Jerry Nadler Should Get Hillary's Senate Seat

[stopbush]

Nadler was my district's rep in Manhattan when he served in the NY State Assembly. He is a hands-on guy who studies and understands issues and has always gone to bat for the common man and for the Constitution.

He was first elected to the US Congress in 1992. He has spoken out against Bushco. He is one of the most-liberal Reps in Congress. He was a vocal and ardent defender of the Constitution during the Clinton impeachment sham. He is the Chairman of the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties Subcommittee. He is one of the most-vocal defenders of the First Amendment, most notably in his vigorous support of the Constitutional separation of church and state. He has fought hard to preserve a woman's right to choice. He has introduced legislation to strip the PATRIOT ACT of sections that take away our Constitutional rights.

Jerry Nadler has EARNED the right to this Senate seat. He may not have the name recognition of some, but he has the RECORD and the philosophy that every Dem should admire.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. sounds like he will make a great Senator

Has he expressed interest in the position?

[stopbush]

2. Yes, he has.

[itsrobert]

3. How's his health?

?

[stopbush]

4. Don't know. He had gastric bypass surgery and dropped a lot of weight,

but there's no use pretending he's in "Obama shape."

I certainly wouldn't let health "issues" enter into such a choice. The healthiest person can get hit by a bus, after all.

[brooklynite]

42. I've had dinner with him.....he's gained a lot back

[Me.]

5. Sorry, But No Way

He's my rep and both he and his people have been exceedingly curt on the matter of impeachment as well as other matters. He has, at times, refused to even discuss it with the very people who voted him in. Not discuss the egregious behavior of * and Cheney? I ask you? He's been a disappointment in recent years and furthermore, I don't believes he has the standing to win a statewide election.

[bottomtheweaver]

7. I imagine that's what's making him so popular.

His price is lower than Caroline's.

[stopbush]

8. Hmm. What's Caroline Kennedy's stance on impeaching bush?

Is that a litmus test for you? If so, then you need to apply it fairly.

"A disappointment in recent years?" How recent?

[Me.]

36. I Don't Know

But then she isn't my rep and I haven't called her office to ask her. And frankly, NY polls don't even consider him a contender. Caroline is first with Cuomo second.

I used to like him but his dealings with the impeachment matter is a complete turn-off. It says to me he's either playing politics 'Pelosi style' or he doesn't consider the criminal acts of */Cheney serious enough. And as far as mine being one of the votes that has kept him in office until now, I sure as heck expect at least a fair hearing of the view that I and others hold on this matter. What has been done is terrible and had we held Nixon and Raygun accountable these last 8 years might never have come to pass. Yet here we are again, no accountability because it isn't politic.

[Alexander]

9. Everyone to the right of Kucinich has refused to discuss impeachment.

Including my former representative, Democrat John Larson.

As disappointing as it is, I never really thought the Democrats were ever going to impeach Bush or Cheney. Pelosi promised not to, and lived up to that promise.

Does that necessarily mean Nadler would make a bad Senator? I don't think so.

How many US Senators have advocated impeachment? Not even Russ Feingold supports it.

Besides, in 25 days or so, the issue is moot anyway. I don't think you could find a serious contender for the New York Senate seat who supports impeachment. Does that mean we should just leave it vacant? :shrug:

[Me.]

37. It Is The Refusal To Discuss That's Troubling

At the very least one expects a respectful gearing

[Alexander]

38. Yes, it is. But about 90% of elected Democrats won't touch it.

As troubling as it is, I can think of many Democrats who were far worse offenders than Jerry Nadler.

[Me.]

39. I Agree With You

However, they're not my reps. I will also venture to say that I'm not alone in my disappointment. The way he had conducted himself in the past had us thinking he would be open to at least meeting with representative groups, which he refused to do. I understand the argument against it but don't buy it. At some point, the leaders in this country are going to have to do the right, albeit difficult, thing. Glenn Greenwald had a wonderful column about a Ruth Marcus piece where she made the case against impeachment. It was full of the DC insider reasoning. What she doesn't get, as most of them don't, is that holding people responsible for their actions is the only real deterrent against the same being committed again. Members of Congress have yet to learn this but it seems to me that with the piling up that is occurring, both in gov. and the world of finance, they will either figure it out or they will be the ones held accountable.

[Alexander]

40. As far as the Senate goes, Nadler would be up there with Feingold.

Voted against the PATRIOT Act and the Iraq War.

Not even Feingold or Wellstone ever advocated impeachment.

Nadler's not 100% perfect, but nobody is, so I'll take what I can get.

I imagine you'd still vote for Nadler in 2010 if he was appointed to the seat.

[Me.]

41. He's Late To The Game

And I don't think he has a chance. Others are polling far better than he. He's not known upstate and I'm fairly sure others can raise more money than he can.

[Alexander]

45. Yes, but I'd still be happy with him.

I expect Caroline Kennedy will get the seat, which is fine with me, but I'd be equally happy with Nadler.

[stopbush]

44. Nadler has sent a letter calling for an investigation of bushco.

See here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4720601

[Me.]

46. As I Noted In Another Thread

Now? After blowing the matter off for a couple of years. Amazing how an open senate seat can change a person's mind.

[Alexander]

47. Better than the many Democrats who still don't want an investigation.

Many of them are US Senators, too.

[Alexander]

6. I've always said he would make a great Senator.

If it isn't Caroline Kennedy, I hope it's Nadler.

[bottomtheweaver]

10. Uh huh, yeah. You bet.

You sure convinced me, anonymous internet partisan. I'm so glad you spoke up.

[Alexander]

11. Try looking at his record.

I did, and I found it impressive.

[bottomtheweaver]

12. Oh I'm sure he's a real peach.

Please.

[Alexander]

14. If you want to remain ignorant, that's your business.

I myself would love to see another US Senator who opposed both the Iraq War and the PATRIOT Act from the beginning.

Maybe you wouldn't?

[bottomtheweaver]

24. Ignorant of the fact that the voted for the bailout?

As a matter of fact I find that very interesting indeed.

[Alexander]

26. Yet he was against the PATRIOT Act, Iraq War and the Bankruptcy Bill.

As for the bailout, Barack Obama also voted for it.

Do you think he's unqualified, based on that?

:eyes:

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[Alexander]

15. I'm starting to wonder myself. He talks shit about Democrats without backing it up.

I wonder why?

:shrug:

[bottomtheweaver]

18. You're not making a very good case for Nadler.

But I don't imagine Nadler is really the issue here, is it.

[Alexander]

19. I've already given you facts. You attack Nadler with ZERO facts.

What is it, exactly, about Nadler that bothers you?

I've already stated several of his positions that many DUers, including myself, agree with.

[bottomtheweaver]

23. The fact is that he voted for the bailout.

Now why did you forget to give us that fact, I wonder?

[Alexander]

27. And against the PATRIOT Act, Iraq War and Bankruptcy Bill.

You really want to repeat this bailout crap over and over, don't you?

Barack Obama voted for the bailout, do you support him or not?

BTW, I thought "Bye now" meant you were putting me on Ignore.

I guess you can't even follow through on that. :rofl:

[bottomtheweaver]

16. Thirteen posts and you're already insulting members?

What happened to Jerry's stellar qualifications?

[Alexander]

17. You mean, the qualifications you continue to ignore?

If opposing the Iraq War, the Bankruptcy Act and the PATRIOT Act isn't enough for you, what is?

:shrug:

[bottomtheweaver]

20. You don't need to insult me, but thanks all the same.

Bye now. :hi:

[Alexander]

21. I didn't insult you. If you have trouble reading, that's your problem.

"Bye now."

Does that mean you're leaving? Or would that be too much to hope for?

[bottomtheweaver]

22. The Bailout Vote: Aye NY-8 Nadler, Jerrold (D)

http://www.washingtonwatch.com/blog/2008/09/30/the-bailout-vote/

Looks like he's "EARNED" his right to that seat after all.

[Alexander]

25. How about the PATRIOT Act vote? The Iraq War vote? The Bankruptcy Bill?

Seems like you're just cherry-picking votes to make Nadler look bad.

Enjoy your stay.

[bottomtheweaver]

28. I wonder why you resort to insults. Do you even live in NY?

Does the thread starter? Just curious.

[Alexander]

29. I resort to facts. You can't refute them, so you whine and play victim.

Your sole reason for opposing Nadler, it seems, is that he voted for the bailout.

So did Barack Obama.

Can you play any other tunes? Or are you just going to repeat "bailout" over and over and make vague, unsubstantiated claims that Nadler is corrupt?

BTW, if you look at my profile, you can see where I live. I can't say the same about you.

Do you live in New York? Are only New Yorkers entitled to have an opinion about this? :shrug:

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[Alexander]

31. Yes. And if enough people Alert on them, they will be off this board.

Thankfully.

[bottomtheweaver]

32. Do you live in NY? And why are you insulting me?

And if you've been here so long, why don't you that know you're violating the rules everyone is asked to agree to when joining?

Very curious.

[Alexander]

33. Do you? And why do you keep suggesting Nadler is corrupt?

You want rules? I'll give you rules.

"Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office."

Now, apart from the bailout, which even our President-elect voted for, do you have any real evidence Nadler is corrupt or not supportive of progressive ideals?

We're waiting...

[bottomtheweaver]

34. I never claimed to and I'm going to ignore this thread now, good bye.

[Alexander]

35. For real this time? Or is this ignore threat as empty as your last one?

Please ignore this thread.

You've contributed nothing constructive to it.

[pnwmom]

43. The people I know upstate think he'd have a hard time getting votes there

compared to some of the other possible nominees, including Kennedy.

[AtomicKitten]

48. The "should get" part itself is an argument & has been used against Caroline for weeks here. n/t

[whistler162]

49. Yup... because he is sooooooo much better than

any upstate possibilities.

Like we need another white/male/downstater as Senator!
If Paterson doesn't chose Caroline Kennedy then hopefully he considers Bea Gonzalez or ANY other upstate politician.