The eagerly awaited Part 2 of Dennis Prager's sexual advice to women is here!! Yay.

[Bucky]

When a Woman Isn't In the Mood: Part II
by Dennis Prager

In Part I, I made the argument that any woman who is married to a good man and who wants a happy marriage ought to consent to at least some form of sexual relations as much as possible. (Men need to understand that intercourse should not necessarily be the goal of every sexual encounter.)

In Part II, I advance the argument that a wife should do so even when she is not in the mood for sexual relations. I am talking about mood, not about times of emotional distress or illness.

      Thanks for clearing up that ambiguity, Dave! Wouldn't want folks thinkin' you're heartless.

Here are eight reasons for a woman not to allow not being in the mood for sex to determine whether she denies her husband sex.

1. If most women wait until they are in the mood before making love with their husband, many women will be waiting a month or more until they next have sex.

      Hmmm, gee, I wonder what woman he interviewed before deciding women don't like sex? Hmmm.

2. Why would a loving, wise woman allow mood to determine whether or not she will give her husband one of the most important expressions of love she can show him? What else in life, of such significance, do we allow to be governed by mood?

      Love is an emotion, ladies. Don't let your feelings get in the way of your man expressing his emotions!

What if your husband woke up one day and announced that he was not in the mood to go to work?

      Okay, kids, can anyone spot the logical flaw in this analogy?

If this happened a few times a year, any wife would have sympathy for her hardworking husband. But what if this happened as often as many wives announce that they are not in the mood to have sex? Most women would gradually stop respecting and therefore eventually stop loving such a man.

      Or even... God forbid... get jobs themselves! Nah, I kid, Dave-oh. Seriously, where ya getting these stats?

What woman would love a man who was so governed by feelings and moods that he allowed them to determine whether he would do something as important as go to work?

      Ah, I see where you're coming from. A man goes to work, but a women "goes to work." Wink-wink.


Why do we assume that it is terribly irresponsible for a man to refuse to go to work because he is not in the mood, but a woman can -- indeed, ought to -- refuse sex because she is not in the mood? Why?

      Dude.   Get help.



As a caveat to potential readers... this article starts off being pretty funny. By the end I swear any decent human heart will see, deep down inside, there's a young and long-since traumatized pre-adolescent Dennis crying out for help.

[Recursion]

Eyes bug out

1. If most women wait until they are in the mood before making love with their husband, many women will be waiting a month or more until they next have sex.

Dennis... Dennis... you have seriously been hanging out with the wrong women. Or you creep them out.

[rucky]

1. K&R

This is the stuff that Pulitzers are made of

[blogslut]

2. Well, that explains Prager's two divorces.

Wouldn't it be awesome if one of the former Mrs. Pragers wrote a little article about little Dennis' sexual proclivities?

[Bucky]

4. It may or may not be awesome. I can assure you...

Even if it's written and widely published, I will never know first hand how awesome such an article might be.

 

[NanceGreggs]

3. Your analysis is priceless!!!

:rofl:

[noamnety]

5. I need help navigating that site.

I see where you can flag a comment as offensive, but where's the thingie to flag a columnist as offensive?

[Bucky]

6. What precisely do you find offensive here?

I mean, other than laying down the intellectual argument supporting marital rape.

[noamnety]

7. I'm sorry, that was insensitive of me.

I shouldn't mock the guy. He must be dealing with a lot of difficult challenges in his life - what with apparently having both his hands amputated.

[Skittles]

19. LOL lwfern

you slay me :rofl:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

8. Guys like Dennis need to believe that women really don't like sex.

Otherwise, they have to consider the possibility that women just don't want sex with THEM.

[LisaM]

9. Does he have a manifesto that also means that men

must supply sex-on-demand to women?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

13. I'm going to guess....no.

In his first installment he made some comment to the effect that marriages with a higher-sex-drive disparity on the part of the wife were "different". Since Prager espouses the belief that men are raging libidinous beasts while women are passive recepticles, I'm going to surmise that Dennis sees a woman with a high sex drive as being deviant and threatening.

[MagickMuffin]

10. Could "women not being in the mood"

have anything to do with with the men ONLY wanting to satisfying themselves, and NOT having to satisfy the woman?.?.?

"Woman I gave you 3 minutes of sex, what more do you want from me?" Rolls over and falls asleep.

When Dennis gets his Virgina then he can become an "expert" on women. Until then, STFU Dennis!:grr:

[zazen]

15. were I trapped in marriage with Denis, I'd be grateful it was only 3 minutes n/t

[muntrv]

11. Dennis thinks this makes up for the fact that a flea urinates through a bigger

organ than he does.:evilgrin:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

12. "What if your husband woke up one day and announced that he was not in the mood to go to work? "

That one really gets me. Leaving aside Dennis' premise that the majority of marriages have a male breadwinner, it would depend on why my husband didn't want to go to work. Are we talking about a horrid job, or does he simply not want to work? Since Dennis seems to be inclined to view sex as a wife's "job" then shouldn't he consider that she might find the working conditions disagreeable?

My personal theory, and please don't flame me but it's based on my own and friends' experience, is that some women get into relationships with or marry men they are not very physically attracted to. Because conventional wisdom holds that women don't like sex and women aren't visually and physically oriented (this is clearly what Prager believes), some women get involved with men because they are nice or "good providers" or whatever. They may be able to generate some sexual enthusiasm for a time but eventually they can't muster it up anymore, as those little nagging annoyances that crop up in every relationship become present. At that point they become less interested in being physical with their partner, though they may still appreciate other aspects of the relationship. When you add children and her job into the mix the desire can go right out the window. It's horribly unfortunate and unfair to the man in this situation, but the last thing he (or his wife) needs is crappy advice from a bitter wingnut marital rape apologist like Dennis Prager.

But regardless, if someone is constantly being refused sex by his/her partner (barring a physical or emotional problem) they have every right to be upset about it and the couple should have a serious talk. If it doesn't look like it's going to change, then they should either accept it or move on.

[zazen]

14. Prager, quoting a divorcee: “Had I known this while I was married, he would never have divorced me.”

As ex-partners of sex addicts know, no amount of vamping and sex is going to keep them faithful (completely apart from the issue of gendered ageism that leads some guys to dump their partners for younger ones).

He's sort of like the Ed McMahon of right-wing idiots. Interesting to tease out how they're defining themselves. I get "fake it until you make it"--a tried and true 12-step strategy, and a fair point that huggybear feelings are sometimes given too much uncritical priority, for Foucauldian reasons he couldn't possibly understand, but whatever. But then he uses the old standby--"different sexual natures of men"--to elide the question of why they can't just fake not acting like a sexual predator in their own home to avoid that "post-60s" elevation of feeling over behavior.

Oh, and here's a gem. "If her husband is a decent man -- if he is not, nothing written here applies -- " Just a few bad apples, those rare indecent men. . . .

This website is so awful. I guess I should say thanks for alerting me to it. I keep getting a pop-up of Ann Coulter's new "book," with a picture of her on the cover corseted in black.

[Gwendolyn]

16. He's applying a bastardized version of the old wisdom...

"If you don't believe, just keep performing the mitzvahs, and eventually the belief will come."

He's a 60-year-old religious conservative. What other advice would anyone expect him to dispense. And who but others like him would take bedroom advice from a twice-divorced old patriarch?

Another poster made the comment that people have all sorts of reasons for marrying that don't include physical attraction, so of course, after a few kids there's no reason to close one's eyes and think of country and queen anymore. But if you're going to submit to the religious conservative lifestyle, as a woman you can't really expect to find yourself a deliciously sensitive partner, so yes, I suppose his advice to shut up and put out seems perfectly reasonable.

On the other hand, it would be a mitzvah for everyone else if he just put a sock in it.

[Bucky]

31. Classic line! "OTOH, it would be a mitzvah for everyone else if he just put a sock in it"

:rofl:

(Remind me never to piss you off - On the other other hand, I thank you for your sensitivity to those of us who actually do like to close our eyes and fantasize about Queen Elizabeth during sex. Lord knows that lady's gotten me through more than a few unfortunate partnerings.)

[Starry Messenger]

17. Happy to rec. this for the LOL.

I wondered why this was on Townhall until I read down to this part:

"6. Yet another outgrowth of ’60s thinking is the notion that it is “hypocritical” or wrong in some other way to act contrary to one’s feelings. One should always act, post-’60s theory teaches, consistent with one’s feelings. Therefore, many women believe that it would simply be wrong to have sex with their husband when they are not in the mood to. Of course, most women never regard it as hypocritical and rightly regard it as admirable when they meet their child’s or parent’s or friend’s needs when they are not in the mood to do so. They do what is right in those cases, rather than what their mood dictates. Why not apply this attitude to sex with one’s husband? Given how important it is to most husbands, isn’t the payoff -- a happier, more communicative, and loving husband and a happier home -- worth it?"

Why do I have the feeling the word "feminazi" has crossed this man's lips at some point in his life?

[Skittles]

18. this man is very bad in bed so his wife never "gave him any"

hence he hates all women

[Gregorian]

20. Haha! Why does this make me think of Morrissey?

I LOVE this tune!

So thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfkvPnjb9hs


Damn, this video pretty much sums up that article. The visuals are horrible!

[Solon]

21. Someone get this man a fleshlight, he desperately needs it!

OMFG, this man is seriously demented, and pathetic. :rofl:

[FloridaJudy]

22. Um...he compares a man's job to a woman's having sex?

1) If lovemaking's a chore, he's obviously doing it wrong.
2) They have a word for women like that. In fact, they have several: none of them are flattering.

[noamnety]

29. Maybe at some point

he was told by a boss that he was going to get laid off, and he just didn't hear that last word.

[whatchamacallit]

23. I believe science will discover the "Asshole Gene" present in all republicans. n/t

[Gregorian]

24. Oh dear. This could easily turn into a musical thread.

Step into my office


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMBTUYZeHPk

[ismnotwasm]

25. Mood?

Is that like, not tonight I have a headache?

Or a Rodney Dangerfield punchline--Now take my wife-- please. Or that old Geritol commercial, "My wife, I think I'll keep her"?

How twilight zone, the never really existed 1950's of him.

It's about desire is it not? Where is he getting this anachronistic terms like "mood" when it comes to female sexuality and desire? Is he saying, Men desire-- or at least have evidently uncontrollable erections-- and women have "moods"?

Pardon me for a second. Ewww, Ewww, Ewwwwwwwwwwww. Puking and toilet flushing sound effects.


Fucking gross man. The thought of some poor women in bed with this man is stomach churning. I'm talking Really Repulsive and enough make me have a mood of mine own.

He's a blooming idiot, and least a potential rapist judging by his previous nonsense. Who HAS to be one of the world's lousiest lays. Has to be. No one could think that warped and selfishly and understand the nature of at the very least, a DECENT sexual experience. Apparently his sexual imagination is not much beyond to the knothole in the fence or a little personal time in the bathroom variety.

[ladym55]

26. Wow. I have two questions about Dennis Prager

1) Is he able to walk upright, or do his knuckles drag on the ground?

2) Is he advanced enough to have opposable thumbs?

[seabeyond]

27. wrong place

[seabeyond]

28. talked to husbands buddy for umpteenth time just last week about he never has sex

with his wife.

he has been married 16 yrs. i have known him 14 and that has been consistent from him. he is also a pig. disrespectful. full of himself. uses porn to make her feel bad. works at having affairs (never successfull that i know of) and checks out little girls in front of wife and makes crude comments.

and she wont have sex with him

go figure....

on the other hand, men that love the wife, respectful, kind (using my hubby as description) just does not have the same issue.

i think this says more about the dude that wrote the article than women

[snot]

30. Wonder if he thinks it's a husband's duty

to give his wife a good sex life even after they're "over the hill"? Most women I know remain willing and able a lot longer than their men . . .

[Bucky]

32. I recall reading somewhere that the Peggy Bundy syndrome is much more common than...

... the frigid wife scenario. But personally I'm having trouble imagining sex with a partner who's just no "into it". I mean, which is better--getting busy with a spouse who's just lying there or suspecting afterwords that your love is being given to someone who's just putting on an act?

The thing that seems to be missing from Prager's analysis is the part where one engages in open, honest communication with one's life mate. I'd sure call that a family value.

[snot]

38. I have trouble with this whole thing.

First, can't imagine remaining married to someone w/ whom I don't share enough affection to bring each other off now and then.

Second, can't imagine not wanting to, even if love were lacking.

But hey, I'm just a girl.

[4_TN_TITANS]

33. Poor Dennis....

Obviously attempting to dictate the behavior of women to compensate for his lack of attractiveness. More Republican sexual issues, is that some sort of party prerequisite.

[LeftHander]

34. As long as he keeps the underside of his apron clean...

...

[wryter2000]

35. I guess women don't have jobs

Doesn't this bozo realize that most women have jobs and most of them are seldom "in the mood" to go to the damned jobs but they haul their asses out of bed to do it, anyway?

[Evoman]

36. I've never had problems getting laid. Maybe it's because I treat my gf well and don't advocate rape

Forcing women to have sex with you may be detrimental to them wanting to have sex with you or even liking you. Imagine that.

[seabeyond]

37. yup. n/t