AP is reporting that Israeli ground troops are entering Gaza

[Joanne98]

That's coming from Fox. CNN is reporting lifestyle shows. I guess they're just going to ignore it.

[ogneopasno]

1. Except for the other thread that says CNN breaking: Ground offensive begins.

[Joanne98]

3. Sorry. They were the last time I went there.

[Dennis Donovan]

7. It broke @ 1:36pm ET...

I posted it as it broke on CNN.;):hi: I don't know how you can watch Faux for anything - I've never watched it for over a minute and I blocked it form my cable box.

[cal04]

2. Reuters: Small Israeli ground force enters Gaza - witness

A small column of Israeli military vehicles, backed by combat helicopters, rolled into the northern Gaza Strip on Saturday, a Palestinian witness said.

The witness, a resident of the northern Gaza town of Beit Lahiya, said the column crossed the boundary fence under darkness. The witness could not immediately say how deep the Israelis penetrated into Palestinian territory.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L3471462.htm

[nashville_brook]

4. jesus effin christ.

[Deep13]

5. Finally.

The purpose of arial attacks is similar to the traditional purpose of artillary: to soften up the enemies defenses in preparation of a ground assault. Soldiers on the ground can route out the terrorists with a lot fewer collateral damage than aircraft can.

[lapfog_1]

6. Yup, all you have to do is look at the success the American ground

forces have had in Iraq in regards to "collateral" damage!

Hardly a civilian killed...

:sarcasm:

[Fozzledick]

8. Different situation, different objectives

but you already knew that

[lapfog_1]

9. Uh, no, I didn't know that.

What were the objectives in Iraq, again? You know, the officially stated objectives?

WMDs? Remove Saddam? Free elections?

What are Israels objectives in Gaza?

Rockets? Remove Hamas? Free elections (oh wait, that's how they GOT Hamas... ok, maybe FIXED elections, yeah, that's the ticket!)

BTW, the real objective in Iraq was oil, the real objective in Gaza is ISRAELI elections.

[Windy]

10. same neocons different country... sad. n/t

[Fozzledick]

11. Conquest vs. peace

and you seem to understand the differences well enough to spin around them

[lapfog_1]

19. Conquest v. peace

which invasion is which objective, in your mind?

I know it's always the first thought that comes to my mind... kill for peace.

And the real reason for this invasion... and the real reason for the US invasion of Iraq, are not "spin".

[Deep13]

24. I didn't say it always works.

And I did not say there would be no unintended casualties. I can't really call collateral damage here "civilian casualties" because civilians are the ones shooting the rockets.

[Kalyke]

16. Finally? You wanted this to happen?

If you really think Israel is going to stop with alleged "terrorists," you're out of your freakin' gourd. To them, nearly all Palestinians are terrorists.


My case in point: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4758666



Oh - and it's root, not route.

[Deep13]

26. I don't think the evidence really supports your assumption.

I realize that what I can only call ivory tower liberalism will not allow some of us to believe that the weaker party to a conflict can be at fault, but they can be. (I tend to be more end-result oriented in my liberalism rather than ideologically oriented to answer the anticipated ad hominem response.) Besides, terrorists are generally well-educated, middle-class religious fanatics and not the very poor.

And yes, I realize war is horrible. Unfortunately, being attacked over and over again does not leave one with any reasonable choice in the matter.

Anyway, the alternative is to continue bombing until terrorists stop shooting rockets. Since they are shooting them during air raids, it is pretty clear that is never going to happen.

I guess you are right about the spelling. I'm afraid I have a pretty loose grasp on spelling sometimes. Whoop-dee-shit.

[gulliver]

12. Bush blames Hamas, quickly followed by Israeli ground troops.

That looks really good to Muslims I'm sure. Bush is such a man of action. Another brilliant foreign policy debacle by the man who brought us Iraq and the roadmap to peace. Seventeen more days if the world can survive it.

[Fozzledick]

13. Bush is incompetent, ineffective and irrelevant

That's why Iran instigated this to begin with.

[TahitiNut]

15. "Iran instigated this"???

Iran (virtually all Shi'a) has very little influence over Gaza Palestinians who're Sunni.

[Duckhunter935]

17. Of course they are not sending arms

[Fozzledick]

18. Oh please, Iran is Hamas' primary patron

and the main source of their money and arms.

Hamas and Hezbollah attack when Iranian intelligence tells them to attack, and I believe they've given those orders largely because they perceive George Bush to be weak, inattentive, and distracted by his maniacal obsession with conquering Iraq.

[Statistical]

21. Iran could cripple Hamas more than the IDF ever could simply by cutting off the supply of $$$ (n/t)

[sixmile]

23. Where do you get your information?

Your posts make you seem like an expert on Middle East affairs. Are you?

[spanone]

14. they know that obama will have a 'reasoned response' to the situation...strike while bu$h* is in

[chucktaylor]

22. What will a "reasoned response" be? I haven't heard a peep out of Obama

except what he said on the campaign trail.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. Of course, it has nothing to do with Labor's numbers going up in the polls.

Nah. It's to "protect" lives and the border. Just like it did in Lebanon. And, it does in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Sure. Positively.

:sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[Karenina]

25. This will not end well...

:cry:

[Mari333]

27. the freepers love it. they think gods army is on the way.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2158146/posts