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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 04:59 PM
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Is it me or are there starting to be more and more Democrats brought down by now legal wiretaps.
Blago, Seigleman, and Spitzer were all "caught" via wiretaps. Have wiretaps been use to "catch" any republicans?
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 05:08 PM
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1. Siegelman was not "caught" via a wiretap or by any other means
from what I've been reading. Where did you get that idea - that he was guilty of whatever crime or crimes they accused him of, and had been found out?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 05:38 PM
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7. Where did I get the idea he was caught, tried, convicted and imprisoned?
I think it was on the news. I agree he was railroaded. I was using him as another example where the republican partisan JD is using wiretaps for political gain. I was hoping that putting "caught" in quotes would preclude this misunderstanding.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 11:25 AM
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12. I was under the impressin that it was a flagrantly malisious miscarriage of justice,
and that the prosecution itself was now being investigated. Am I mistaken?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 11:30 AM
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13. I agree with you. I was only using Siegleman as an example of possible misuse of wiretapping
authority. IMHO the republicans are using illegal wiretaps to target and prosecute Democrats.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 02:49 PM
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16. Wow. That's some difference in post.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 05:14 PM
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2. I believe Segilman was railroaded, it was a purely political prosecution
supported by Karl Rove. I believe that was a total miscarriage of justice as apparently approximately 54 Attorney Generals do as well, both Democratic and Republican.

The only tapping, I'm aware of getting a Republican in trouble was foot tapping.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 05:54 PM
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8. I like your last sentence. nm
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 05:15 PM
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3. The wiretap question is an interesting one indeed
One must wonder who they were listening to, who was considered a 'terrorist'.

I hadn't heard anything about wiretaps being involved in the Seigelman issue either.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 05:23 PM
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4. They nailed a couple here in Boston, too. Taking bribes, basically. And a pervert.
They got one politician on film stuffing bills into her brassiere and laughing her ass off. The other guy, it is said, was "selling" liquor licenses. They have pics of him too.

Yet another lawmaker was running around his home city serially groping women. No wiretaps there, though, or undercover operatives--he just got caught. His lawyer said he's off his meds, that's why he did it...!

No, I'm not making this up. I really wish I were.

Cites:

http://wbztv.com/local/dianne.wilkerson.diane.2.850284.html (includes a link to the evidence photos)
http://wbztv.com/local/chuck.turner.arrested.2.870144.html (link to video story on page)
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view/2008_06_04_Marzilli_Police_reports_ (The perverted State Senator)

I really think our party needs to reemphasize ethics in government. Otherwise, the hubris will overtake and we'll be just like them.

Can't have that....
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 05:24 PM
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5. Have any Democrats been caught soliciting sex in men's bathrooms?
There must be an anti-Republican men's bathroom conspiracy.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 05:29 PM
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6. Probably and accident. The policeman didn't know that the perpetrator was a republican. nm
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 06:02 PM
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9. Have wiretaps been use to "catch" any republicans?
I've noticed that there are NO repukes "caught" in any "legal" fishing scheme that this misadministration's DOJ has conducted...
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 12:31 AM
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10. Stevens was caught.
In the same way: They got a warrant--as was the case with Spitzer and Blagojevich.

Don't know if it was DOJ or not.

In Stevens' case the warrant wasn't for Stevens but for some contractor. They monitored the contractor's calls, and among those who called him and who he called was Stevens; therefore, they got Stevens on tape.

The presupposition in the OP is that there's rampant domestic wiretapping; there may have been some, but many confuse wiretapping with a pen register, and entirely domestic (defined as beginning and ending inside the US) with foreign (either beginning and ending outside the US, or originating outside the US).
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 10:32 AM
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11. I believe that this corrupt administration uses wiretapping in the US to gather information
and to prosecute their opponents. They have the tool and I fully believe they use it. The OP doesn't assume "rampant" wiretapping. The OP assumes political targeted wiretapping.
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 07:11 PM
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20. I think you've hit the nail squarely on the head

this is what FISA is all about. The Bush Crime Family bringing down Democrats. How many "terrorists" have you heard about, except for the phony few? The House and Senate handed it all to Numbnuts wrapped with a big red bow.....
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 07:20 PM
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21. Looks like it's ethical decision time for Obama and the Democrats.
Shall they turn the illegal but accepted wiretapping to their advantage or change the law. Before you make your decision, consider that if the law is reversed to what it used to be, that won't even slow down the republicans from undoing it next time they are in power.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 11:33 AM
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14. Interesting question...
something an investigative journalist might enjoy digging into...
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 01:28 PM
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15. Sorry, I don't understand. An "investigative journalist"??? I thought they were extinct. nm
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 06:09 PM
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18. Nearly are, yeah...
there are still a few.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 06:34 PM
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19. Mostly in the blog world. nm
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 02:53 PM
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17. If so Bush has done us a favor by weeding out a few corrupt 'Democrats' for us.
Edited on Sun Jan-04-09 02:54 PM by w4rma
But, soon it will be time to turn the tables.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 07:21 PM
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22. remember, bu$h*/cheney can wiretap anyone, at anytime, for any reason...they are political animals
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