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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:06 PM
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John Dean: New Developments in the U.S. Attorney Controversy:
Edited on Thu Mar-22-07 08:09 PM by seafan
New Developments in the U.S. Attorney Controversy:

Why Bush Refuses to Allow Karl Rove and Harriet Miers to Testify Before Congress, and What Role New White House Counsel Fred Fielding May Play

By John Dean
March 23, 2007


At the outset of this column - which discusses Bush's new White House Counsel, Fred Fielding -- I must acknowledge that I am the person who first hired, and brought Fielding into the government. He served as my deputy in the Nixon White House, and was untouched by Watergate, because I shielded all my staff from that unpleasant business. Fred is an able lawyer, and now finds himself in the hot seat, with President Bush seemingly looking for a fight with Congress. (But that's what makes the job interesting.)


One further disclosure: I have never been an advocate of executive privilege, except as it might relate to the most sensitive national security information. To the contrary, you show me a White House aide who does not want his conversations and advice to the president revealed, and I will show you someone who should not be talking with or advising a president.
Of course, I do not know what is transpiring behind closed doors at the White House right now. But I do believe there is more occurring than meets the eye with respect to the potential confrontation developing between the Democratic Congress and the Bush White House. On the surface, the clash appears rather simple: Congress wants information, and Bush does want to provide it if it means breaching the sanctity of the realm in which he receives advice from his aides privately. But this surface conflict, as I will explain, does not get to the bottom of this developing dust-up.


In truth, much more is at stake here for both the Congress and the White House than this bare description of the conflict would indicate. These issues strike at the heart of what post-Watergate conservative Republicans seek to create: an all-powerful presidency. Thus, for the same reason that Vice President Cheney went to extreme lengths to block Congress from getting information about the work of his National Energy Task Force, as I discussed in prior columns such as this one, I expect President Bush to take what will appear to be a similar irrational posture. For both Bush and Cheney, virtually any limit on presidential power is too great.
And this conflict, in the end, is all about presidential power. Moreover, underlying the Administration's defense of unchecked power, is a term that has not been heard since Justice Alito's confirmation hearings: "the unitary executive theory." Once, conservatives rejected a strong presidency. Today, however, the opposite is the case, and the unitary executive theory is central to their argument.

.....

This time, it is my belief that Bush - unlike Reagan before him -- will not blink. He will not let Fielding strike a deal, as Fielding did for Reagan. Rather, Bush feels that he has his manhood on the line. He knows what his conservative constituency wants: a strong president who protects his prerogatives. He believes in the unitary executive theory of protecting those prerogatives, and of strengthening the presidency by defying Congress.


In short, all those who have wanted to see Karl Rove in jail may get their wish, for he will not cave in, either - and may well be prosecuted for contempt, as Gorsuch was not. Bush's greatest problem here, however, is Harriett Miers. It is dubious he can exert any privilege over a former White House Counsel; I doubt she is ready to go to prison for him; and all who know her say if she is under oath, she will not lie. That could be a problem.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:08 PM
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1. K&R. nt
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:14 PM
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2. Well, that's a K&R. Ooops, Harriet...plus the Supreme Court creates a crisis.
From above quotation: "In short, all those who have wanted to see Karl Rove in jail may get their wish, for he will not cave in, either - and may well be prosecuted for contempt, as Gorsuch was not. Bush's greatest problem here, however, is Harriett Miers. It is dubious he can exert any privilege over a former White House Counsel; I doubt she is ready to go to prison for him; and all who know her say if she is under oath, she will not lie. That could be a problem."

Harriett is the nightmare waiting to happen. She's been the Lady Macbeth for a good while.

But, let's talk SCOTUS. Alito and Roberts will align with the * WH. There's Scalia and Thomas too.
So "What cha gonna do when the Hulk comes down on you?" You're going to get Kennedy flipping. He's a country club, economic Republican. He's going to be pulled between two Mac trucks and he won't like it. One way or the other, this will be his fall. Hot stuff, high drama, lots of pressure.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:30 PM
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7. I agree on Scalia, Alito, and Thomas. Roberts, I'm notso sure.
I think a lot depends on who argues the case to the SCOTUS.

There's something Dean said on Olberman's show tonight that's not in this article. "Executive Priviledge only covers communications between the President and his advisor, NOT the advisor's conversations with others." THAT I think will make a BIG difference if this case is argued that way. I know Roberts is a Pub, but I also believe he's a very ethical man too. I honestly think he would rule according to his interpretation of the law, and not only partisan politics like Scalia & Thomas seem to do.

It sure will be an interesting time though.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:39 PM
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10. I'd like to think Roberts is an ethical man.
I guess we might get a chance to find out.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:31 PM
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27. yeah, I have the feeling that he might be as well. I fully expect Alito
to back the Administration, but I think Roberts is a wild card.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:11 PM
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23. Since bush asserts he knew nothing of the firings, then there would be no communications
between his advisors and him.

So no executive priviledge.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 02:16 AM
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41. Give that man a Senate seat!
You're right That's such a great point. The assertion is an admission that that statement is a lie.

You should do an OP on that. It's like Zen or something.

So when do we hear from your big guy? I'm looking forward to that and expect that it will be
very good.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 05:30 AM
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45. It not only fails on the grounds there was no communication,
it is blown to hell by precedent.

Clinton sent his aides and advisors to testify boo koo times in front of republic committees.

The Supremes have to decide any case based on case law and precedent.

There isn't a chance in hell they could justify ruling against Leahy or Conyers.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 11:36 PM
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33. I don't think you can belong to the Federalist Society and be ethical.
Also, isn't he an Opus Dei kinda guy? That also says unethical to me. I don't trust Roberts. I think he is just like all the other Opus Dei Federalist Society Unitary Executive fascists. Or else he is just an opportunist who pretended to be all those things just to get his seat on the SCOTUS.

But ethical? I doubt it.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 11:56 PM
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36. agreed. and he lied under oath when he said that he would maintain an open mind about
roe vs wade. his wife is a huge pro-life leader.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 02:13 AM
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40. I'll accept your optimism. If he's ethical, that's great.
Because, ethics is anything but the essence of the * defense.

When someone like Tancredo can call for Gonzo's ouster, I guess the smart, ethicals can rule honestly. After all, it's a lifetime apointment.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 10:48 AM
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50. "if she is under oath, she will not lie."
A very strong suggestion that she/they will LIE if not under oath...Dignity and Integrity on display for all to witness..
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 10:53 AM
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52. Roberts and Alito are Bush appointees...
as well as 'loyal Bushies'...otherwise they wouldn't have even been considered for the position. Witness Harriet Miers nomination- first thing considered was her loyalty and relationship to Bush. Ability and fitness for the job were neither prerequisites or considered until it came to the really hard questions...like filling out the application. :eyes:

Shouldn't Roberts and Alito recuse themselves from this circlejerk imbroglio?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 12:57 PM
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58. I don't think Harriet Miers will turn on *. I believe she took her "dismissal" as
a good soldier. I'm sure * layed the praise on her knowing she was smitten with him. I beleive she blames forrces outside the WH for her position (or lack of). I'm sure she was honored to be nominated.

As far as the SCOTUS, I have some hope for Roberts as well. It's a lifetime appointment, so he has nothing to fear. I have hope that he, as well as Kennedy, will do the right thing for the country. Of course, if I'm wrong (and it very well may be) we're f&*!ed. Then we must move to another plane in reality.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:17 PM
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3. Kick
This sounds very good.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:20 PM
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4. Memo to Harriet: Stay off of small planes, as a matter of fact, just stay home.
K&R.
BHN
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:27 PM
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25. Amen Brother Those who threaten The BFEE tend to Die in "Small Plane Crashes"
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 04:21 AM
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42. Like Paul Wellstone?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 12:27 PM
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55. Like Salem bin Laden ? .....
""May 29, 1988
Salem bin Laden
42, brother of Osama bin Laden Near San Antonio, Texas Ultralight Too off and crashed into high power lines and fell 115 feet to the ground. 1 killed ""

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/famous1980s.htm

""May 29, 1968
09:49 Mohammed bin Laden
73, father of Osama bin Laden San Antonio, Texas Beech 95-C55
N2090W Crashed while taking off. Fuel starvation. Fuel selector in wrong position. 2 killed. ""

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/famous1960s.htm

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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:23 PM
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5. K&R
Dean was great on Olbermann tonight, as always.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:43 PM
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11. here is video link
Edited on Thu Mar-22-07 08:55 PM by DemReadingDU
http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=851fee01-7059-423d-a8b5-ac94503b0b1b&f=00&fg=email


edit to add: the video is long, about 11.5 minutes
Leahy begins at about 4.5 minutes into the video
John Dean not on this video.


Here is the video with Dean...

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=994c35b5-319a-4fdd-9e7c-9ff95885e927&f=00&fg=email

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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:24 PM
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6. I agree with Dean they will not leave the WhiteHouse
they will blink
so it will get down to a Constitutional Crisis
Congress back down or Rove arrested for contempt

but I want to know who will arrest him???
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 05:08 AM
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43. DOG....The Bounty Hunter!



If that crack team of bounty hunters can't bring Rove in, no one can. ;) I'd love to see the porcine Rove creature brought to justice by the likes of Dog and his team. Rove would be soiling his Huggies, that's for sure! :rofl:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:37 PM
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8. If you haven't read his recent book - do so.
It gives context for his current commentary (per his perspective) and introduces some great info and academic research to understand the behavior of some of the current authoritarian actions of the bushco and why some still follow.

This man's words are so important. His perspective is so unique per his involvement in the end days of the Nixon White House but with no allegiance to protecting todays' GOP.

That said... k & r.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:38 PM
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9. I totally agree. They will not back down or compromise.
This is the fight they have been waiting for. Time to test the Yoonitary Executive. There will be a constitutional emergency, capital hill will shut down and this will be before the Roberts court in a very quick fashion. I don't think we will have to wait very long.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:44 PM
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12. Remember how many of us cycnics thought the Miers nomination
was in no small way an attempt by Bush to silence a potential witness as second-term scandals unfolded? Sounds like we were right.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:46 PM
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13. The assertion of a "unitary executive" is dictatorial and defies democratic ideals,...
,...expressed both by the founders and held within the COTUS.

Moreover,...let's have an honest and OPEN discussion about this administration's "prerogatives": PRO-PRIVATIZATION, ANTI-POPULIST GOVERNANCE, ANTI-DEMOCRACY, PRO-CORPORATOCRACY. If that's not tyranny/dictatorship/fascism, what is? I mean, if Mussolini was correct in proposing that corporatism is fascism, what does this administration pursue?

Yuck!

What I find particularly defiant about this administration's attempt to replace these USAGs with PERMANENT 'loyalists' via the last minute, sneaked-in provision in the anti-"Patriot Act" is the FACT THEY PLANNED AN ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL ACTIVITY to clearly serve their own power-seeking interests. It's beyond appalling,...IT IS TYRANNICAL and totally antithetical to every underlying motivation in creating this nation.

I mean, crap,...all those of us who are FOR a democratic and just nation are the natural nemesis of these elitist ideologues. So, it is no wonder they constantly defame any and every one in their path.

Oh, I could go on.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 05:15 AM
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44. Now, imagine if you will....
that a Democrat is elected President in 2008. Does anyone believe for one minute that the Republics would still insist on a "unitary executive" then? No, the rules would change once again. They'd work as hard as they could to strip the President of power, saying "the framers of the Constitution never meant for any one branch of government to have too much power........", yada, yada, yada. You KNOW they would. These rules only apply when a Republic is in power, don'tcha know. :eyes: These cretins are so predictable.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 09:59 AM
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48. Yes
and when called on their previous positions they'll start babbling about 9-11 and terror.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 01:36 PM
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61. ABSOLUTELY
They don't want a powerful unified pluralistic America, only a divided dictatorship of conservative perverts with ultimate power of the hoi polloi. .
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CRH Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 11:31 AM
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53. You don't need to go on, you are spot on, ...
Edited on Fri Mar-23-07 11:38 AM by CRH
I had this written up before happening upon your post, and this seems like a good place to insert it in this thread.

Perhaps the most detrimental effect the Bush II administration has had on the integrity of the US Constitution is its use of executive privilege for pure unbridled power, to usurp the oversight powers granted congress and the courts. It is this sense of danger to the balances of power created in the Constitution that has driven many to struggle against what amounts to the absolute tyranny of a Unitary Presidency, that dissolves with scorn all forces supporting negotiation, arbitration, and compromise.

If Bush is allowed to succeed he will have accomplished what other conservative presidents have attempted, but then, when in constitutional skirmish, have wavered and retreated. He will have dismantled the protections against dictatorial power, a power that resists all oversight and transparency.

Combine this political dictatorial power with the corporatocracy in place, and the velvet fascism we live under today turns much uglier, fast.

The neocons have followed the PNAC doctrines as far as their political capital has allowed. Now that they are running short on capital, their parting gesture is preparing for future consolidation of power in the hands of one entity.

If Bush will not retreat, it is time to burn Bush with impeachment and conviction. This constitutional crisis he brings us, becomes either his legacy or ligature. There is no backing down.

edit: deleted paragraph below after misreading a thread title.


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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 01:16 PM
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59. Very well said. Welcome to DU, by the way!
It seems to me that our speed is rapidly accelerating toward removing this regime, however that will be accomplished.

The center of this facade has rotted through and collapsed. Stand back everyone. It's about to get very, very ugly.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:55 PM
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14. Dean explains the origin of the Unitary Executive Theory
From the OP link:


.....

When the obscure philosophy surfaced during the Alito hearings, Writ guest columnist Jennifer Van Bergen assembled a brisk overview of its salient points. But for a quick and a bit more in-depth course in Unitary Executive Theory 101, I would suggest an analysis by Loyola Law School Professors Karl Manheim and Allan Ides.


Professors Manheim and Ides trace the origins, evolution, and current uses of the unitary executive theory. While it is beyond the scope of their analysis, they also, along the way, provide information useful to deconstruct and critically analyze this concocted effort at legal (and historical) legerdemain. This is not the place for me to unload on this hogwash theory, but I must pause to comment, at least, on its purported links to Alexander Hamilton's purported vision of "a unitary executive."
This was not remotely Hamilton's vision. Listen, for example, to what Morton Rosenberg says; he is a specialist in American Public Law at the non-partisan Congressional Reference Service of the Library of Congress, and he is described by many of those who know him as the smartest guy in the place. Rosenberg was one of the first to correct this loopy scholarship when it began appearing in the early 1980s.


Rosenberg places Hamilton in a realistic context, as he knocks down several shaky pillars upon which unitary executive theorists have tried to build: "The framers had no reason to envisage the management of an industrial nation as the essential function of the office ," Rosenberg explains. "Whatever managerial insights Hamilton had were confined to commerce, banking, and monetary policy…. Nor did conceive of the presidency as an institutionalized representation of popular will distinct from, let alone capable of opposition to, the will expressed by the legislature. Even Hamilton's most strenuous defenses of executive authority emphasized the president's role as the managerial agent for the legislature, not his popular independence in reflection of some other popular will."


Manheim and Ides explain that the essence of the unitary executive "theory" is "more about power than it is about law." And power, here, means presidential power: The "unitary executive" theory is a theoretical, legal, historical, and Constitutional hook conservatives have invented to expand presidential power.

These "unitarians" postulate, as Manheim and Ides note, "that the authority to enforce federal law and to implement federal policy rest exclusively in the Executive Branch and, most importantly, the ultimate prerogative over this executive function is vested solely and completely in the President, who sits atop the hierarchy of executive power and responsibility." This exclusivity, in the unitarians' view, precludes any but the most minimal role for Congress: Its role, they believe, is simply to decide whether to appropriate money; otherwise, it must butt out completely.

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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:49 PM
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30. Great read!!! Excellent analysis. I am printing it out now.
Thank you.

Thank you. :hi:
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 08:56 PM
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15. Thanks for posting this. I've been waiting for Dean to weigh in.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 09:00 PM
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16. RWers and "unitary executive" ...
I've found it rather useless to point out the crimes and dictator-like stance to the 30%-ers. However, I remind them that the precedent this administration is trying to set with regard to the power of the Executive Branch can be exercised by future presidents. I tell them to imagine Hilary or Obama or any of the others who strike the fear of God into them having the same powers they want B*sh to have.

LOL. It's fun. :rofl:
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 09:04 PM
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17. from a conservative perspective, how does the "Unitary Executive Theory" apply....
to a Democratic president?

if the cheney mis-administration wins this round, aren't they setting precedent for the next and very likely Democratic potus?
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 09:20 PM
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19. I don't think this gang ever intended to relinquish ultimate power.
In that light, they never concerned themselves with a *Democrat* in the White House, because with voter suppression and election manipulation managed by corrupt software, it was never going to happen.


In the very same fashion, no exit plan was created from Iraq, because * and Cheney never intend to leave. Hence the oil contracts Iraq is being forced to sign, and the Vatican City-sized American embassy being completed on the banks of the Tigris River, on budget, and due for completion in June, 2007.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 11:58 PM
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37. they cant have a democratic president. remember? they will do ANYTHING to get rid of a dem pres.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 09:09 PM
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18. Delete. This was suppose to go under the George Allen thread
Edited on Thu Mar-22-07 09:13 PM by Elwood P Dowd
:beer:
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 09:33 PM
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20. When push comes to shove, the pragmatist in the Repub Party will turn against Bush...
Bush may be willing to go down in flames to protect his Presidential legacy, especially since he is a lame duck.

Career Republicans on Capitol Hill are looking ahead, they can see the looming catastrophe of allowing Bush to pursue his insanity that will result in a flaming crash of the Republican Party.

While loyalty and lockstep allegiance have been the watchwords for every White House employee during the Bush Administration, I suspect there are still a couple who have some shreds of a conscience remaining. I doubt they are willing to go to jail to protect Bush and his legacy.

Once the tide begins to turn, Repubs will visit Bush and tell him it is time to cave or it will be time for him to go.

Republicans will never regain power until they separate themselves from Bush and falsely convince the public that they never really supported Bush's disasterous policies. They know this now. It is just a matter of time....
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ogsball Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:21 PM
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24. Will Bush Sr chime in?
Bush Sr I believe was a Republican pragmatists. What will he do now if his son causes a constitutional crisis?

I looked like he tried with Baker to bail his son out of the Iraq mess. Advise that was ignored will he try again?
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:34 PM
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28. GHWB and Junior are playing out their familial pathology on the world stage now.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 11:59 PM
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38. exactly. He is no better, not for a single second.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:36 PM
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29. Only the ones who haven't cashed in on the runaway corruption train, should there be any. nt
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:01 PM
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21. ..."That could be a problem." .......
ya think? If I were Harriett Miers, I'd lock my doors and stay out of small planes. She is the weak link here.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:03 PM
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22. I'm waiting for Bush to make his horse a senator
as did Caligula under his tyranny
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 11:13 PM
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32. That won't happen. Bush is afraid of horses.
He'll have to settle for promoting Barney.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 11:41 PM
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35. Hence the difference in tyranny
Caligula's horse versus Bush's scotty
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 10:30 PM
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26. Great article
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 11:05 PM
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31. I think Harriett Miers would lie for him. nt
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-22-07 11:38 PM
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34. Hmmm ... she does think he is the most brilliant man she ever met. Maybe..n/t
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 12:02 AM
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39. If you believe in a supreme leader, everything else can be justified away.
She already has. the Bush AWOL episode. I only cite one because that's the only one I know of.
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 09:27 AM
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46. "Worse than Watergate" is a book I highly recommend. Dean thoroughly explains the all-powerful
Presidency concept.

And then, of course, his recent book "Conservatives without Conscience" sheds even more light.
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 09:50 AM
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47. K&R - the unitary executive theory doesn't seem to have done the country much good has it??
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Throwing Stones Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 10:34 AM
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49. what a great line
Edited on Fri Mar-23-07 10:34 AM by Throwing Stones
"(Y)ou show me a White House aide who does not want his conversations and advice to the president revealed, and I will show you someone who should not be talking with or advising a president."
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 02:43 PM
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64. Scumbag since conception = KKarl Rove
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 10:53 AM
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51. Boy Do I Concur With Dean
The one thing that's consistent with what i've been saying since the Cheney Energy Task Force, is this quote: "To the contrary, you show me a White House aide who does not want his conversations and advice to the president revealed, and I will show you someone who should not be talking with or advising a president."

The Professor
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 12:11 PM
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54. "[S]he will not lie. That could be a problem."
:rofl:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 12:54 PM
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56. Woodamnwhoo! I love the KKKarl Red Rover jail talk!
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 12:56 PM
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57. Just a reminder: Fielding is pushing for no future testimony or subpoenas as well.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 01:21 PM
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60. no small plane trips for Harriet.
I hope.

This bunch is diabolical.

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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 01:48 PM
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62. This is the 2nd time John Dean has stood up to save this country!
I remember during Watergate in 1973 watching him testify during those proceedings and I thought to myself, "Geezus, that guy's got guts."
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 02:35 PM
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63. Truly, Dean is an American hero He has been
So disgusted by the Bushies that he wrote a book late in 2005.

Brilliant mind. Brilliant speaker.

I know it's considered cool on DU to hate the Republican Party and for what it stands - but there was a time in America where it was a party of principle -- and although I want the Dems in power, I would love to see the RP turn back to what it once was.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-23-07 04:34 PM
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65. Wow, nice to know that
the frog march dreams for Rove live on. ;)

:kick:
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