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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 11:48 AM
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The End of the Green Party: "The Green Party now lies in the political graveyard"

December 30, 2008

Identity Politics, R.I.P.
The End of the Green Party
By JOHN WALSH

After the election of ’08 it is clearer than ever that the Green Party of the U.S. (GPUS) now lies in the political graveyard. GPUS, R.I.P. Here we attempt a badly needed postmortem.

Little Ballot Access Work and Less Fund Raising.

As 2008 unfolded, it was clear to all that ballot access was priority number one for the GPUS and fundraising priority number two. So I volunteered to be on the Ballot Access Committee, whose chair was also co-chair of the entire National Committee. But the Ballot Access Committee was completely inactive, much to my surprise; it had few members, no co-chair as required, and had never held a conference call! I tried to arrange a conference call, but the chair was clearly not eager to do so. Another GPUS activist from CT joined my effort, and together we eventually managed a conference call. But the talk was empty and impractical. As it came time for our first ballot access effort in one Western state, we were stymied by lack of funds. The fund raising effort was also non-existent. We managed to raise enough money for that first effort due to a bootstrap effort by a CA activist and Nader supporter who was not even on the committee. But it was clear that there was no meaningful fund raising effort. No serious ballot access work, priority one; and no serious fund raising, priority two. It became crystal clear that the GPUS was “not serious,” as has been said so often. Shortly thereafter I resigned from the NC.

Nader Decides Not to Challenge McKinney for 2008 Presidential Nomination.

As the nominating convention drew near in the summer of 2008, the two leading candidates were Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney. Both have done many fine things, but Nader clearly was the better known candidate with more fund raising prowess and with likelihood of having an impact in ’08. But he scared the hell out of the DemoGreens who knew quite well that he would challenge Obama on many issues ranging from the war on Afghanistan to Single-payer health care in an effective way that would receive more publicity than McKinney, whatever her other virtues, might garner. The DemoGreens wanted no compromise when it came to Nader. And although Nader could surely have won the nomination, he withdrew wishing no fight with McKinney, which would have only exacerbated the divisions in the GPUS. Here Nader was not only magnanimous, but he was right in a larger sense as shown below.

The Presidential Election and the Humiliating Performance of the GPUS.

The great fear among the Naderites was that without the help of the GPUS, Nader could not get on the ballot in a sufficient number of states since the GPUS already had ballot access in many places due to the work of many at the grass roots (this author included) . So how did the election work out? The statistics are quite revealing. Starting from scratch and raising money as he went, Nader got on the ballot in 45 states plus DC. McKinney using the Green “infrastructure” got on the ballot in only 32 states, less than Barr for the Libertarians (45 states) or Baldwin and the Constitutionalists (37 states). Nader did better on his own with his own activist following than did the Greens. In fact he got on the ballot in more states than he did in 2000 when he was the GPUS nominee. If one looks at fundraising the contrast is just as stark, with Nader raising $4,496,180 and McKinney a skimpy $240,130 which is not even sufficient for a decent Congressional campaign. And the popular vote among third party candidates was: 736,804 for Nader, 524,524 for Barr, 196,461 for Baldwin and 161,195 for McKinney. These numbers alone are testimony to the abject failure of the GPUS as an electoral force.

The GPUS Demeans Cynthia McKinney.

But the behavior of the GPUS toward McKinney was downright insulting. The insult to McKinney came in two ways. First of all, DemoGreens went over to Obama, giving Cynthia a pat on the head as they went. A good example is Green guru Ted Glick who proclaimed that, although he “supported” McKinney, he hoped Obama would win and was contributing to the Obama campaign, said dollar contribution being a first for him. What kind of party i turns on its own candidate? But the insult came in another way. Cynthia McKinney took many extraordinarily courageous positions in Congress over the years. She was an outstanding leader there on issues of peace and justice. But this record was always secondary in the campaign that the GPUS ran. She was first and foremost a black woman candidate running with another minority female candidate. Now that in itself is a very good thing, although Obama upstaged them with this kind of Identity Politics. But what about McKinney’s other achievements? Most notably she is the first major Democratic politician and the first Congressperson to jump ship on the Democrat Party. Of course the DemoGreens wanted no such cutting edge claim to a GPUS campaign. So the GPUS was happy to see the color of McKinney’s skin as more important than the content of her character! This is the road down which “gonadal politics” leads us. (It is also hard to comprehend why Ralph Nader, gets no credit from the Gonadal Politicians for being an Arab American, perhaps the group suffering most discrimination these days.)

Please read the full article at:

http://www.counterpunch.org/walsh12302008.html
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 11:50 AM
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1. Well...
:nopity:
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 11:58 AM
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2. Our f*d up system kills third parties before they are born.
All it takes is one election like 2000 and everyone remembers all over again that the only real choices are 'far right' or 'center right' and if they vote 'center left' in enough numbers to matter they get 'far right'.

Until we reform our entire election system to open it up to multiple party participation and representation, that is the reality.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 12:15 PM
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3. But their President George W. Bush has been a resounding success.
C'mon, Greenies. You and Nader changed the nation forever with your actions in Florida back in the Fall of 2000.

Keep electing Republicans!

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 01:12 PM
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8. You're Right! George W. Bush and the Supremes didn't steal the 2000 election.
Edited on Wed Dec-31-08 01:21 PM by Better Believe It
Ralph Nader stole it!

Thanks for clearing that up!

I bet you also think that Joseph Leiberman was a huge lift to Al Gore's campaign in 2000.

What nonsense have you been reading anyway?
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 01:58 PM
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16. Three factors.
Edited on Wed Dec-31-08 02:07 PM by onehandle
The Nader/Green campaign cost Gore thousands of votes.

Crooked Republicans stopping the count.

SCOTUS.


Take the first one away and this would have never gone to the Supreme Court.

Gore would have won.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 04:59 PM
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21. Gore could have won had he run an effective campaign ....
and not picked a Republican,Leiberman, as his vice-presidential running mate.

It's not Nader's fault that millions of Democrats voted for Bush.

And what makes you think that Gore was somehow entitled to receive the votes that Nader got????

Was Gore also entitled to the socialist votes, the Libertarian votes and radical votes?

You have to win votes and Gore simply failed to win over tens of millions of people who voted for other candidates.

You could also make the point which is just as silly as the notion that Nader "stole" votes from Gore, that Gore would have "won" the election outright if the Republican Party had not run a candidate for President.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 01:12 PM
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9. The Greenies really kept Gore from winning his Home State didn't they?
If you truly believe what you say I feel sorry for you...You live in a delusional world..
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 01:31 PM
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12. Ya!!!! And they stole Gore's wallet and gave the money to George W. Bush!

And the Green's designed the Florida "butterfly" ballot, and stole votes and did all kinds of horrible nasty things to dogs and other four legged creatures!

And you want to know who caused this economic crisis?

Nader did!

Global warming?

Nader again!

Racism?

Nader's a bigot and especially hates Arabs!

9/11?

Nader again .... he's a Lebanese Arab terrorist!

The Iraq invasion?

Blame Nader again! If he had been a Senator he would have voted with Hillary in support of the invasion.

The high cost of gas?

Nader!

The low cost of gas.

Nader!

To much gas.

Nader!

Not enough gas.

Nader, Nader and Nader!

Evildoers

Nader's responsible.

Katrina.

Nader did it!

All that's wrong with the world.

Guess who? Nader again!



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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 02:02 PM
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17. Yeah. I went on and on and on about Tennessee in my post.
Wait... No I didn't.

Good thing Kerry and Obama won Tennessee in 2004 and 2008 to prove your "point."

Wait... No they didn't.


2000 was all about Florida. Nader and the Greens cost Gore thousands of votes.

Period.


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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 01:23 PM
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11. That is so fucking pathetic.
Way more Democrats voted for Bush in 2000 than for Nader.

Whining Democrats, sheesh!
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 01:43 PM
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14. 250,000 Florida Democrats Voted For Bush In 2000. Damn you Nader!
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 02:05 PM
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18. Nader spent weeks there in late 2000 just to derail Gore.
Nearly 100k suckers supported the work of crooked Florida Republicans and a crooked SCOTUS.

Mission accomplished.

Bush and Gore are exactly the same. Bush and Gore are exactly the same. Bush and Gore are exactly the same.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 02:33 PM
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19. Almost three times as many Dems voted for Bush than for Nader.
Turn your wrath inward.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 02:56 PM
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20. Fine. I blame them both. Nader voters and Bush voting Dems.
But mostly, I blame Nader.

He is an egotistical tool who actively worked to give us Bush.

Inward? I voted for Gore in another state.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 12:16 PM
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4. Party affiliation is for suckers
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independentpiney Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 12:36 PM
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6. couldn't have said it better n/t
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 12:35 PM
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5. They have fund rising problems
Edited on Wed Dec-31-08 12:35 PM by NWHarkness
because the Republicans don't have the spare cash to keep funded them any more.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 12:37 PM
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7. We need instant runoff voting or some other mechanism to give third parties a chance.
I think if the president was determined by popular vote rather than the electoral college, third and fourth parties might have a ghost of a chance.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 01:19 PM
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10. After the 2000 election, I say "good riddance".
Edited on Wed Dec-31-08 01:19 PM by cobalt1999
Nominating bat-shit crazy McKinney was just a self inflicted gunshot to the head.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 01:40 PM
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13. Nader is a windbag and McKinney is a wannabe
I cannot believe she wound up as the presidential candidate. Her abysmal numbers say as much about her as they do about the GPUS. What the greens need to do is skip the next presidential election (unless they can find a truly exceptional candidate) and focus harder on municipal, state and congressional elections where they could build up some sort of meaningful track record. Additionally they need to come up with credible economic and social policies that present viable alternatves as opposed to looking like pie in the sky idealism.

Being European, I'm a strong supporter of the idea of a green party, and I was pretty active in Matt Gonzalez' run for mayor of San Francisco - which almost succeeded because Gonzalez was already a supervisor and had concrete goals like balancing the city budget and promoting job creation. Nader and McKinney are anti-candidates: they can tell you a long list of things they're against (most of them ending in '-ism') but apart from 'a better environment' they're very bad at saying what they're for. It's easy to be against Bad Things and promise nothing but good when you know you're never going to have to deliver on those campaign commitments.

to get anywhere, the Green party has to do two things: focus on getting seats in legislatures rather than quixotic big-ticket races, and accept that once a green crack has opened up in a legislature (whether local, state or Congress) the key to successfully using that legislative power is to accept the role of power broker, and trade support on some narrow political issues for big-party support on their own legislation - legislation which combines environmental with social benefit. If there's an opportunity for environmental gain (eg of a species or land resource or whatever), then it has to be coupled with some kind of discernable economic gain like jobs in conservatorship or carbon credits or whatever. Otherwise the Green party will continue to be perceived as the party of 'you can't do that because it's bad for the environment', just as the libertarians are perceived as 'i hate rules leave me alone' party.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 01:47 PM
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15. the corporate capitalist system owns both parties
and has enough power to destroy any actual opposition
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 05:09 PM
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22. Without a parliamentary system, small parties are doomed from the get-go
Edited on Wed Dec-31-08 05:09 PM by SoCalDem
In a winner-take-all system like we have, they have no chance at winning, and can only play spoiler .

In a perfect world, every party would get proportional representation, and have a chance to have their ideas heard..and be able to form coalitions with other small parties to really force the majority parties to bargain in good faith..but we don;t have that system, and we never will..

Look at the numbers.. we are almost 300million, and yer we still have only 435 reps and 100 senators...same as we had when we were much smaller... we have states like Wyoming with three legislators and less than a million people in the whole state

SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) May-02-05 01:10 PM

9. Wyoming has 1 rep per 168,843 people...CA 1 per 652,614 people

WY... 2 senators & 1 congress

CA 2 senators & 53 congress


if you count Cheney (since he claims to be from WY), it drops to 1 for every 126,632 people
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 05:11 PM
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23. Exactly right. And given that fact, one has to wonder at their purpose.
I've been wondering ever since Nader's 2000 run.
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vinylsolution Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 05:38 PM
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24. I, for one, hope The Greens....
.... keep building and building. We need a lot more loud Progressive voices to keep the Dems honest when they're in power.

I suspect The Greens' 2008 election effort was quietly sabotaged by interests loyal to the two corporate parties. Obviously, the last thing corporate America wants is a strong and popular Green Party. The corporate media also helped by pretending that The Green Party didn't even exist.

So I say:

More parties.

More voices.

More choices.

More democracy!

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