Got to ask? Why are we going after our own Democrats

[Monkeyman]

Should we not send Code Pink after the Blue Dog Democrats and Republicans. Maybe I don't see what they are doing. But if it was me I get the Republicans and Blue Dogs on youtube instead of our own. Just Asking?

[rosesaylavee]

1. I am confused by that as well. n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

2. Methinks Maybe They've Lost Their Way?

Could it be that it's more now about attention than effectiveness?

Who knows. What I do know is that I agree with your sentiment.

[Kelly Rupert]

16. They've outlived their usefulness.

Now that we have Congress, opposition to the war can't just be about slogans and protests any more. It has to be about positioning, compromise, and policy, and groups like Code Pink can't understand that.

[mondo joe]

18. You'd think progressives would have a better memory of what the last few years

were like.

We actually now have Congress, though barely, and are engaging in oversight over the exec branch. Congress is at last treating Iraq seriously.

Code Pink forgets too easily what it was like with a Republican congress.

[Dr Fate]

3. Should people, DEM or GOP, who agree with Bush not be criticised?

Should activists allow certain Democrats to agree with Bush, but only attack the Republicans who hold the same or similar positions?

[NYCGirl]

8. Code Pink is "taking over" Nancy Pelosi's office. Does she agree with Bush?

I don't think so.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2777339

[Dr Fate]

11. She seems to agree with him on impeachment.

Both seem to think it should be off the table.

Both seem to think that we dont need to leave Iraq, like YESTERDAY as well.

Maybe she will change her mind, and then Code Pink will leave her alone.

I'm not saying Code Pink represents me, but Code Pink probably disagrees with both Pelosi and Bush for similar reasons.

[NYCGirl]

22. Thom Hartmann pointed out the other day that the Speaker of the House HAS to

say impeachment is off the table, since she is second in line to the president. Why not someone else start the proceedings?

[Kelly Rupert]

4. Hell, not even the Blue Dogs.

We can start purging our own once we have 435 House seats and 100 Senate seats. As long as we have fewer, we should concentrate on keeping the Republicans from having control of either house.

[Dr Fate]

5. I dont know about a "purge"- but when they agree with Bush instead of Liberals & moderates...

...shouldnt activists or any citizen express their disapproval?

[Monkeyman]

9. That's what I am asking. The Blue Dogs seem to want to fully fund Iraq

[tandot]

6. I am still trying to figure that out, too.

We don't have the veto-proof majority we need to get anything passed.

[Dr Fate]

12. It's at the point where many people just dont care about these excuses anymore.

The "we dont have enough votes" excuse will be worn out soon enough- then DEMS will have to have a new talking point to explain themselves.

At some point, folks are going to want to see a vote so they count heads as to is on their side or not- veto-proof or not.

[Monkeyman]

13. The point is we are vote shorts to even pass the bill

Should we not work on the hold out to make sure the Troops have a deadline to get out

[Dr Fate]

14. I dont understand you. Please clarify. n/t

n/t

[Monkeyman]

19. The Bill on Iraq set time limits and make sure they stop sending in untrained troops

We will not have vote to stop the funding. But we can force Bush to Veto the bill turning their talking points around on them. Murtha and others can make sure the pressure turn on them. To pull out or win. There is no victory in Iraq and never will be. So pull out is the only way. We need America to see we are at least trying to get them out

[LSK]

7. because people dont know how to count to 60

[cali]

10. Code Pink is getting on my last nerve

with their bird dogging of Pelosi. They camp out at her home and now they plan to take over her office. Wrong target folks.

[aquart]

15. Code Pink is doing Pelosi a huge favor.

Pelosi has been hung with the "liberal" label (which is good news to me, but the word's been kinda poisoned).

Code Pink reminds the American public that there's way lefter (sic) than anything we got in Congress.

Honestly, this generation no longer has a clue what "left" is. Unless it's "left behind."

[Dr Fate]

21. I'm not so sure this will be Pelosi's "Sister Soulja" moment.

Fact is, a majority of Americans-including moderates & conservatives are wondering why we are still going along with Bush's war.

Code Pink will appear less & less radical IF the public sees more of the same from Congress in the coming months.

[Raine]

26. GOOD point

they will probably bring converts to Pelosi from among those that thought she was too liberal.

[Raven]

17. Got to ask...why did I break my ass for these people?

Why? And I won't again.

[mondo joe]

20. You're the only one who can answer that. Why DID you?

What exactly did you think you would get with a paper thin majority in congress?

[Marrah_G]

23. It's like a child having a tantrum

Screaming I WANT IT AND I WANT IT RIGHT NOW! It's doesn't matter if mommy doesn't have enough money right this second. Dammit they want it RIGHT NOW.

We won a Victory in November and it is going to take time to undo the damage. People in our culture have NO patience for anything. I look and I see things finally being investigated and people working hard to try and get the votes they need to change things. I know that it will take time, but every small victory is still a victory.

Slamming the Dems constantly is just going to turn people against Liberals in general and then it will be right back to the same old neocon bullshit.

People like Code Pink and some others will never have my support. People working to strengthen our party will.

Anti-war protests are great- Eating our own is not.

[PhilipShore]

24. I have researched dissent movements for years...

and I have even participated in some of them -- in my college days; the protest movements of today are crazy. A movement is made up of people, not causes.

I think the problem is that -- the socialist/communists have taken over leadership roles for many of these groups. What I would do is simply ignore them, most of them are lunatics.

There are of course a few good people that go to demonstrations, but they would achieve so much more, by simply not joining the group.

These days the problem is that, joining the group, takes away individual creativity.

If you speak to some of these people, as individuals, there philosophy is quite cowardly. For example, I called up a Union, and I wanted to hire a Union employee to do some work around my apartment, and they were rude and said, "We don't work for tenants, only landlords, you have to understand we have to do what we are told as employees."

I mean talk about a slave mentality; then they think, march in the streets with millions of people once a year will make the powers-that be blink.

The only thing that makes the powers that be be blink, is the truth, and people demanding that things change for the better. One can do that these days much better as an individual, because the individual is much more able to be reasonable and understand what reality is, and thus demand change.

99% of all protest to power acts; are decision making, what you decide, when faced with a problem -- going to demos only works when the group is spiritually and psychologically organized, and is only 1% of the work needed to change the world. The numbers of people that goes to a demo means nothing.

[A Simple Game]

25. Simply the path of least resistance.

Code pink knows there are two groups that could give them all or some of what they want.

They know one group, the Republicans, don't want to and will not give them anything.

The other group, the Democrats, have promised some of what they want but haven't given it to them yet.

Which group would you be pushing?