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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:41 PM
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Bush isn't listening to us on Iraq, but he wants us to hear him tomorrow night . . .
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 01:55 PM by bigtree
January 22, 2007


Bush To Bull Past Skepticism And Opposition On Iraq


"There's no question there's a lot of skepticism, both Republicans and Democrats." -Bush in USA Today interview, 1/22/2007

Bush says he believes in his new Iraq 'plan' and he thinks that should be enough to go forward, despite the overwhelming numbers of Americans who've registered their objections in poll after poll to his plan to send more soldiers to Iraq. Bush's approval rating has been hovering around 30% since before the midterm congressional elections which destroyed his legislative majority, so it's not as if there's some hidden mass of Americans somewhere giving his presidency a silent mandate to continue.

But, in the face of objections from the majority of Americans, from a majority of legislators in Congress, and from his own generals in the field when he first broached possibility of escalating his Iraq occupation, Bush decided anyway to deploy more troops into the middle of the Iraqi civil war. In a Washington Post article yesterday, Bush was described as 'skeptical of his own military commanders' who told him they didn't need any more troops. The article also reported that Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki told Bush when the two met in Jordan that he didn't want any more American soldiers in Iraq. Still, Bush was said to be confident of his own 'judgment', so, he ignored Maliki, replaced the dissenting generals with agreeing ones, and pressed on with his escalation.

It's amazing for Bush to continue to insist that he's ordained to use our nation's defenses to prop up the dubious foreign regime in Iraq, even if it is the direct product of his military invasion and occupation. The Iraq mission's complete betrayal of our nation's constitution or conscience makes every new obstinacy by Bush - every new escalation - a betrayal of the trust which was inherent in every vote cast on his behalf.

It's that betrayal which is highlighted by his arrogant insistence that he "doesn't listen to the polls." Where then does Bush get his sense of where the country wants to go? In a February interview last year with ABC's Elizabeth Vargas, Bush admitted that he would feel unnecessarily restrained if he was made to actually take heed and follow the will of the people.

"You know, if I made decisions based upon polls, I guess I would be hamstrung," Bush told Vargas. "I make decisions based upon how to protect the American people and how to do my job and how to work with others to spread liberty and democracy no matter how hard it is."

In his last interview before his State of the Union Address Tuesday night - a sharp exchange with USA reporter David Jackson - Bush was intent on substituting his Iraq 'plan' for whatever opinion Americans might have about the wisdom of continuing and escalating his occupation. But, he was just vain enough to muse about how he though his 'plan' would be received here at home. Bush has taken the repudiating results of the last election and recast them to suit his own imagination and ambition -- like in the 'signing statements' he attaches to laws he approves with his signature, signaling his intent to ignore them or break them.

"People want to know whether or not we've got a plan to succeed," Bush reflected. "And I will tell them that the plan I have … and what I will then summarize in the speech, again, is the best chance to succeed. A lot of Americans understand that failure … could lead to great danger for the United States — if we fail in Iraq, this country becomes less secure."

"What matters is what happens on the ground," he told Jackson. "That would be the best way to show the American people that the strategy, the new strategy I've outlined, will work.

Americans will know that his 'plan' will work, Bush said, when they see it in action. He wants us to trust his judgment over the advice given by countless generals 'on the ground, by members of Congress from both parties, and from the wisdom of the American people as expressed by their votes in the last election which removed his republican enablers and replaced them with Democrats promising to find a way out of Iraq. This is the end result of his seven-week "listening tour" as Bush cherry-picked through recommendations and commanders to come up with a scheme to back up his earlier declaration that our troops would "stay in Iraq for as long as he's president." Americans will not only take his aggression, he tells us, they'll like it. Americans are sure to continue to oppose his escalation the same as they've opposed his bloody occupation.

"My legacy will be written long after I'm president," Bush said, with the ignorant naivete of a drunk teenager on a dangerously fateful joy-ride with his parent's car. He's convinced that he can outrun our ultimate verdict on his deadly binge of violence by gathering up as many soldiers as he can manage and try to quickly patch up and hide the festering wound he's fostered in Iraq before we force him out of the way.

Bush's legacy is being written now - while the images of the destruction he's mindlessly feeding with his own manufactured aggression are fresh in our view. Bush is pushing past the American people again and looking for some sort of redemptive victory in Iraq to distract from his utter failure in apprehending the 9-11 terrorists, and from his failure to contain the influence of those individuals and groups as they encourage further violence against the U.S., our allies, and our interests. But, there will be no ink-stained throngs for Bush to play liberator to as he feathers his lame-duck imperium in Iraq; only a predictably endless stream of casualties for Americans to measure the impact of his mindless decision to spurn their clear will and move forward with his cynical occupation.


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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 02:02 PM
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1. link to final
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:16 PM
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2. .
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 03:36 PM by bigtree
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 08:03 PM
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3. kick
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 08:41 PM
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4. we already have enough views on this thank you
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 09:39 PM by bigtree
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:37 PM
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5. K/R
I dread to think what price we will pay to acquiescing to the theft of the 2000 election.

Bush is moving beyon the cycicism of his colonial occupation of Iraq. To cover his crimes, he seeks to burn the entire region.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:50 PM
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8. and, we failed to stop him in 2004 . . .
What else have we taught him throughout his term except that he's free to flail our nation's resources and defenses in any way that he wants with impunity? He's desperate now to knock the Iraqis down far enough for him to claim some decrease in the violence he's instigated and fueled there before the adults come in and push him to the side.

I'm optimistic though. I've seen our opposition party in action against a republican Executive full of themselves and ours is in full gear, despite all of the anxiety coming from the more frustrated among us.

Thanks for reading.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:47 PM
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6. Fuck Bush.
He can stick his stupid speech straight up his ass.
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lse7581011 Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:47 PM
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7. Ditto! n/t
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:54 PM
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9. we aren't going to wait for him to stick it up his ass
we're going to send him to the House floor with it already firmly implanted. Make him walk with it.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:58 PM
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10. I don't know what to say, but * needs psychiatric help, is anyone
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 10:03 PM by alyce douglas
out there listening. He is a defying SOB. We don't need a daddy we need someone who has a head and brain on their shoulders, god, this is so disgusting, that it has gotten out of control.

Geez, doesn't this comment show anyone what we are dealing with.

In a February interview last year with ABC's Elizabeth Vargas, Bush admitted that he would feel unnecessarily restrained if he was made to actually take heed and follow the will of the people.

What unnecessarily restrained!!!!!!!!!!!! this guy would never have been in power this long out in Eastern block countries. Our voices are not being heard by this ignorant and arrogance SOB. Enough is enough, he is definitely a risk to everyone.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:19 PM
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12. he makes decisions
on how to pertect us . . . in Iraq. As if we ever asked him to.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 08:10 AM
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14. what now he is a mind reader of us, he again is not reading our
minds very well is he? We must leave Iraq.
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:03 PM
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11. The state of the union means nothing
The media will say how great he was a and the media will also say the liberal media isnt helping. They will then give false poll numbers showing his popularity increasing by about 10%

The only thing that will make people sit up and take notice, is DC coming to stand still on the 27th for the protest march, a crowd of 100 thousand wont do it because the media will say the crowd was 10 thousand, a crowd of 500 thousand wont do it, the media will just say, about 50 thousand people turned up.

If they can push a million+ people, and get the media to show footage (which I doubt they will, because a kid has been kidnap apparently) people might take notice.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:20 PM
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13. I would like to see a turnout like they have in other countries
put all of them held together around the nation and you have your million plus.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 08:12 AM
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15. goes back to the saying of
POWER IN NUMBERS, this will be the only way.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 09:23 AM
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16. Moratorium Day March 1969
Friday, Oct. 17, 1969
STRIKE AGAINST THE WAR

MORATORIUM" was scarcely a household word a couple of months ago. The dictionary definition is "a period of permissive or obligatory delay," and to most people it meant a pause in paying one's debts or in talking. Now, suddenly, "moratorium" has become the focus of national attention in its special 1969 sense: M-day, Oct. 15, a movement intended by its organizers and supporters to show the Nixon Administration that large and growing numbers of Americans want out of the Viet Nam war as fast as possible.

Across the nation, M-day observances are aimed at suspending business-as-usual in order to allow protest, debate and thought about the war. The Moratorium demonstrates a diversity and spread unknown in the earlier landmark protests against the war: the march on the Pentagon in October 1967, which inspired Norman Mailer's The Armies of the Night, and the bloody riots the following summer in Mayor Daley's Chicago. Each of those involved directly only a minority of the young and the radical intelligentsia, not anything resembling a cross-section of U.S. society.

M-day is different. In Brunswick, Me., 1,000 candles were to be left burning atop the Senior Center, the tallest building in northern New England. In Washington, 16 Representatives announced that they would keep the House in all-night session in order to speak against the war. In North Newton, Kans., an antique bell long disused was to be tolled some 40,000 times for the U.S. dead in Viet Nam. In the conservative city of Los Alamos, N. Mex., housewives agreed to block a bridge leading to local defense plants while carrying signs: HELP STOP THE WAR. Students from Gonzaga University and Whitworth College organized a march to the federal building in Spokane, Wash., where they would wear white armbands speckled with blood.

Letting Nixon Know

Small-town housewives and Wall Street lawyers, college presidents and politicians, veteran demonstrators and people who have never made the "V" sign of the peace movement—thousands of Americans who have never thought to grow a beard, don a hippie headband or burn a draft card—planned to turn out on M-day to register their dismay and frustration over Viet Nam. Yes terday's Vietniks are determined to grow into tomorrow's majority.

Within the diversity of M-day protest was one unifying factor: exhaustion of patience with the war, doubt about the pace of Richard Nixon's efforts to end it. Some participants had specific ideas on how to end the war. A five-point proposal came last week from Yale's President Kingman Brewster Jr. and New Haven Mayor Richard Lee, who jointly called for an immediate cease-fire followed within twelve months by withdrawal of all U.S. forces; elections supervised by "a coalition body" dominated by neither side; aid to any South Vietnamese wishing to leave his country; and U.S. economic assistance for rebuilding Viet Nam.

report: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,840217,00.html
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