Over at Jim Robinson's FreeRepublic....(Global Warming boogeyman)

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...they are proferring that global warming is occuring because the warming of the Martian surface is related to an increase in solar radiation. Of course this comes from the laughable organization the Heartland Institute, a "think tank" funded by Big Cancer, which takes their ideology from Milton Friedman.

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Mars Is Warming, NASA Scientists Report
Heartland Institute ^ | November 1, 2005 | James M. Taylor


Posted on 01/26/2007 11:22:49 AM PST by Moseley


Mars Is Warming, NASA Scientists Report

Data coincide with increasing solar output Written By: James M. Taylor Published In: Environment News Publication Date: November 1, 2005 Publisher: The Heartland Institute

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The planet Mars is undergoing significant global warming, new data from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) show, lending support to many climatologists' claims that the Earth's modest warming during the past century is due primarily to a recent upsurge in solar energy.

Martian Ice Shrinking Dramatically

According to a September 20 NASA news release, "for three Mars summers in a row, deposits of frozen carbon dioxide near Mars' south pole have shrunk from the previous year's size, suggesting a climate change in progress." Because a Martian year is approximately twice as long as an Earth year, the shrinking of the Martian polar ice cap has been ongoing for at least six Earth years.

The shrinking is substantial. According to Michael Malin, principal investigator for the Mars Orbiter Camera, the polar ice cap is shrinking at "a prodigious rate."

"The images, documenting changes from 1999 to 2005, suggest the climate on Mars is presently warmer, and perhaps getting warmer still, than it was several decades or centuries ago," reported Yahoo News on September 20.

Solar Link Possible

Scientists are not sure whether the Martian warming is entirely due to Mars-specific forces or may be the result of other forces, such as increasing solar output, which would explain much of the recent asserted warming of the Earth as well.

Sallie Baliunas, chair of the Science Advisory Board at the George C. Marshall Institute, said, "Pluto, like Mars, is also undergoing warming." However, Baliunas speculated it is "likely not the sun but long-term processes on Mars and Pluto" causing the warming. However, until more information is gathered, Baliunas said, it is difficult to know for sure.

Pat Michaels, past president of the American Association of State Climatologists and senior fellow at the Cato Institute, similarly expressed a desire for more information about the Martian climate. "What is the internal dynamic that is warming Mars?" asked Michaels. "Given the fact that there are not a lot of anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions on Mars, and given the fact that new research indicates that 10 to 30 percent estimated conservatively of Earth's recent warming is due to increased solar output, the Martian warming may support that new research."

Models May Be Wrong

The new research mentioned by Michaels is the October 2 release of findings by Duke University scientists that "at least 10 to 30 percent of global warming measured during the past two decades may be due to increased solar output rather than factors such as increased heat-absorbing carbon dioxin gas released by various human activities."

"The problem is that Earth's atmosphere is not in thermodynamic equilibrium with the sun," Duke associate research scientist Nicola Scafetta explained in a Duke University news release. Moreover, "the longer the time period the stronger the effect will be on the atmosphere, because it takes time to adapt."

Examining a 22-year interval of reliable solar data going back to 1980, the Duke scientists were able to filter out shorter-range effects that can influence surface temperatures but are not related to global warming. Such effects include volcanic eruptions and ocean current changes such as El Niño.

Applying their long-term data, the Duke scientists concluded, "the sun may have minimally contributed about 10 to 30 percent of the 1980-2002 global surface warming."

" gases would still give a contribution, but not so strong as was thought," Scafetta observed.

Several Forces Affect Temperature

"We don't know what the sun will do in the future," Scafetta added. "For now, if our analysis is correct, I think it is important to correct the climate models so that they include reliable sensitivity to solar activity."

Iain Murray, senior fellow and global warming specialist at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said the Mars warming adds another level of uncertainty to claims that the Earth's modest recent warming is a result of human activity. "It is probably too much to claim that any one source is the principal driver of the warming trend on Earth," said Murray.

"The number of significant temperature forcings on the climate system grows yearly as we get to know more and more about it, but we really are at a very early stage of our exploration of this very complex system," Murray noted. "If all the estimates are true about the relative effects of forcings like the sun, black carbon, and greenhouse gases, then it is quite possible that we would have been in a sharply cooling phase over recent years were it not for these forcings. In which case, one might say, thank goodness for global warming!"

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James M. Taylor ([e-mail]) is managing editor of Environment & Climate News.



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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: CARBONDIOXIDE; GLOBALWARMING; GREENHOUSEEFFECT; GREENHOUSEGASES
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Coincidence? I don't think so!

1 posted on 01/26/2007 11:22:51 AM PST by Moseley
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To: Moseley
All right, I knew we shouldn't have put that Rover SUV thing on that planet. We're killing another one!



2 posted on 01/26/2007 11:23:59 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: Moseley
I'm telling ya, its those two SUV's we sent up there



3 posted on 01/26/2007 11:24:08 AM PST by sure_fine ( • not one to over kill the thought process™ •)
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To: Moseley
Bush's Fault.



4 posted on 01/26/2007 11:24:41 AM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: Moseley
I'll believe it when it is reported on CNN. /S



5 posted on 01/26/2007 11:24:58 AM PST by rocksblues (Do unto others as they do unto you!)
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To: Moseley
Oh gee then whats causing the warming trend......hmmmm.... What is The Sun for $200. Moron Science and Dimwitted Scientists for $300 Alex!



6 posted on 01/26/2007 11:25:10 AM PST by Bommer (If people evolved from apes, why are there still apes?)
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To: Moseley
Those martians need to change hair spray propellants.



7 posted on 01/26/2007 11:25:12 AM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: Moseley
This would never of happened if John Kerry was elected President in 2004.



8 posted on 01/26/2007 11:25:14 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: pollyannaish
beat me by 9 seconds



9 posted on 01/26/2007 11:25:16 AM PST by sure_fine ( • not one to over kill the thought process™ •)
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To: sure_fine
If this is supposed to be a serious science thread we're going to get kicked off for disruption.



10 posted on 01/26/2007 11:25:19 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: Moseley
Al Gore was unavailable for comment.



11 posted on 01/26/2007 11:25:33 AM PST by AbeKrieger (There is no time like the present. Thank God for that.)
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To: Moseley
Here's why it's getting hotter:



12 posted on 01/26/2007 11:25:50 AM PST by andy58-in-nh
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To: Moseley
Obviously those wascally Martians drive SUV's!



13 posted on 01/26/2007 11:25:56 AM PST by rightandproud
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To: fireforeffect
Bush's Fault. I was just going to say ... they can't pin this one on Bush. :-)

14 posted on 01/26/2007 11:26:04 AM PST by JellyJam (Best headline ever: "The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists Are Muslims!")
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To: sure_fine
It was tee'd up nicely. Very predictable. Straight down the middle of the fairway and inches from the green. :-)



15 posted on 01/26/2007 11:26:27 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: eeevil conservative
Hey E, maybe ask Don the Gorebot about this story too.



16 posted on 01/26/2007 11:27:28 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: Moseley



17 posted on 01/26/2007 11:28:02 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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[onehandle]

1. Jim Robinson? Oh...You mean RimJob. nt

[cap]

2. not too worried about them...

once it is public that practically all CEO's of Fortune 500 companies want something done about global warming, they will fall in line and bow to the gods of business.

[ClintonTyree]

3. Yuck, what a crappy, archaic format they have over there...

have they EVER upgraded that POS? RimJob must need all those freepdollars for a another new motor-home - that and keeping his entire family on the payroll so they don't have to get real jobs.
You'd think at least ONE of the freepers might notice they're paying for decade old technology. I guess when you're that far down everything looks like up to you. :shrug:

[Rex]

4. The Martians did it!!!!!

:eyes:

See, this is how it is; the RW doesn't mind the notion of global warming - they just won't blame the industrial revolution for it. ANYTHING but that. It would mean taking responsibility for our own actions and we all know how RWingers cannot do that! It's not in their DNA.

[Zynx]

5. Mars doesn't have an atmosphere.

Any real scientists would understand that it's not comporable to Earth anymore than the moon is.