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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 02:36 PM
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Is it possible Fitz won't bring the indictment yet to keep certain evidence out of Blago's hands now
Edited on Sun Jan-04-09 02:41 PM by redstate_democrat
If there is no indictment, Fitz doesn't have to turn over any of the tapes, list of informants, witness, etc, to Blagabitch yet. Maybe Fitz doesn't want to turn over any of that evidence just yet. By prolonging it, he can stretch it out and provide some cover for some of his witnesses. He wouldn't have to turn over the taped conversations to Blago either just yet. What does Fitz think Blago would do with the tapes, witnesses?

Perhaps Fitz is waiting for Blago to be impeached, so that he is even more isolated and marginalized, and most importantly, without the power to actually do much.

I wonder if the governor's office tapes its own phone calls. I wonder if they would be accessible under any Sunshine laws?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 02:40 PM
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1. Fuck the government. They need to put up or shut up.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 02:50 PM
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2. Fitzgerald, in my opinion, is trying to immunize himself from dismissal.
Blagojevich is entitled to defend himself and has little power if any to obstruct Fitzgerald in office or out.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 03:02 PM
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3. He should not have announced his charge unless he was ready
to indict or call a grand jury or whatever. The drama of his announcement and his delay make him look irresponsible. It looks like he had some ulterior motive -- such as political manipulation or self-aggrandizement of some sort or maybe he was under pressure from someone. (By political, I do not necessarily mean partisan.)

I don't know all the facts or understand the Illinois politics, but in general it is unwise for prosecutors to announce charges and theorize in press conferences about cases before they are ready to present a solid case.

I believe that the reason that O.J. Simpson was not convicted in the murder trial was that the prosecutors announced their theory about the time of the events of the day of the murder before ascertaining enough facts to establish a believable scenario. They could not prove the timeline that they announced. But once they had announced it, they were pretty much obliged to prove that untenable theory. If you recall, the jury found that timeline cast doubt on Simpson's guilt. Many people accuse the jury of deciding the case based on race, but I believe the jury had good grounds to reject the timeline that the prosecution presented.

Fitzgerald may have more evidence against Blagojevich than he has revealed, but in such a high profile case, he should have been more careful about making vague, wild accusations without solid supporting evidence. Even if the basic charges can be substantiated with regard to the matters that Fitzgerald mentioned, his lack of specific evidence and his delay in presenting that evidence will hurt the case. His case is especially difficult to prove because it will come down to not just what did this witness or that perpetrator say in a wiretapped conversation, but what did they mean, and did anyone take any action to put any of the threats and plans into reality. Beyond a reasonable doubt is a merciless standard of proof as Fitzgerald acknowledged in the Plame prosecution.

At this point, Fitzgerald has framed the case against Blagojevich in the public mind. If he can't prove the case as framed, the public that has supported him thus far could really turn vicious.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 03:03 PM
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4. I think the opposite. I think fitz is trying to keep the corrupt dems in the headlines.
He has done a messy job of everything if you ask me. He wouldn't let Obama speak for a long time. The msm had a field day with that. Yet, Obama still remains popular. I have no respect for fitz. He messed up the Plame case and he's messing up the blago case. He's a republican hack.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 03:19 PM
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5. I'm beginning to wonder if the Fitz is a
tool.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 03:22 PM
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6. He is.. n/t
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 05:22 PM
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10. thanks for the confirmation!
:fistbump:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 05:33 PM
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11. of course I have no "proof", but it would sure seem that
IF he had the "goods" on Blago, he would have indicted.. and if he only suspected that Blago was trying to sell the senate seat, he could have indicted him for what he had already, and then add more items later..

all he succeeded in doing, was to cast a cloud over the whole process and re-inforce the "Chicago-politics" meme and label Obama with it..
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 09:14 PM
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14. yippers n/t
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 03:32 PM
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7. Fitz has no case. Blago was as marginalized as he could get. Now, he will get stronger.
Edited on Sun Jan-04-09 03:34 PM by McCamy Taylor
Fitz hoped that his media circus would bring in a whistle blower who would give him a case. Must not have worked. Poor Fitz. Boo hoo. The Gang of Four strategy failed, maybe because in the US people sometimes feel sorry for the underdog.

Meanwhile, in New Mexico, a Rove political appointee to the DOJ plans to investigate Richardson for months in a "pay for play" case conveniently timed to keep him from joining the Obama cabinet. Coincidence? If you think so, I have a bridge to sell you.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 04:33 PM
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8. The investigation of the contract preceded the election & Richardson's nom.
It was public knowledge. It didn't just pop up after Richardson's nomination.

August 2008 article: http://www.abqjournal.com/news/state/apcontract08-30-08.htm
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 04:36 PM
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9. Part of Fitz's motion is sealed so we don't know all. Blago's attnys do not oppose the motion. nt
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 05:43 PM
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12. If he's timing his moves to political time lines....
he's a politician and thus a piss-poor prosecutor. He should be removed...he's not doing his job and is violating his oath of office.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 05:45 PM
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13. I don't much care what he does ...... Fitz is as effective as a fart in a windstorm.
A big disappointment.

Not a bad guy ...... just ineffective.
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 10:49 PM
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15. >>>
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:08 AM
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16. Nah. Fitzmas comes but once a year.
I think he blew it. Again.
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