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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-03-09 11:59 PM Original message |
Political caving-in and other stuff since 2000 that has angered me the most. . |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
1. "To me, an 'electable' candidate was code word for..." |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I very much agree with the blogger. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. lol wut n/t |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
4. "Post Partisanship" is simply acknowledging what has been in effect for years. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. Agree it has been that way for years. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
5. With no good hits of delicious Outrage being passed around the blogosphere, |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
42. It's all good OB.....it's all back now to how it was, like it used to be. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
64. Man, what is your trip? You are one of the most un-progressive |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #64 |
78. I wasn't aware that diffuse, indiscriminate bitching was "progressive." |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. you do not seem to be aware of much, period. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I'm aware that the stars at night are pretty, |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. No, you're a whiny git |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. See: the OP; half the posts in GD. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
6. We should be trying to destroy the GOP, not appease it. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:32 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. And so, DU's transformation to FR circa 2002 is complete. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. There is no moral high ground in politics, just results. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. And who can argue with the results of the GOP's hardball strategy? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. The nation is certainly more conservative than it was 8 years ago. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I'll agree they managed to stack some courts before they went down in flames. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. they didn't go down in flames |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. And now, they are consolidating their gains, ... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
39. And none of the changes since '04 are the result of the party moving RIGHT |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 02:28 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I think the difference, though, is that Democrats are smart enough not to go through with it. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 02:35 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I believe I am changing nothing at all. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Guess it's time to take up something else. n/t |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. It is still my goal to speak out, even if it matters little. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. it matters greatly |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. It matters, MF. Even if it only matters to YOU. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. false premise |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Thanks for the excellent post. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
37. You make it sound like only people OUTSIDE DLC Dem districts disliked the conservatism. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
41. Why do you hate the Democrats who actually disagree with Republicans? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Lame. n/t |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. You're admitting that I'm right. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #45 |
66. lol wut n/t |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 01:31 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. And again, by responding with nothing but derision, you're admitting I'm right. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 02:17 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. No I'm not. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #13 |
49. often they are not selected by primaries |
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KakistocracyHater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 01:03 AM Response to Reply #13 |
67. no, they just had MONEY |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
36. It's solely the fault of the "softball strategy" that people like you wanted |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
84. So which of your rights should we bargain away? |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
89. Of course |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
11. If you like looking back, then may I recommend ... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Thanks for the link. |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
18. Thoughtful post, MF, as always... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I think that unfortunately... |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. They no longer represent "the people"... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. bullying |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Yes I notice the bullying here... |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
20. That's why though it was hopeless, I still voted for Kucinich. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
22. What's the old saying, those that stand for nothing will fall for anything? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. We should start hitting the vodka? |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. You're goddamn right! |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. er...you're welcome? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #38 |
65. I was thinking more along the lines of, "hope fro the best, expect the worst", but |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
25. I will continue to speak out. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
30. The party must change or the country won't change. Democrats should at least |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Nail on the head about enthusiasm. |
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ProgressIn2008 (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #30 |
61. "I don't want to scream into a vacuum anymore." Well put, very well put. nt |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Thanks. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
35. K&R |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. I sure hope you are right.... |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
46. point 1 is wrong from the start |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Now the Blue Dogs, New Dems, and the others can fight for supremacy. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. other groups like PDA and DFA |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. We were actively donating through DFA....until... |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. lockstep? Am I looking at the wrong vote? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. I am not wrong on that. I know who we donated to through DFA |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 03:53 AM Response to Reply #57 |
73. you donated to some people on the wrong side |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #73 |
85. I can tell when my hard-earned retirement money is going for useless causes. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. right |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 03:35 AM Response to Reply #58 |
70. do not conflate SD and Minnesota |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. not every district |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
48. Noam Chomsky calls it - Brand Obama & states it is only through huge pressure from the people |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
53. you seem to be wrong about the bankruptcy bill too |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Read this. Blue Dogs, New Dems BEGGED Hastert to bring it to a vote. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 03:45 AM Response to Reply #56 |
72. that letter is not from all Democrats only from Blue Dogs |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
55. You go, Florida, and give'em hell. Do not let the conservatives on DU |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. hear hear |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #60 |
76. Two Americas.... keep on trucking and don't stop |
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ProgressIn2008 (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
59. Raising a glass to you, madfloridian. You're not alone. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-04-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. We accept everything so easily now. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 03:45 AM Response to Original message |
71. I don't believe it is any of this things listed that is what is wrong, |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 03:54 AM Response to Original message |
74. 'I think it is our job to be activists when our party doesn't do its job.' |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
75. So, what would be the point of dragging the "telecom executives" through the courts? |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #75 |
87. I thought the point was getting the goods on Bush |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. That's a thinker |
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20score (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
77. Damn! Too late to rec. But I'm rec-ing this in spirit. |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
79. single strongest political tool in US is RW talk radio |
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20score (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
88. And as usual, when leadership does the wrong thing, the populace divides. I wrote a post about that |
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