I will vote for any Democrat in '08 so quit saying you won't

[JCMach1]

We have no choice. We can't even begin to change things at this point without a Dem in office. For once, we need some damn unity people. In 2008, I am yellowdog all the way.



Way too much trashing around here lately and we aren't anywhere close to the primaries yet...

[Little Wing]

1. Ayup

[Bullwinkle925]

2. Same here.

[Taverner]

3. Me too - but I think we won't be holding our noses so much this time

Even if Hilary wins - she will be anti-Iraq by that time. Everyone will.

Besides Hilary is a poltician in the true sense; she reads polls. Say what you will about a poll-driven presidency, we are getting the opposite right now and I don't like it.

Personally I'm hoping for Mister Obama to lead us to victory

[JCMach1]

7. Exactly,there will be hardly a dime's worth of difference

once positions are written down. Everything else is largely stylistics...

[Taverner]

13. Here's my plan: 1 - Donate to Kucinich

2 - Vote for Obama in the primary

3 - Volunteer for and vote for whomever is the 08 Dem

[Jackpine Radical]

18. Your plan is like what Mark Twain said about Wagner's music:

"You know, that stuff is better than it sounds."

Donate to Dennis, so he can stir things up &force the debate leftward.
Vote for Obama because you like rock stars (or whatever; OK--Obama's who you really want).
And then the obvious 'cuz we need a Dem in the WH.

[ourbluenation]

4. here freaking here! Now is NOT the time for third party options. n/t

[Critters2]

5. I will in the General, but we've got to get through the primaries first

and there are definitely people I will oppose--like, say, ANYONE who voted for the IWR.

[emulatorloo]

20. just a note -- nobody wasted time blaming McGovern or McCarthy

for thier Gulf of Tonkin Resolution vote once they were solidily anti-war.

Sorry I am not able to write today -- trying again:

Nobody wasted their time saying "BUT HE VOTED FOR THE WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" once Gene McCarthy/George McGovern saw the light and became anti-war.

OTOH our current candidates voted for IWR and haven't seen the light. . .now that would concern me.

[Critters2]

28. Few people saw Tonkin as the lie that it was

Otoh, many of us saw through the Bush lies, called and wrote our Congresscritters asking them to vote NO! I know I did. If I could see it for the bullshit it was, I expect at least as much wisdom from Congress, let alone a president.

This is my litmus test--I will NOT support in the primaries anyone gullible (or opportunist) enough to have voted for the IWR.

[emulatorloo]

32. dunno, most polling I saw at the time said majority of people believed Bush when he

said Saddam was going to kill us all.

I didn't. You didn't. But it seems like most people didn't see Bush's lies for what they were.

At anyrate -- I respect your opinion.

[Critters2]

35. I didn't write to "most people" and "most people" weren't in Congress

I expect leadership from elected officials. Instead, we got the Iraq War.

[emulatorloo]

43. Yes and I expected a President not to lie about WMD's

Cheers and best regards.

[Deep13]

6. woof

[kcass1954]

8. After 30 years of saying I'm not a single-issue voter, it turns out that I am.

My issue is this - Is there a "D" after his/her name?

I'll hold my nose if I have to - I already have, because Bill Nelson is one of my senators - but I won't vote for anyone who's not a Dem.

[LSK]

9. no, I will WORK FOR and DONATE TO any Democrat in the 08 General

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. I'll be voting for the most progressive anti-war candidate on the ballot.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

[AndyA]

11. This is absolutely the way we must look at it, I feel.

Campaign hard for your favorite candidate, and do no harm to other Dem candidates while doing so. And then get behind WHOEVER is chosen. We have to look at the big picture going into 2008, and not voting for or supporting the Dem candidate because you don't like him/her just allows the GOP to slide another idiot in the White House for another 4 years.

We must be unified by the time the 2008 elections roll around. If we aren't we're asking for more trouble and we'll deserve what we get.

[geardaddy]

12. I agree....

I'll vote for any of the candidates if they become the nominee.

[mnhtnbb]

14. Already held my nose in 04 to vote Kerry. Fat lot of good it did.

I worked my tail off to support Dean in the primaries. I just hope I don't have to hold my nose to vote for another Dem who'll have a campaign run by incompetent staff and will concede in another 'close', but really stolen, election without a fight.

[skipos]

15. WHat about voting for Dems we weren't crazy about in 06. Has that done any good?

Yes it has.

[emulatorloo]

22. yes indeed -- BYE BYE PAT ROBERTS chairmanship:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=46491&mesg_id=46491

---
Rockefeller: Cheney applied 'constant' pressure to stall investigation on flawed Iraq intelligence
By Jonathan S. Landay
McClatchy Newspapers

<snip>

WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney exerted "constant" pressure on the Republican former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee to stall an investigation into the Bush administration's use of flawed intelligence on Iraq, the panel's Democratic chairman charged Thursday.

In an interview with McClatchy Newspapers, Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia also accused President Bush of running an illegal program by ordering eavesdropping on Americans' international e-mails and telephone communications without court-issued warrants.

In the 45-minute interview, Rockefeller said that it was "not hearsay" that Cheney, a leading proponent of invading Iraq, pushed Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., to drag out the probe of the administration's use of prewar intelligence.

"It was just constant," Rockefeller said of Cheney's alleged interference. He added that he knew that the vice president attended regular policy meetings in which he conveyed White House directions to Republican staffers.

<snip>

[Strawman]

24. Yep that's why I did it

One name sums it up for me: Debbie Stabenow. If enough people didn't hold their noses like me, she might have lost. She ended up winning pretty big, but for awhile it almost seemed in play.

But next time around I won't tell people that they ought to violate their own principles and make compromises even though I personally consider those compromises to be sound and pragmatic. I did that last cycle and it was wrong. I can only make those kind of bargains myself and explain why. I won't tell anyone else they ought to. One's principles are one's own property. One has the right to trade them freely for what he or she thinks is a reasonable best case scenario or to not do so.

That being said, I think I'll feel comfortable pulling the lever for any of the Democratic candidates in this field currently. I have issue based preferences but I think there are other considerations. I hate to use economic metaphors, but I want to invest my vote and my time and energy in the candidate who is going to give me the best return. They need to be able to make attractive promises and be good enough players of the Washington game to have a reasonable fighting chance at keeping them.

[Bjornsdotter]

17. Omg

...you took the words right out of my mouth.

That is exactly the same thing I did....worked for Dean, had an incredibly hard time voting for Kerry (only Edwards made it possible for me to look in the mirror that day)and when Kerry went down without a fight I thought my brain would explode.

Cheers :toast:

[Critters2]

29. Another Deaniac here. I was so angry at the DNC and DLC I nearly voted Green

I didn't, but I came close.

[Bjornsdotter]

34. I know

....I stood in that booth a long time before I cast my vote.

Cheers :toast:

[politicasista]

27. And that ABB attitude gave us 4 more years of Bush n/t

[Jackpine Radical]

16. Well, of course. It's a whold different game after a nominee

is selected. Until that time, though, I'll kick, gouge & bite ears to get my choice up in front.

Kick, gouge & bite, hell yes. No guns or knives, though. If my candidate loses, I want the other one still able to stand.

[DefenseLawyer]

19. Just because we will support

the eventual nominee, doesn't mean we have to allow the Republicans and the corporate media to tell us who the nominee is a year before the first ballot is cast.

[Unperson]

21. Even though I may bitch about it. I will too.

I don't really like Hillary. But I would be proud to vote for the first woman presidential nominee.

[Breeze54]

23. The primaries will be the start of any of this.

Trashing? I think it's called discussion.

Each to their own, I guess.

[Yavin4]

25. For Anyone Who Won't, I Have Three Words For You

President Rudolph Guiliani.

Now, you aint seen fascism yet. He will make Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Ashcroft-Gonzalez look like '60s free-love and peace hippies.

[bdrube]

38. Two Words: Bernard Kerick

If that's an example of the incompotents Guiliani would
appoint, I doubt he'll be an effective fascist.

[Old and In the Way]

26. I'm with you 100%

Since Kerry's out, I'll be shopping around....like Edwards and Clarke, but will see how the primaries stack up. Good advice. There really is no other game in town.

[liberalnurse]

30. What is so fantastic is.....

that the Democratic field of candidates are ALL Superb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :kick:

[davidwparker]

31. that's the point. it's the primaries. after that, everybody gets behind

the winner.

[Rowdyboy]

33. Man, I've been (mostly) holding my nose and voting Democratic since 1972

Bill Clinton and Al Gore are the only two nominees I've supported from scratch in the last 35 years. Why should 2008 be any different?

[Egalitarian]

36. I'm the boss of me, I'm the boss of me, you might be the boss

of you, but I'm the boss of me...(song heard on our local NPR children's show).

Seriously, I find your tone insulting. I offer the thought that not selling out for a candidate that you feel is the lesser of two evils might be best. Best for whom is the question.

I'd rather see our country go down the tubes with another republican in the whitehouse, than vote for less than radical change. Unless we tap into the 40-50% of voters who do not go to the polls, then we deserve to lose IMO. Further, the net long term result for the greater earth would likely be better; for the longer we take to become humble, the longer we disseminate our problems for our fellow humans to solve. Put me on the cross and flame away if you need to...

[bdrube]

37. I Won't Vote for Hillary -- Under Any Circumstances

If she gets the nomination, I'll go 3rd party.  And I'll bet I
won't be the only one.

[Dean Martin]

39. I won't either

[LSK]

40. you'd rather have President McCain??

:wtf:

[bdrube]

41. Not especially, but we HAVE to end this dual monarchy.

If W is constantly trying outdo Dad, I can't imagine how much
damage Hillary will do trying to  out do Bill.  Maybe
cunnilingus in the oval office?

[onehandle]

42. YDD!

[JNelson6563]

44. Me too!

I'll vote for whoever it is. The only question for me is will I work my ass off for the nominee or not? My blood sweat and tears won't go to just any Dem but my vote will.

Julie