What is Rick Warren's "purpose?"

[ColbertWatcher]

Poll question: What is Rick Warren's "purpose?"

I got the idea for this poll from DUer LeftyMom's reply in another thread:

Greed is a purpose.

Is that Warren's purpose? To be greedy?

What do you think the purpose driving Rick Warren's life is?

[MercutioATC]

1. I don't know the man, but I know people who hold some of the same beliefs.

It has nothing to do with power or money for them...they believe it's god's will.

I'm not prepared to speculate on Warren's motivations.

[ColbertWatcher]

2. I t may begin with faith, but absolute power does something absolute to people.

I understand not wanting to guess what his motivation is, but if he can question the motivations of people who disagree with him, then he can take his own medicine in an online, unscientific poll.

[MercutioATC]

5. I haven't seen him question others' motivations.

Mind you, I'm not defending the man...but his statements seem consistent with his stated beliefs.

You and I may disagree with his beliefs and his statements, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's lying. Without conflicting evidence, I'm willing to take him at his word.

[ColbertWatcher]

9. He has equated gay people with being pedophiles.

He cannot accept that two adults of the same sex can simply love each other. Instead he attributes their desire to share a life together to one pathology or another.

That, for me, is questioning people's motivations.

[MercutioATC]

16. How is that questioning their motivations?

It's a disgusting and illogical comparison, but it doesn't question any motivations.

His beliefs address homosexuality as a spiritual disease. His statements are consistent with that framework.

[ColbertWatcher]

22. I don't see how it's not.

He has been told homosexuality is not a choice.

He adjusts his "faith" to question the scientific evidence.

He has been told that adult homosexuals love each other.

He adjusts his faith to question their statements.

I really don't see how he isn't questioning other's motivations.

[MercutioATC]

30. I don't believe that he thinks they're lying or misleading anybody.

I believe he thinks they're spiritually sick.

If the question had been whether Warren's beliefs are a form of illness, we'd be having an apples to apples discussion. The question was whether Warren is 1) motivated by his faith, or 2) motivated by worldly things and just using his "faith" to achieve them.

An apples to apples question would be whether gays honestly believe that they love somebody of the same sex (and are spiritually sick) or just profess to have feelings so they can satisfy their carnal desires (which would constitute conscious misrepresentation).

[ColbertWatcher]

31. No, the question is whether Warren can take someone at their word, or ...

... if he can justify not taking someone at their word by using his religion as protection.

When someone tells you they are gay, you can either accept that or not.

What Warren and his ilk are doing is ignoring real people living in the world to protect his fragile beliefs.

Those beliefs include denying scientific evidence that people are born gay, that gay people can live to adulthood and gays make up more than 2% of the population.

His faith says man shall not lie down with man as with woman, whatever else he attaches to that is his own invention. And, he invents whatever he needs to justify his hatred.

[MercutioATC]

36. Maybe we're getting hung up on semantics, but I think there's a difference.

I don't believe that Warren questions gays' honesty, I believe he questions their spiritual health.

Most of the OP responses question Warren's honesty. They suggest that he's advancing his agenda not for spiritual purposes, but for personal gain. That's entirely different, in my opinion.

His beliefs may be offensive to me. They may fly in the face of logic and scientific evidence. I still think that he honestly believes them.

[ColbertWatcher]

38. Isn't lying a way to measure spiritual health?

Warren believes all gay people are lying to him, when they say they genuinely love each other.

Is that not a sign of some kind of pathology on his part?

I don't think we are hung up on semantics, I think Warren (and other people like him) are.

"I still think that he honestly believes them."

And that's where is problem lies: despite evidence to the contrary, he clings to an ancient book written by people who are relyied on a nomadic, desert tribe from a past even more ancient than they were.

No wonder Warren doesn't believe in evolution.

(BTW, I know you don't agree with him and that you are just trying to argue his point for him)

[MercutioATC]

49. If somebody insists to you that they believe in astrology, do you believe they're lying?

You may think that a belief in astrology is ludicrous or even wrong, but you don't assume a lie if somebody states a belief.

In the same way, I don't think that Warren believes that gays are lying. He just feels they're spiritually corrupted and that corruption is clouding their impressions.


...and, while I may personally agree with you that religion has no scientific support, belief (however bizarre) is not evidence of lying either.


Thanks for catching on that I really don't agree with Warren. This isn't about the difference in our beliefs, however...it's about accurately defining where Warren is coming from.

[U4ikLefty]

51. Warren is a LIAR and he LIED about Prop 8

I don't see how/why you are defending him.

Are you now aware of him LYING about Prop 8?

If Bu$h had chose him, we would be outraged.

[ColbertWatcher]

54. MercutioATC is not defending Warren.

He's trying to argue that Warren's faith is his motivation for his behavior.

[MercutioATC]

55. What does that have to do with this issue?

I'm not "defending" him, I'm simply asking that criticisms of him be logical.

[U4ikLefty]

59. I criticized him by calling him a LIAR.

He did LIE, but instead of you pointing that out, you go on about Astrology.

I know his preachings (being a Christian) & one sins is "bearing false witness" (lying). Like the way he LIED about Prop 8.

I guess he doesn't have a hard time with that one.

If you are not definding him, why do you make such an effort to make sure we "criticize him logically"?

[MercutioATC]

69. Again, what does that alleged lie have to do with the discussion at hand?

If your argument is something along the lines of "He lies and he's a bad man and everything he says and does is bad", that's fine...but I'm only addressing this one issue right now.

Have anything other than him being a generally bad person?

[U4ikLefty]

73. Straw Man alert!!!

I never charatcterized him as "a bad man"...that was your attempt at framing.

I called him a LIAR and thus a hypocryte because "bearing false witness" is a sin. A pretty big one for a preacher.

As far as I can see, your position is that he is acting/speaking on faith. I contend he choses to ignore his faith when it is convinient...like when he LIES about Prop 8.

[MercutioATC]

91. What was this Prop. 8 "lie"?

...and sinning doesn't make a preacher a hypocrite. ALL men are imperfect. That's allowed. Warren himself has admitted to having lustful thoughts.

[ColbertWatcher]

97. Admitting to impure thoughts is one thing.

Admitting to bearing false witness is another.

If he admits to having been deceitful in regards to the consequences of rescinding the rights of fellow Americans, what else will he lie about?

[Creideiki]

102. I'll give you two options:

Either Warren lied, or he's operating on an IQ somewhere that would keep milk good for more than 2 weeks.

When you equate homosexuality with pedophilia, that's either a lie or abject stupidity.

When you claim that same-sex marriage is the same as allowing polygamy, that's either a lie or abject stupidity.

When you claim that same-sex marriage is the same as bestiality, that's either a lie or abject stupidity.

So which is worse, putting a known liar who can't abide by 10 simple Commandments (let's leave out the Two that Jesus came up with for a moment) and insists on breaking one of those 10 basic Commandments so that he can harm his neighbors in a very real way (well, I guess that is breaking one of Jesus' Two Commandments) on the stage in front of potentially the largest national audience since the Super Bowl, or putting someone whose brain cells aren't firing on all cylinders up in front of that audience?

[ColbertWatcher]

52. I don't.

In fact, I was raised in a family that "believed" in astrology. ( I don't anymore, BTW)

However, my livelihood does not depend on repeating a myth started by a band of desert nomads a very, very long time ago. It won't hurt me financially (or egotistically, etc.) if my mind is opened by the world around me.

In regards to the religion/science question: I only mentioned science, because Warren repeats a lie that only 2% of the population is gay, despite evidence to the contrary.

Speaking of evidence, evidence for lying can be seen by anyone: when someone says one thing and contradicts it with their behavior, that person is lying.

Also, I didn't say believers are liars, I'm saying Warren is calling people who are gay liars, because he doesn't agree with them.

As far as where Warren is coming from, he is obviously going through a severe and public case of cognitive dissonance.

And, he's blaming everyone else for it.

[MercutioATC]

68. I might have missed something. Why do you think that Warren is calling them "liars"?

As I see it, he's calling them "spiritually corrupted", not "liars"...

You might also consider that, in the world in which he moves, Warren isn't experiencing any cognitive dissonance. We at DU tend to think that our "truths" are obvious and, therefore, must be realized by most people. That's not the case. Warren is operating in a world that not only supports his views, it actively calls on him for guidance related to his views.

The man believes he is right (or so I think)


(and I'm 100% with you on how irrelevant religion should be in our civil/legal lives)

[ColbertWatcher]

75. Because not many gay people have said they choose to be gay, yet ...

... Warren (and people like him) insist not only do gay people choose to be gay, they can be cured of it. To answer your question: Warren calls them liars when he keeps repeating something that has been proven false by most scientific measures.

"... the world in which he moves, Warren isn't experiencing any cognitive dissonance."

If he wants to act as a guide for people who seek his guidance, then he really ought to stick to direct quotes from his bible and stay far, far away from his poor adaptations to modern reality, where he is woefully misinformed.

In this bubble he chooses to live, Warren benefits from scientific and technological advances never mentioned in his bible, like airplanes, television, the YouTube (among others), while negating scientific facts that proves people do not choose to be gay and statistics showing that gay people make up more than 2% of the population, simply because they contradict the mythologies that pay his bills.

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/if_is_difficult_to_get_a_man_to_understand/164329.html">Upton Sinclair nailed Warren,

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it”

If that isn't cognitive dissonance, I don't know what is.

[ColbertWatcher]

57. I think I may have not been clear about something ...

... when I said

"Isn't lying a way to measure spiritual health?"

I did not mean that spiritual people are liars, I meant that for some people lying signifies spiritual trouble.

[Sebastian Doyle]

41. "homosexuality as a spiritual disease"???

Is eating a fucking ham sandwich a "spiritual disease"??

Is shaving your face a "spiritual disease"??

Is wearing two different goddamn fibers a "spiritual disease"??

What about tattoos and piercings? Hell, didn't Jesus have a few "piercings"? Guess God MUST have changed His mind about that, at least?

Well, it's about suppertime..... wonder if Red Spiritual Disease is open tonight?




Spiritual Disease AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[ColbertWatcher]

43. Some diseases are more spiritual than others. n/t

[Sebastian Doyle]

37. Which "God"?

It sure as Hell ain't the one whose birthday is celebrated tomorrow. Because people like Warren wipe their ass with His teachings.

On the other hand, there is someone whom the Bible refers to as "the god of this world", ( :evilgrin: )and when that being himself even made the same claim to Jesus in the Wilderness (all this I will give to you, if you bow down and worship me} Jesus refused his offer. But I'm not so sure the fundagelical televangelists did.

[ColbertWatcher]

39. Thank you, and this is yet another problem Warren has with this modern world. n/t

[johnnypneumatic]

3. Alfred said it in the Dark Knight.

Alfred Pennyworth: Because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

[ColbertWatcher]

4. Hmm, I never considered that.

He is a Dominionist, perhaps he also believes in helping the Apocalypse along as well?

[madeline_con]

84. CW, I've followed this conversation.....

It's really interesting. I think the guy just wanting to watch the world burn hits the nail on the head.

I can see the pathology behind the type who hastens destruction, thinking this is their moment of glory. All their works will finally come to fruition and be recognized by God. A strange breed ,some of these "men of the cloth".

[ColbertWatcher]

85. It is the most unique explanation. I'm still considering it. n/t

[Taverner]

6. Delusion

Anyone who values a book of fairy tales over compassion and logic is deluded

And that applies to Atheists (Stalin) as well as Theists (Warren)

Yes that's right, I just compared Rick Warren to Josef Stalin

[ColbertWatcher]

11. A "Godwin" is when someone brings up Hitler in a conversation (self-Godwin!) ...

... what's it called when someone brings Stalin into a conversation!?

[Taverner]

12. A Lenwin?

:P

[ColbertWatcher]

24. LOL! That's good enough for me! n/t

[YOY]

26. A "Bogviugraets"

That's "God"-"Wins" in Russian.

[ColbertWatcher]

32. LOL! Okay, I like that better ... but how do you pronounce it!? n/t

[YOY]

71. "Bowg-vwui-ig-rai-et"

n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

76. I'm gonna have to practice that a few times! Thank you! n/t

[Sebastian Doyle]

45. Godlesswin?

Stalin being an atheist and all :shrug:

[ColbertWatcher]

48. LOL! n/t

[Tikki]

7. Maybe he is a personality...

Like Spears and Hilton...he put himself on the big screen radar and right now
he is the guy...but MOST Christians I KNOW bounce around to different
churches i.e., guitar playing church, surfer church, choclatety
brownies church...


Tikki

[ColbertWatcher]

13. Interesting.

Although, I don't think Spears and Hilton have the same problem: Hilton is just young and extremely wealthy; Spears was genuinely sick.

[SharonAnn]

25. Oh, oh! I want to join the chocolatey brownie church!

[Tangerine LaBamba]

8. I think Rick Warren's "purpose" is

to finish the pie.

[ColbertWatcher]

15. That's a nice lookin' pie.

I just wonder how big it is and will he ever be able to finish it?

Will he ever share it? Or, will he just gorge himself until he starts to look like Swamp Rat's picture of him!?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

17. Judging from the looks of him,

his favorite of the Seven Deadly Sins is Gluttony, so my guess is there is no pie that will ever be big enough for him.

Will he share it? Oh, sure, provided the cameras are on.

What does Swamp Rat's picture look like?

[ColbertWatcher]

23. I don't want to give it away, so I will post a link to one of the threads he posted it in ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4713452&mesg_id=4713468

[Tangerine LaBamba]

27. Hoooookay.............

I'd say that's the Inner Rick Warren, only a few pies away from emerging.

How very disturbing.

Thank you for that. :toast:

[ColbertWatcher]

33. Don't thank me, thank Swamp Rat! n/t

[beac]

10. To cure all teh gay with his magical Jesus donuts.

Alas, teh gay don't seem to want his Jesus donuts so he's been forced to eat them all himself. He is now living The Adipose Driven Life.

[ColbertWatcher]

19. LOL! Jesus Donuts! Do you eat those with Jesus Juice!?

Here's a gift for you: http://www.wikiality.com/Jesus_Donuts

You can add your own stuff to it, just be sure to register a free account!

[beac]

62. THANK YOU!!

:woohoo:

My family made food bank donations this year in lieu of exchanging gifts, so not only is this is FANTASTIC present, but it is literally my BEST present!!

Now I have something to play with under the tree after I get a few hot toddys in me. :bounce:

I don't think I've been this excited since I got a Baby Yes n' No (aka the lamest mechanized doll EVER) when I was four years old. And your gift doesn't require batteries, so I won't have to have a HUGE tantrum because my father won't go on a pointless Xmas Day search for batteries. ;)


Thank you, Colbert Watcher. I hope your holidays are extra happy! :hi:

[ColbertWatcher]

66. Thank you, here's a card ...

[beac]

105. Love it. And it's so much more succinct than "Have a Merry

Already-Popular-Roman-Holiday-Saturnalia-Which-Was-Co-opted-by-Early-Christians-but-not-Really-Celebrated-for-300-years-until-Constantine-became-Emperor-and-effectively-moved-the-Birthday-forward-Three-Months-from-September-when-They-used-to-Celebrate-it!"

[TahitiNut]

14. When a person's "faith" is so weak that they must stamp out dissent by power of law ...

... I am perplexed that ANYONE would regard them as a spiritual guide.

[ColbertWatcher]

20. Well said. Thank you. n/t

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

90. So proposition 8 is about dissent?

That's funny I always thought it was about equal protection under the law.

David

[TahitiNut]

93. Another great example of "critical thinking" on DU.

:eyes:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

94. We're waiting.

[Name removed]

95. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

96. Just because you always lose arguments to me, there is no reason for the personal attacks.

Regardless, Merry Christmas and God bless you.

David

[YOY]

18. Other: RW Death-cult worship of a religion that I refuse to call "Christian"

So, technically I would answer "Jesus" but according to all sources Jesus was a really nice guy.

[ColbertWatcher]

21. "Jesus was a really nice guy" Yeah, some of his followers seem to be the problem. n/t

[ismnotwasm]

28. Megalomania

Or Religious mania driven mental disorder. Anyone that thinks the concept of eternal torment is reasonable is fucked up in the head on several different levels.

[ColbertWatcher]

34. Ahh, science! Is there nothing you can't do? Thank you for posting this! n/t

[waiting for hope]

29. I chose all of the above -

The preachers of these mega churches are all narcissistic, ego driven and motivated by money and attention. The most devout, faithful, Christian's out there you will never hear about for the simple reason that they are motivated by faith and the simple desire to help others.

i.e.:

Jim Bakker

Ted Haggard

And who could forget -

Jimmy Swaggart

[ColbertWatcher]

35. Exactly. Humility is not an egomaniac's strong point.

Churches with so much overhead can only do so much onto the most vulnerable among us ... http://www.wikiality.com/Church

[waiting for hope]

46. That was priceless!

Stephen Colbert acts as spiritual director to millions of little kids, namely through telepathy. His guidance is crucial in giving these children an opportunity to love the Baby Jesus. Jack Bauer is God's hit man. Beware of making Jack Bauer angry, because that means you've made God angry as well. Although his position is never certain, George W. Bush is important to God as well.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Chovexani]

40. I voted all of the above.

I'm very familiar with the megachurch celebrity pastor mindset, as a recovering Evangelical.

They believe God is in control and they are fulfilling his will, that the Lord has blessed them with these multimedia empires and given them a platform to spread the gospel. The taste of temporal and financial power becomes like a drug they can't put down. Slowly they start compromising even their own rigid principles because they can't get enough of the Mammon drug. They get high on being such Important Men of God, and their sheep-like congregations enable their dysfunction because they feel important by proxy, like they're part of something "greater than themselves" as my own mother's celebrity pastor loves to say (these guys are big on bumpersticker slogans). My mother proudly boasts of my ex-pastor jet setting around the world for various conferences on the church's dime and performing weddings for celebrities (Courtney B Vance and Angela Bassett among others) and the various born again professional athletes that attend services there.

And even as they build bigger and bigger Marriott-esque "campuses" masquerading as houses of worship, with more and more services, even as they rake in more and more cash from their burgeoning multimedia empires, they rationalize it as all being part of God's plan. It's not greed and excess, you see, it's happening because God has blessed their work and it's necessary to spread the gospel. There's nothing wrong with spending millions on gourmet restaurants and expensive tropical fish tanks for the lobby and special services at the local football stadium.

Celebrity pastors like Rick Warren, my own ex-pastor, and the like completely gloss over one of the only good things the apostle Paul ever said, in Colossians 2:8: See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

Warren's "Purpose Driven" nonsense and the like is nothing more than precisely the sort of shallow Catchphrase Christianity Paul warned against. The Prosperity Pimps fall squarely into what that verse is talking about also, which makes it so funny that Warren has preached against them (he's really no different than they are). It makes a mockery of what Jesus taught by presenting his teachings as a sort of corporate lifestyle seminar akin to Amway instead of something that transforms your heart and makes you a better person and compels you to pay that forward.

As an aside, I know the Bible very well. I often tell people that I was an evangelical Christian until I actually read the Bible.

[ColbertWatcher]

42. "I was an evangelical Christian until I actually read the Bible" quoted for truth. Thank you. n/t

[waiting for hope]

44. You are so right on this:

"As an aside, I know the Bible very well. I often tell people that I was an evangelical Christian until I actually read the Bible.

I helped my Dad out after he had hand surgery at the local community college - the time frame covered the end of the fall semester and the beginning of the spring, so I caught the end of The New Testament and the beginning of The Hebrew Scriptures. It was amazing to see how many people just wouldn't let go of what they perceived as the truth. In the first class, the teacher (a Presbyterian Minister) went into several theories on the purpose of Revelations. There were two students who wouldn't accept it to be anything other than the second coming, even with the history of the times to frame the book into context. In the next class, the teacher (a Rabbi), one of the first things he said was not to take everything literally, and there was a discussion of the two creation stories in Genesis. There were three in that class that couldn't wrap their heads around what the Rabbi was saying. They only lasted a month in that class. I think the real danger is teaching kids that the Bible is the literal word of God, written by God and that everything is sacred within it's pages. If that were the absolute truth, then there wouldn't be inconsistencies, contradictions and parts that scream for completion.

[Chovexani]

47. I really think Biblical inerrancy is a downright dangerous belief.

I completely agree with you.

What's really dangerous is that in these megachurches almost none of that important historical context is given. When it is, the amount of spin put on it is ridiculous.

I really did not understand that until I took a Western religions class in college.

[Creideiki]

99. This reminds me of something Lewis Black said

"In the next class, the teacher (a Rabbi), one of the first things he said was not to take everything literally, and there was a discussion of the two creation stories in Genesis. There were three in that class that couldn't wrap their heads around what the Rabbi was saying."

Black said that if you don't understand the Old Testament--the Book of his people--that he could explain it. Basically, the Jewish people know what they're good at and what they're good at is bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpqcBu3tpsk

[ColbertWatcher]

103. Love Lewis Black, funny, funny guy ...

... here's another clip from that same show ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ANrvQC4wIk

[marimour]

50. who knows? he could be a gready megapreacher or he could actually believe his bs/

Not talking about religion being bs but his statements comparing incest, pedohilia etc.

[ColbertWatcher]

60. He reminds me of people who love the sound of their own voices.

He may truly believe everything, but he can't stop himself from talking nonstop.

And, when that happens, he's going to keep sticking his feet in his mouth.

I think I stumbled on the reason why some monks take a vow of silence.

[Nay]

53. Other--to serve as a bad example for others. Asshole.

[ColbertWatcher]

58. "See kiddies, don't be like Rick, he's an asshole." n/t

[Initech]

56. His purpose is to make non religious people feel stupid.

[ColbertWatcher]

61. Not just non-religious people.

And not just stupid.

Warren believes anyone who does not believe exactly as he does is wrong, stupid and should be shunned by society due to their "abnormalities."

[beac]

63. Then he's doing a REALLY bad job b/c watching him blather on about

"Christophobia" makes me feel like one smart atheist!

[burythehatchet]

64. To see his pecker again before he dies.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

65. Jesus isn't driving him...

...the purpose driving Rick Warren's life is to sell cheap crap emblazoned with "40 Days of Purpose" to so-called "Christians" who are SO AFRAID of displeasing God that if they believe they can PLEASE him by purchasing Warren's crap, they will buy it.

I'm not going to post a link for this...anyone who wants to find it can type "rick warren 40 days of purpose" into Google like I did.

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$30 per head will buy a LOT of donuts and water for Rick's many gay friends.

:eyes:

[Muttocracy]

67. Would Jesus build a megachurch? hmmm...

[ColbertWatcher]

79. ...

Please see the caption for the second picture at this link: http://www.wikiality.com/Church

[Muttocracy]

92. ...

:rofl:

[IndianaGreen]

70. Warren wants to join the Pope in pruning the forest

of undesirables.

[ColbertWatcher]

80. Nice choice of words. Thank you. n/t

[DesertRat]

72. I think it's to bring people into the church. n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

81. He only wants to bring CERTAIN people into his church. n/t

[hfojvt]

74. Why do people say greed?

Does he not give away 90% of his income? Does he still make $1 million a year or some other outrageous sum after doing do? Of course, I would consider $120,000 to be an outrageous sum, but it's not so outrageous if you could have made $1.2 million. Also, billionaire David Koch reportedly gives away half of his income, but his wealth still grows by leaps and bounds and he does not give THAT increase away. Plus, David gives to self-serving "charities" like the Cato Institute and Heritage Foundation which push for policies which allow him to keep more of his money.

[ColbertWatcher]

77. Please see Amerigo Vespucci's post #65 above. n/t

[alfredo]

78. Making money and getting laid is the motivation behind most men.

[ColbertWatcher]

83. He seems to see himself above other men. n/t

[alfredo]

86. We are also very good at deluding ourselves.

[ColbertWatcher]

88. LOL! He did make that crack about sleeping with beautiful women, didn't he!? n/t

[alfredo]

89. If he wasn't so rich he'd have a hard time scoring with his own hand

[madeline_con]

82. Jesus isn't driving him...

Jesus is his copilot.

All of the above. He looks like a gluttonous fool.

[ColbertWatcher]

87. "Those whom the gods would destroy, etc."

I guess gluttonous fool is one of the many steps before madness.

[backscatter712]

98. God brings all people to this world with a purpose...

In some cases, that purpose is to serve as a bad example. :evilgrin:

[ColbertWatcher]

100. Lately, it seems, in many cases. n/t

[LeftyMom]

101. Based on the interview I've seen, it's converting cheese whiz to human flesh.

Man-on-man buttsecks is forbidden, along with everything else, in some pile of minutia in Leviticus. It's really not that important, or it'd get prominent billing somewhere in the Commandments or the Deadly Sins or the Sermon on the Mount (heh) or something. Nope, it's down there in between the parts about how far out of the camp to shit and the begats, where Lord knows most readers have long since fallen asleep.

Gluttony, meanwhile, is a deadly sin (the others, if I recall them correctly from CCD, are Sloth, Lust, Wrath, Comet, Cupid and Dopey.) Since the wages of sin is death (It's in that book you're banging, Rick. No not "A Purpose Driven Life"- the other one.) the way I figure it's about time that the Saddleback crowd bought an apple and a spit for their self-basting pastor.

[Creideiki]

104. Not fair!

I need a warning before I read that stuff!

:spray:

(For the record, I think the deadly sin I'm most susceptible to is Cupid.)