Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Cheney: Bush's Actions Legal If Not Impeached

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 05:36 PM
Original message
Cheney: Bush's Actions Legal If Not Impeached
Source: The Raw Story

If you don't get punished, you didn't go anything wrong, right?

That's the message Vice President Dick Cheney gave in an interview with CBS' Bob Schieffer on Sunday, suggesting that a president's actions are legal if those actions didn't result in his impeachment.


Asked by Schieffer if he believed that anything the president does in time of war is legal, Cheney said there is "historic precedent of taking action that you wouldn't take in peacetime."

Cheney referenced Abraham Lincoln as an example of another president who "suspended the writ of habeus corpus" during a war, prompting this exchange:

###

SCHIEFFER: But nobody thinks that was legal.

CHENEY: Well, no. It certainly was in the sense he wasn't impeached. And it was a wartime measure that he took that I think history says today, yeah, that was probably a good thing to do.

###

The vice president spent much of the interview defending eight years of the Bush administration's policies, including its surveillance and interrogation programs.


more: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Cheney_Presidents_actions_legal_if_hes_0104.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 05:38 PM
Response to Original message
1. We are not at war n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #1
17. We are not at war: tis all an excuse for all the illegality, inhumanity, unconstitutionality that's
gone down. :D
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 05:38 PM
Response to Original message
2. Cheney Is Delusional--This Century's Kissinger
He is SO asking for a war crimes trial in the Hague AND a treason trial at home....

so let's give it to him!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #2
16. Hear! Hear!
:P
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 05:40 PM
Response to Original message
3. ROFL Go fuck yourself Mr. Cheney!
See you in the Hague. Once you collect your fucking pardon, then they will have standing, you prick.

-Hoot
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 05:40 PM
Response to Original message
4. Not exactly what he said.
He said that Lincoln's actions were legal, from the perspective that "legality" means "that which is not stopped by the legal system," and that regardless his actions were looked upon favorably by history. He's not saying Bush didn't do anything illegal per se, but rather that the country tends to be more lenient on the chief executive during wartime.

It's weaselly, but not *exactly* "Bush's actions legal if not punished."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 05:43 PM
Response to Original message
5. whenever I read some of the quotes by Cheney
all I can say is :wtf:

what bizarro universe is he living in
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 05:50 PM
Response to Original message
6. He Has Somwhat Of A Point
Edited on Sun Jan-04-09 05:50 PM by MannyGoldstein
By not impeaching Bush and Cheney, Congress has given tacit approval of their conduct that may be used in legal arguments later on.

Actually, the precedent of his predecessor in creating law through executive decree, bypassing Parliament, is is how Hitler came to rule Germany unchecked. The courts used the precedent in deciding that Hitler could do the same.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. Indeed.
Complicity through inaction sets a precedent. The Democrats in power have said, "The actions of this administration are acceptable, please feel free to continue in the future."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. Ahhh, the old "Because you let me" defense.
I can only hope Cheney's love of bunkers and holes is rewarded in spades by some/any court.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 06:02 PM
Response to Original message
8. Thanks to the 2006-2008 elections, cheney and limbaugh are eunuchs.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 06:03 PM
Response to Original message
9. Yes, the impeachment threshold.
I remember from law school.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
oldnslo Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 06:05 PM
Original message
So then Bush good president if not bumped off, ticket punched, etc.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 06:05 PM
Response to Original message
10. Wrong, Dick!
Why is everything out of this guy's mouth so wrong?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 06:28 PM
Response to Original message
11. I despise the hypocrisy that is Dick Cheney and the Federalist Society.
Edited on Sun Jan-04-09 06:32 PM by higher class
He pretends to be talking about Bush, but he is talking about himself. He is and has been the President. Don't think your fooling us, DicK.

Though you wouldn't be able to figure it out yourself, we know you were able to rely on the Federalist Society who figured out a path of screwed up reasoning and gave you the excuses as well as the accompanying signatures of that worthless Attorney General.

Then, you had Mr Addington, Woo, Libby and a batallion of other lawyers to tell you how to do it.

Nuts do you DICK - do you get pleasure when talking about Bush knowing it's yourself? Pleasure from letting George swinging from the tree? Poor George. He allowed himself to be your joke?

Nixon left two daugthers and children to deal with his reputation and legacy.

Bush is leaving two daughters and their children to deal his reputation and legacy.

And you, also, are leaving two dauthers to deal with YOUR reputation and legacy.

Yes, I support the chant - hope to watch you on tv when you arrive at the Hague.

President in act - of killing, thieving, lying,and torturring and making a huge fortune while pretending to be a VP.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
choie Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 06:34 PM
Response to Original message
12. it's just amazing that Cheney
goes on interview show after interview show, unafraid of any repercussions. The contempt with which he holds the American people, not to mention the rest of the world, is mind-boggling.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. he knows that nothing will be done to him arrogant SOB he is.
I would love for us or some attorney general prove him wrong.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 06:41 PM
Response to Original message
14. that arrogant SOB that is why our goal should be to get these criminals
their just dues.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 07:36 PM
Response to Original message
18. if the dems let these crooks walk, they will have set a frightening precedent
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Dec 27th 2024, 01:17 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC