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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:42 AM
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Impeach ALL OF THEM NOW!
Jesselyn Radack posted a fantastic diary at kos. I highly recommend reading it and making comments and recommending it. I've been saying this all along, but what they did to her is proof of a systematic crime and is an impeachable offense.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/16/53337/5384
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:59 AM
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1. the hell with hearings - go straight to impeachment (k&r) n/t
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:19 AM
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9. Absolutely -- "investigations" say "we're fishing; we don't have a case"
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 09:00 AM
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2. Do America a favor - jail'em
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 09:09 AM
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3. I don't see how they can go on with a new scandal day after day
without it leading to eventual impeachment. That being said I can wait a little while longer while they ferret out some more wrong doing. Another 6 months and the constant parade of scandals will take their toll. We need a list so long that only the most partisan person would try to argue against it. It's death by a thousand cuts not just for Bush but for the Republic party that I'm shooting for.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:06 AM
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4. at work. please keep thread k and r'd. Everyone should see this
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:07 AM
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5. k&r
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:08 AM
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6. criminal scum
as is anyone who still supports them
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:14 AM
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7. Caution: Don't get trapped in legalistic argument. . .
Edited on Thu Mar-22-07 10:17 AM by pat_k
While I applaud all calls for impeachment, one of the biggest barriers to impeachment, both inside and outside the beltway bubble, is the widespread, wrong-headed, legalistic view of it.

The "case" for impeachment is incredibly simple. Bush and Cheney are waging war on the Constitution http://journals.democraticunderground.com/pat_k/21">in plain sight. More than enough for at least a half-dozen impeachments is in the public record -- no investigation required. They could vote out a new set up articles weekly, and they could start this week. The only thing stopping them is the bubble of immobiling group think, rationalization, self-censorship, and denial they are currently trapped in.

It is critical that we keep a few things front and center:

. . .
  • They are Congress, not the Courts.

  • Impeachment is a political process, not a judicial process.

  • Impeachment is defensive; not punitive.

    We charge Congress with the duty to defend against threats to the Constitution. Impeachment is the weapon we gave them to remove a threat by removing an official's power to harm. This is the first, and most urgent, priority.

    Retribution for violations of U.S. Code and International Law is for the Courts (both here and at the Hague), not Congress.

  • Impeachment is bound only by the intentionally vague guidance provided by our Constitution; judicial processes are bound by our substantial body of written law and precedent.

    Members of Congress must make a personal judgment grounded in moral principle and the intent of the law. There are no legalisms or complex 'technicalities' that can trump reality. They must be guided by their oath and their conscience.

    Members of the House must decide for themselves what constitutes an impeachable offense. The House as a body defines the what steps are necessary or unnecessary to impeach. Senators decide for themselves whether articles of impeachment transmitted from the House merit impeachment, and what standard of proof to apply.

  • The interests that an impeachment seeks to balance are very different from the interests that a criminal prosecution seeks to balance.

    • In a criminal trial, the standard of proof seeks to strike a balance between mistakenly:
      1. depriving a citizen of their rights
      2. releasing a guilty individual

      When balanced against the sanctity of our civil rights, the risk of releasing a guilty person loses.

      To tip the scales in favor of protecting civil rights, a very high standard of proof is applied (beyond reasonable doubt).

    • In an impeachment, the standard of proof seeks to strike a balance between mistakenly
      1. depriving an official of the privilege of power
      2. leaving power in the hands of an official who is subverting the Constitution or otherwise abusing that power

      Each Senator must decide for themselves what standard to apply, but when balanced against the sanctity of our Constitution, the risk of mistakenly depriving an official of the privilege of power should lose, particularly when you consider that power is granted to elected officials; it is not a basic civil right.

      To tip the scales in favor of protecting the Constitution, a lower standard of proof is required (e.g., probable cause, preponderance of the evidence). When Members of Congress, opinion leaders, or fellow citizens assert that a higher standard applies, we should challenge them whenever possible.

    In the case of Bush and Cheney, we have proofs that meet a standard much higher than impeachment calls for.

    When we recognize the purpose of impeachment, it becomes crystal clear that. . .

    Impeachment has been a moral imperative for years.

    http://journals.democraticunderground.com/pat_k/20">More. . .

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:18 AM
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8. K&R
www.impeach07.org
www.sfimpeachnow.com
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:27 AM
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10. Please recommend goverup1's diary--another whistleblower...
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:46 AM
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11. kick
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