Are There Any Jewish DUers "Out There" that think Israel's Invasion Is Wrong?

[remember2000forever]

Just asking. We need your opinions also as part of our group. The consensus here at DU is that this "War Skirmish" is dangerous and needs to be halted for the good of all.

[mucifer]

1. Yes. I'm one.

[TahitiNut]

3. In the spirit of Shalom ..

:hug: :fistbump:

[Captain Hilts]

2. My room mate is one. And she was born there. The WP Outlook piece made her ill.

The one written by the woman who feels like a true Israeli now that her son is in a war.

[LeftishBrit]

4. Yes. I think it is wrong. I also think Hamas is wrong.

I support those working for peace between the Israelis and Palestinians.

www.allmep.org

www.onevoicemovement.org

www.bsst.org.uk

[villager]

6. Yes -- both sides are locked into destructive behaviors

I hope some way to cut this particular Gordian Knot shows itself... soon!

[JustAnotherGen]

7. Ditto you

Shalom.

BUT - I'd like to make every Palestinian and every Israeli go through an Intensive UU course so they could see how too strong of a religious standpoint will almost always interefere with common sense, science, and REASON.

[surrealAmerican]

19. I'm with you.

More than enough blame to go around on both sides here.

[NeedleCast]

20. Agreed n/t

[Kalyke]

5. My husband fits this category.

He's Jewish and he was cussing the Israelis yesterday as though they were the Nazis (in fact, he was making parallels of that nature).

[PDJane]

8. Yes.

I try not to get involved, however, since my opinions are not "Jewish," apparently.

I am dismayed and deeply offended by the "support Israel at all costs" mindset. We have no right to displace the Palestinians and no right to the killing that is being done in the name of Jewish security. At this point, I see nothing about Israel that makes it a model state for anyone.

Israel is the occupier, the aggressor, and the seige of Gaza is apalling.

[mucifer]

9. I feel the exact same way. I tend to stay away from the I/P threads.

[Stargleamer]

10. Yes, right here

and I think Zionism was/is wrong too--the land had people in it, it wasn't fair or right just to take it over.

[LeftishBrit]

21. So did America already have people in it.

Whether you approve of the original establishment of the state of Israel or not, you can't just say it should disappear now - that's a recipe for terrible war. Would you also say America should just be returned to the Native Americans right now?

[ShadesOfGrey]

24. Native Americans ARE US citizens...

with all the same rights and privilages.

[fla nocount]

25. Works for me. n/t

[Stargleamer]

34. If Native Americans want their own sovereign state

within the U.S., just like Palestinians want their own country, I say let them have it.

[dflprincess]

36. Native Americans do have sovereignty within their reservations

That's how they get around a lot of state gambling laws.

Remember when Bush tried to expaly tribal sovereignty? I wonder if that clip is out on You Tube, I could use a laugh tonight.

[ldf]

35. original establishment of israel

that is the crux of the matter.

a poster mentioned up thread about the establishment of israel resulting in the displacement of people who lived there.

there WERE people there, and they WERE displaced.

and those misplaced, understandably, fought back.

but the nation of israel was given boundaries, blessed by the other nations of the world.

40 years ago, israel felt it had to fight back against those who felt misplaced, and started expanding, taking over areas from which attacks were coming.

and has continued to expand ever since.

illegally.

israel should realize that when it goes back to its original boundaries, most of this may stop.

the current mode of response has not worked in the past, and is not working now. it may be the perfect time for an experiment.

after all, in those 40 years of almost continuous fighting, i believe most palestinians have come to accept the idea that there will always be a state of israel. they may not like it, but they will never destroy it.

but the palestinians will NEVER accept the invasion of adjacent lands, and building of huge settlements, just to guarantee continued control of lands NOT given them originally.

israel WILL go back to their original boundaries, because the palestinians will never give up resisting the invasion and occupation of their lands, nor should they.

israel can accept a political solution that includes a palestinian state, or live forever in a state of war. israel CAN NOT win, militarily.

the sooner they address that, the sooner peace will come to the area, and the whole world will benefit.

[Metta]

11. War is an extension of politics. Israel has always been particularly heavy handed.

Happy karma.

[immoderate]

12. Yep. And I'm pretty sure most Jews do.

They don't make the decisions though.

--IMM

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

13. Right.

"The consensus"

Whose? Yours?

So basically "I have decided that there is a consensus, and now demand that all people of a particular religion and/or ethnic background support it."

Get bent.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. My sister but she is not a DUer

[choie]

15. Absolutely, both my sister and I think it's despicable

[Joe the Revelator]

16. Who appointed you to speak for the consensus?

I don't agree with that at all.

[Raksha]

17. I think there are quite a few of us,

but aside from being intimidated by the security hawks (although that's rapidly changing), we're also pretty fragmented. The Jewish peace organizations don't work together, and I have *NO* idea why not. I'm on three e-mail lists: Tikkun, Shalom Center and J Street. And that's by no means a comprehensive list! I don't know why they don't coordinate more than they do, although there are signs that may be changing. But that's how it's been until now.

[methinks2]

29. I believe Tel Aviv today

had a huge protest, perhaps this is the beginning of the Peace groups organizing?!
If massive numbers of Jewish Israeli citizens stood in front of tanks I believe that like Ghandi they would be successful.. . Surely the troops wouldn't shoot that many Israeli citizens? I met many beautiful Peace loving Israelis when I visited the country. I think they could win Peace in the land if they applied themselves as a cohesive unit.

[rockymountaindem]

18. Judging by the amount and intensity of debate, I don't think there's a consensus

I for one probably come down on the opposite side from you.

[Mosby]

22. I'm Jewish - IMHO Israel should do what it needs to protect

it's citizens. Whether the Gaza operations yield good outcomes is a different issue though.

[Joe the Revelator]

30. Exactly.

[PCIntern]

23. Not me, Pal.

I am sick and tired of this double-standard applied to Israel and to no other country in the world, and I am even sicker and more tired of the "DU Outrage" whenever there's an Israeli military operation, but there are 'crickets' whenever there's a Terrorist outrage in Israel. Sure there are the usual threads with 5 or 10 replies and the tsk-tsks...but that's it. Except for the 'they were asking for it threads'.

[barb162]

26. The invasion is self-defense; it's right under international law

and every other way.

How many years should Israel be subjected to those rocket attacks? At some point you say: ENOUGH!

PS: The consensus? What consensus?

[ShadesOfGrey]

27. From browsing this forum the past hour or so, it's

sort of obvious. But, you might want to start a poll if you need numbers and all.

[barb162]

28. The polls are only as good as the number of people on here

who happen to be on line and who happen to see it and it would never be scientific. Sometimes I don't even look into GD for a few months.

[Joe the Revelator]

31. All that would prove is the same vocal "DU Committee on Self Righteous Outrage" is out in force

Nothing more nothing less.

[elleng]

32. Yes

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[lelgt60]

33. Are there any non-Jewish DU'ers who think Israel's Invasion is Right? n/t