''You've got to ignore the various things your body can be telling you and rely on your instruments. It's very challenging.''

He was an experienced pilot.

You truly should seek out the truth and not buy the most comfortable explanations provided. I know it is scarey to think that bad people do bad things, but that is a truth.

[yardwork]

21. I stand corrected. I'm still grateful to have seen this thread, for two reasons.

This lame attempt at blaming "the weather" is added to the list of things that make me very suspicious, and I've now got a new buddy to watch on DU.

[Truth Teller]

22. LOL!

Those not believing what I believe must be watched!

Seriously, it was a State Highway Patrol and director of safety for a Cleveland-area private jet company blaming the weather. "They" in on it, too?

[Joe Chi Minh]

24. UuuuuuunTHINKABLE!

[Subdivisions]

36. BINGO!!!

That is EXACTLY the tactic the goons over in the Dungeon use to talk sane people down!

Why is it so important to you that we believe that weather is the cause of this crash?

And, how about a link verifying your comment that "it was a State Highway Patrol and director of safety for a Cleveland-area private jet company blaming the weather"?

[BrklynLiberal]

7. Would you be interested in this bridge in my neighborhood? I can let you have it real cheap.

[Junkdrawer]

10. Is that their final answer?

People here have posted weather maps at the time of the crash that contradicts the "Bad Weather" excuse...

[nc4bo]

12. So quick. So efficient. This isn't considered to be a bit premature? You betcha. nt

[Mari333]

13. and I am the Queen of England! nt

[McCamy Taylor]

15. I hate Karl Rove but....find out if he had IFR or not. If no IFR, it was an accident.

With a low ceiling and one mile visibility, someone without instrument flight training would find it incredibly difficult to land.

Now, if he had IFR and someone messed with his instruments.....

[Truth Teller]

18. You're on to the truth here IMO

Given the conditions described, an accident isn't surprising.

[Joe Chi Minh]

25. Did you read post #10?

[Truth Teller]

26. I'd be interested if you have links n/t

[Joe Chi Minh]

33. If you are interested, why on earth didn't you ask the poster who mentioned

it? Perhaps he'll still have the links or suggest search key-words.

[Joe Chi Minh]

34. Try this:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dwBMObtsbqw

And note the comment about the wind and clear skies.

[Truth Teller]

37. That's it?

Hmm.

[Joe Chi Minh]

40. "Hmm"? As ever, replete with meaning.

[antipode]

43. This amateur video of - something- is "evidence" of er, what?

:???

[bdamomma]

16. blame it on the weather?

that is the way to get out of a crime.:sarcasm:

[Truth Teller]

19. Pretty significant relationship

between weather and small plane crashes.

[lurky]

27. Because people never do bad things.

Witnesses are never intimidated, hurt, or even killed. Our government officials never abuse their power or subvert democracy. These things only happen in backwards foreign countries, and anyone who dares to even consider such things happening in America should be ridiculed and marginalized. Because America is special and is magically protected from greed, corruption, and political intrigue by happy rainbow dust.

Do some reading. I suggest you start with well-documented stuff like COINTELPRO and Watergate.

[dixiegrrrrl]

31. First reports siad crash was due to running out of gas.

No one person quoted, tho.
Then followed a report of witnesses saying they heard "a big explosion, crash".
It has also been reported Connel had flown for several years,
and Ohio tv station Action News 19 reported on Sunday that Connell had previously been warned by a friend that his plane might be sabotaged and had canceled two flights because of suspicious problems.

[joeunderdog]

44. Honestly, wouldn't you just NOT take the small plane trips

if someone was telling you this? You know these thugs will do ANYTHING to anyone who gets in their way, and that you must be on the hit list. You know all about Wellstone and the myriad of other victims of small plane crashes. You are public enemy #1 to the RW if you expose them from the inside out. You are set to spill your guts against KKKarl Rove...

Then you decide to fly yourself somewhere? Why? :wtf:

[Pastiche423]

46. That is IF he was on the plane

[EFerrari]

38. Right. The bad weather had cleared by then according to report at DemocracyNow!

[mod mom]

45. Not to mention the video of the crash site (before fire engines arrived). What did

folks think they'd come out and say "yeah we did it"?

[backscatter712]

39. Does anyone actually believe that shit?

Bad weather my ass...

[bdamomma]

42. they needed a scapegoat they blamed the weather.

this guy was murdered.

[antipode]

41. I'll be reading all the expert opinions from the non-pilots around here, explaining how you are an

apologist for the evildoers.
:D

[P210pilot]

47. almost certainly icing related

Fri Dec 19 23:09:00 2008 1229728140 300 10 KT BR 01 -1 1009 Cloudy 2.5 mi 400 ft 86 -4
Fri Dec 19 23:15:00 2008 1229728500 290 11 KT BR 01 -1 1009 Cloudy 1.5 mi 400 ft 86 -4
Fri Dec 19 23:51:00 2008 1229730660 320 13 KT BR 0.6 -1.1 1011.6 Cloudy 3 mi

This is the weather at the time of the crash. Looks like this was certainly icing related.

BR= light rain, Temp= -1 C, Vis= 2.5 miles, ceiling= 400'

The Saratoga has lmited ice protection and is not approved for flight in icing conditions.

[robertpaulsen]

48. There are skeptics and then there are debunkers. You are quite clearly a debunker. n/t

[Feron]

49. On DU..

people tend to assume that everything is a conspiracy first.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

50. Means, Motive and Opportunity.

The criteria for an investigatable crime. All three exist.