Pastor says 'God will punish Rick Warren'

[stopbush]

Pastor says 'God will punish Rick Warren'

By MICHAEL MELLO
The Orange County Register
updated 5:16 p.m. PT, Tues., Dec. 23, 2008
BUENA PARK — Southern Baptist Pastor Wiley Drake bashed Saddleback Church Pastor Rick Warren this week, saying "God will punish" Warren for agreeing to give the invocation at President-elect Barack Obama's inauguration next month.

"I pray He is kind to you in this punishment that is coming," Drake wrote in a widely-released e-mail. In it, the First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park pastor criticizes Warren's "recent plan to invoke the presence of almighty God on this evil illegal alien," a reference to Obama.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28371132

[bluestateguy]

1. I could say that Southern Baptist is a very evil, wicked religion

But of course, I'm not going to say that.

[GrizzlyMan]

25. SB's aren't even on the extreme end.....

That designation would belong to Assemblies of God/Pentecostals and Charasmatics. They make SB's look rather pedestrian.

[Bluenorthwest]

44. That depends on what subject is at hand

The history of the SB church is rooted in and riddled with racism. As late as 1968, only 11% of SB churches would allow African Americans to worship with them. It was 1995 when the SB convention officially 'apologized' for their historic support of slavery and white supremacy. Those years again-1968 and 1995. Not 1868 and 1895.
On the other hand I have seen Pentecostal churchs that were not just welcoming of African Americans, but pro-active in attempting to heal relations and fuse the communities. The most rolling of holy roller churches I attended with family members in a rural town had a preacher who preached against racism with a furty. He told his congregation that it was their duty to reach out to all races, and said very clearly and often that a racist heart can not be home to Jesus and that no racist would enter heaven. He told that congregation, in an all white town that the stain of racism was upon white folk and our history demanded that we take the lead in making amends for the horrible crimes of our ancestors. He spoke very much in the manner of Rev Wright, only his flock was pretty much white at the begining. He said 'you will burn in hell if you harbor racism, if you do not turn the fire of Jesus name on that sin and cleanse yourself. He spoke about that more than any other 'sin'. This guy was a wailing, shouting, shaking, tounge speaking full tilt revivalist. He and his church, very poor people, paid twice a year to bring an African American congregation from the city to join for the weekend with his church, to live in the homes of his people and worship like ohnly the Pentacostals can do. And twice a year, again at the 'white church's' expense, they traveled to the city to live and worship with the 'black church'. They meant business. They walked the walk.
I post many things here calling upon religious people to follow their faiths. That is usually seen as 'hating religion'. So be it. But today I wanted to speak of Brother Gordon, who was not a racist, who was 'filled with the holy ghost', and who would have embraced Rev Wright as a brother, although I have to say Wright is far more moderate in his condmenations of racism than Bro Gordon ever was.
So today for Christmas I bear witness on behalf of good people who are relgious. Those sermons from Bro Gordon were being delivered 20 years before the Southern Baptist Church so much as apologized for supporting slavery.
So, I can not agree with you that the SBs are less extreme. Not on issues around bigotry and prejudice. Just no way.

[Ilsa]

48. They are terribly close, though. At least most of the charismatics

I've known weren't racists pigs or played social class games.

[salguine]

38. You know, I think that could probably be said of 95% of religions.

[babylonsister]

2. Evil illegal immigrant?

:puke: for this 'pastor'. Disgusting.

[Baby Snooks]

30. The Curse of Ham...

The good Reverend Criswell finally admitted that perhaps the Southern Baptists needed to accept that the Bible really wasn't the inerrant word of god with regard to the Curse of Ham but of course the Southen Baptists knew he was just being politically correct which one must be in this evil country being overrun with all sorts of evil perverted people.

Southern Baptists still believe in the Curse of Ham. They just decided to be politically correct. Until they can have the Civil Rights Act rescinded. At which point the lynchings will begin again.

In the meantime, well, the gays will just have to do. Kill a queer for Christ. Or is that the Catholics?

[Hydra]

3. Heh

So very holy of him to pray for torment to be visited on his fellow con-man. Honor among thieves and all that, I suppose.

[stopbush]

5. Yep. Makes me proud to live in OC.

How many counties in the USA can boast having two perfect assholes running their myth-based scams in such close proximity? I bet they have teams of analysts working overtime to come up with the hateful rhetoric needed to attract the devout Christians into their church, rather than that of the other fraud.

Sorry, Christians, but these guys are typical Christians, not outliers.

[Hydra]

9. I'm a former Catholic

And it infuriates me to hear people claim that Christians aren't like this. Stigmata said it so well-

"Split a piece of wood, and I am there"

You don't need churches, preachers, laws, customs, rituals and hate to talk to God, you just do it. Going into a painted building with a bell should never be considered an acceptable shield for bad behavior.

[madeline_con]

10. Are these two in a war to win Californian souls?

EDIT: I found the locations of Buena Park, CA and Lake Forest, CA. Seems these two may be in a heated competition for congregants.

[KitchenWitch]

18. Buena Park CA may be close in mileage to Lake Forest CA

But it takes about an hour to drive the distance because of traffic congestion. And that is on a GOOD day.

[madeline_con]

19. But the surrounding area would

have a lot of potential members for both. People will drive quite a while to go the the "right" church.

I think, from Wile E.'s wiki profile, he may have wanted to be the mouthpiece of the Religious Right to the nation, and Warren got it. Hence the imprecatory prayer he's probably mumbling right now. ;)

[gratuitous]

37. Why do we even have Orange County?

How many fuck-ups does an overrich enclave have to inflict on the country before the United States just paves the whole place over and deports the population? I bet everyone in Orange County harbors some form of this poison deep within his or her breast.

Sorry Orange County, but these guys are typical Orange County-ites, not outliers. And I am perfectly justified in treating everyone from there with the same judgment.

{/}

Wow! I guess I never quite realized how much fun mindless judgmentalism is!

[madeline_con]

4. Dissention in the ranks!

:woohoo:

I need to settle in... :popcorn:

[Douglas Carpenter]

6. as hard as it may sound to some here, they come a lot crazier than Warren

Drake said Warren, also a Southern Baptist minister, is "hurting our denomination, and the Lord's work."

He continued: "God will deal with you on this … God will not wink at this."

Warren did not immediately return messages seeking comment.

"It's an abomination before God and God's going to deal with that," Drake, in an interview, said about Warren's role in the inauguration. "I've gotten several e-mails in response, and overwhelmingly, they have been supportive."

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/warren-obama-drake-2265240-baptist-pastor

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[Recursion]

13. Warren lost a lot of the far RW when he said man contributes to global warming

I don't know that he ever had much of a shot at getting them back after that.

[Blue_In_AK]

7. Southern Baptists today seem to be nuttier

than I remembered. I went to high school with a bunch of Southern Baptist kids in Pasadena, Texas, back in the '60s. They had multiple hangups, to be sure (sexual especially), but I don't remember that they were this hateful. Of course, my school was all white, and no one was openly gay, and they did start each day with a prayer, and the a capella choir I sang in was directed by a Southern Baptist music teacher, who took us on school trips to Baptist churches up in East Texas. He prayed a lot, too. I guess they had no reason to complain back then.

I guess they're upset by having their world view challenged. I think they need to "get over it."

[Hydra]

12. In a very real way, that's what's fueling their hate and lust for power

The world is changing- and they don't have as much say as to what goes and what doesn't anymore.

The world isn't predictable anymore. This scares them and their flock to no end.

[shadowknows69]

34. Well Bushco tried to bring back the dark ages for them

But they fucked up when they let the internet and youtube survive.

[countmyvote4real]

22. It's a lot easier to fathom a former SB than a former homosexual.

As a former born again SB and lifelong homo, I'm just saying that one is possible and one is not.

[Blue_In_AK]

24. Very true.

[shadowknows69]

35. I went to a "kinder, gentler Baptist church too. Although it was in NY

Not a lot of hate preaching, except anti-government more than anything. Focused on a lot of end times stuff. I think our Pastor was convinced Reagan was the anti-Christ.

[Bluenorthwest]

45. Just so you know

Southern Baptists are a seperate denomination from other Baptists. It is not a geograpical difference, it is historical and the split occured greatly because some Baptists wanted to uphold slavery. They became the Southern Baptist Church.
Apples and Oragnes to a great degree. Unless you were attending a Southern Baptist Church, it was not the same as Warren.
Perhaps it was a SBC congregtion. I'm just pointing out that there are large and important differences between SB and other Baptists.

[shadowknows69]

46. I understand the difference, and the church I went to was SBC actually

Didn't stay long enough to see the other sides of it maybe.

[madeline_con]

8. More info on Wile E. Drake....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiley_Drake

[Blue_In_AK]

11. Sounds like a nut case.

[Selatius]

14. May Pastor Drake eternally burn in the fires of hate and hell he helped to create.

Two can play the fire-and-brimstone card here.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. It's a plot to make Rick Warren seem normal.

:eyes:

[Renew Deal]

16. This guy is the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe

What an unpatriotic asshole.

[Shiver]

36. Hey... do NOT equate the lunatic fringe

with these people. We are nothing like them!

'If religion is the opiate of the masses, then disorganized religion is the marijuana of the lunatic fringe.'

[Renew Deal]

42. Sorry, but I don't consider myself and most DUers part of the "lunatic fringe."

Funny quote

[Shiver]

43. I'm not talking about DUers

I'm a Discordian, one of the disorganized religions. That quote comes from the great prophet Omar Khayyam Ravenhurst, co-founder of Discordianism.

We are the true lunatic fringe. :patriot:

[Initech]

17. Fundie cat fight!!!

:popcorn:

[ecstatic]

20. SMH @ evil illegal alien. It should be illegal for someone

THAT ignorant to call himself leading a church.

[Vogon_Glory]

31. If Preacher Drake Had Said The Same Things About Dubya...

If Preacher Drake had said the same things about Dubya, wouldn't he be on his way to Guantanamo? And wouldn't Faux, NewsMax, WND, and other components of the right-wing propaganda machine be cheering Dubya on for sending him there?

:crazy:

:tinfoilhat:

[Swamp Rat]

21. "Hohoho!! ... Daa chuba tinka!!"

"Mmmm... ubahn chone aleepa... heheh!"

[JeffR]

23. Stupid versus stupid.

I have a feeling stupid's gonna win...

[McCamy Taylor]

26. Holy Wars!

[Number23]

27. Lord, save us from these lunatics!

"Drake, who made last November's ballot as a vice-presidential candidate for the American Independent party, is a party to a lawsuit claiming Obama was born outside of the U.S., and is therefore ineligible to serve as president."

And that my friends, is all we need to know about Mr. Drake. Corrupt, crazy, cretinous clown.

[Pushed To The Left]

28. Wiley Drake makes Rick Warren look like Dennis Kucinich!

IIRC, Drake prayed for the deaths of members of Americans United. He is a sick and evil man.

[XOKCowboy]

29. This God dude sure sounds hateful and vengeful nt

[shadowknows69]

33. Down right asshole if ya ask me.

Glad I don't believe in that version.

[shadowknows69]

32. With Gods like that, who needs enemies?

When did God start micro-managing so much? I thought judgements were reserved for judgement day? Heaven or hell. Period. Now it seems he's back to the old "Zeus" like days of zapping people with thunderbolts for every little thing.

[Ioo]

39. So now Forging people are Evil? You know Jesus was not an American right?

Wow, these people are just so full of hate

[antipode]

40. Gotta wonder if somebody's covetatin' somebody's collection plate

:shrug:

[Owl]

41. A veritable clutch of lunatics.

[shadowknows69]

47. Already happened, have you seen his face?

[nini]

49. LOL

These people are fucking nuts. ALL of 'em.