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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:07 PM
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After Listening To The Blago News Conference And Hearing Him Defend Himself.....
if what he is saying is true - it appears that he's done some really cool and good things for the people of Illinois. I know that the state legislature has fought him all the way. One other thing that he has done was provide free public transportation for senior citizens. This is really good and my 85 y/o mother loves him for this - because she uses public trans to get all over the Chicago Metropolitan Area.

Now what if - what if - the money people and lobby's - really have it against him because they feel he is upsetting their applecarts? What would one do to get rid of the guy. Hmmmm.... This whole 'pay for play' scandal I'm sure is not only happening in Illinois. I'm sure other politicians in other states play the same game - but if they play the way the money people and lobby's want - I'm sure they don't get their phones tapped.

Blago claims he is innocent and will be exonerated. It apparent that he is going to fight this all the way. And I know that Fitz pushed the button early - but really - I don't think that any favors or money changed hands in this senate seat appointment.

It accomplished one thing - it got the Illinois State Legislature off their butts and they voted for impeachment. It might even lead to ousting him from office but Blago will have his day to defend himself and who knows - maybe he'll come out of it like Bill Clinton did in the Lewinsky incident.

But what if someone has it in for him because he's spoiling their party and doing the right things?

I call your attention to another Governor that resigned because of a scandal - Elliot Spitzer. Did you know that Spitzer as attorney general, prosecuted cases relating to corporate white collar crime, securities fraud, internet fraud and environmental protection. He most notably pursued cases against companies involved in computer chip price fixing, investment bank stock price inflation, and the 2003 mutual fund scandal. He also sued Richard Grasso, the former chairman of the New York Stock Exchange, claiming he had failed to fully inform the board of directors of his deferred compensation package, which exceeded $140 million.

And maybe - just maybe - he was on to something that would have unraveled this current banking/credit crisis that we are in. Don't know if he could have prevented it - but he may have been able to stop things before they got too out of hand.

But what happens - a 'sex scandal' and bang - he's out of office. Months later the bottom falls out and we have the subprime crisis and look where we are now.

Could it be that the money people and lobby's wanted him taken out because he was getting too close.

I know - you're going to say that I have my 'tinfoil hat' on too tight. but I'm just saying what if.

I don't trust Bush/Cheney. They did illegally wiretap us. Why have they not been taken to task on any of their law breaking and traitorous behavior? Maybe - just maybe - they have something on most pols - that if a pol steps out of line - bang - sex scandal - resignation or wiretap - impeachment.

Interesting that Feinstein and Rockefeller were both upset with the Panetta appointment to CIA by Obama. Thom Hartman feels that maybe they were complicit in the torture activities of Bush/Cheney - knew about it but did nothing - and they don't want Panetta snooping around.

Again - I'm just positing that somebody might have something on Diane and Jay - and they are afraid to go down in flames. NOt quite the same analogy as the Gov's above - but - I come from the school that most of the pols stay in line because someone - somewhere has the goods on them and they play the game - because they want to avoid being called insane like they are now trying to do to Blago.

Sorry for the rambling - but I'm curious as to everyone else's take on this.



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zagging Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:10 PM
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1. The ol' hooker with a heart of gold story.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:14 PM
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2. In the Impression Management Category, Blago's the clear winner
Fitz, Reid, the IL House - all look silly
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:15 PM
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3. He's being crucified by the people he has beaten for office.
THe whole thing is bogus & they know it, but they have all the do-gooders including a bunch of people here up in arms about nothing, all going "oooohhh ... what he said!!!"
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zagging Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:23 PM
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9. Yes, for what he said
Edited on Fri Jan-09-09 05:23 PM by zagging
After all, what he said was that he was conspiring to commit a crime, trapped or not.

Or did I miss the sarcasm thing?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:37 PM
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16. Since when was talking shit, particularly political shit a crime?
When idiot fitz gets involved, that's when.
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zagging Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:41 PM
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18. He wasn't talking political
He was talking about selling the senate seat for personal gain.

I think at the very least you would consider it a suspicious act on his part.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:43 PM
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19. All kinds of shit is suspicious if you want to play it that way.
Edited on Fri Jan-09-09 05:47 PM by The_Casual_Observer
& that's exactly what they are doing, & the goobers are eating it up with arms raised. The Senater thing never happend, they can't find anybody how gave him a bribe or was even asked for one. They caught him on a chickenshit no-good wire tap talking shit to a buddy or something saying god knows what.

Ever talked shit to a buddy? Would you like the feds listen in & bust you for what you said? I sure as fuck wouldn't, but that's were this is all leading in the end.

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zagging Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:52 PM
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20. OK, so there is no honor among thieves
What Blago did was certainly out of the ordinary and deserves investigation. His compatriots will fry him, and even if they were tempted to acquit him they could not. He deserves some censure from his state legislature for exposing the whole corrupt state game to the light of federal scrutiny.

They have to fry him so the feds don't fry them all.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:16 PM
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4. Spitzer
I think he got selectively prosecuted as a result of people in the Bush admin phishing his electronic communications via their years of FISA spying abuse.

I also think the illegal spying has proven to be excellent Impeachment/Criminal Prosecution Insurance for almost eigth years for the Bush Administration.


-90% Jimmy
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:27 PM
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10. I think it had to with shit like this..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR2008021302783.html
Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime
How the Bush Administration Stopped the States From Stepping In to Help Consumers


By Eliot Spitzer
Thursday, February 14, 2008; Page A25

Several years ago, state attorneys general and others involved in consumer protection began to notice a marked increase in a range of predatory lending practices by mortgage lenders. Some were misrepresenting the terms of loans, making loans without regard to consumers' ability to repay, making loans with deceptive "teaser" rates that later ballooned astronomically, packing loans with undisclosed charges and fees, or even paying illegal kickbacks. These and other practices, we noticed, were having a devastating effect on home buyers. In addition, the widespread nature of these practices, if left unchecked, threatened our financial markets.

Even though predatory lending was becoming a national problem, the Bush administration looked the other way and did nothing to protect American homeowners. In fact, the government chose instead to align itself with the banks that were victimizing consumers.

Predatory lending was widely understood to present a looming national crisis. This threat was so clear that as New York attorney general, I joined with colleagues in the other 49 states in attempting to fill the void left by the federal government. Individually, and together, state attorneys general of both parties brought litigation or entered into settlements with many subprime lenders that were engaged in predatory lending practices. Several state legislatures, including New York's, enacted laws aimed at curbing such practices.

What did the Bush administration do in response? Did it reverse course and decide to take action to halt this burgeoning scourge? As Americans are now painfully aware, with hundreds of thousands of homeowners facing foreclosure and our markets reeling, the answer is a resounding no.

Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye.

Let me explain: The administration accomplished this feat through an obscure federal agency called the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC). The OCC has been in existence since the Civil War. Its mission is to ensure the fiscal soundness of national banks. For 140 years, the OCC examined the books of national banks to make sure they were balanced, an important but uncontroversial function. But a few years ago, for the first time in its history, the OCC was used as a tool against consumers.

In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks. The federal government's actions were so egregious and so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all 50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules.

But the unanimous opposition of the 50 states did not deter, or even slow, the Bush administration in its goal of protecting the banks. In fact, when my office opened an investigation of possible discrimination in mortgage lending by a number of banks, the OCC filed a federal lawsuit to stop the investigation.

Throughout our battles with the OCC and the banks, the mantra of the banks and their defenders was that efforts to curb predatory lending would deny access to credit to the very consumers the states were trying to protect. But the curbs we sought on predatory and unfair lending would have in no way jeopardized access to the legitimate credit market for appropriately priced loans. Instead, they would have stopped the scourge of predatory lending practices that have resulted in countless thousands of consumers losing their homes and put our economy in a precarious position.

When history tells the story of the subprime lending crisis and recounts its devastating effects on the lives of so many innocent homeowners, the Bush administration will not be judged favorably. The tale is still unfolding, but when the dust settles, it will be judged as a willing accomplice to the lenders who went to any lengths in their quest for profits. So willing, in fact, that it used the power of the federal government in an unprecedented assault on state legislatures, as well as on state attorneys general and anyone else on the side of consumers.

The writer is governor of New York.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:34 PM
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13. Thank you!
That's the story I was going to find to back up my assertion as well.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:37 PM
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15. Talk about cause and effect!!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:38 PM
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17. And on March 10 2008
Paulen, Bush and Rove took him down although his own indiscretions gave them the opening.
Of course if they weren't violating privacy laws, this would never have happened.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/nyregion/10cnd-spitzer.html?_r=1

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JFKfanforever Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 06:28 PM
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23. Wow! Powerful stuff...
So, almost the very same day that this was published, the
Fibbies started watching his hotel room(s)?  Must have been a
coincidence, right?
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:16 PM
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5. Really, what he said was he did his job when he wasn't breaking the law.
Everything he said was beside the point. We know, and he knows, why he was impeached -- and it wasn't for getting women to have their breasts checked.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:16 PM
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6. Chicago had free public transportation
for senior citizens as far back as 1971. I know that because I was a social worker at the Jane Addams Center of Hull House, and my clients were on the Chicago Transit Authority at all hours of the day and night. They loved it.

When the CTA tried to limit their hours, we organized - thanks to the Saul Alinsky people, who helped me - and a busload of my dear, little old senior citizens went down to the Merchandise Mart, where the CTA offices were located, where they threw themselves down on the ground, blocking the entrance. I, of course, had notified all the local TV stations about what was going to take place and when.

CTA backed down and their free transportation remained intact.

That was when I decided to go to law school. Power of the people becomes power to the people if it's done properly.

So, if Blago is taking credit for that, maybe you might want to do some research on the matter. It's a lot of years since I was living there, but I do know how it was. Maybe free passes for seniors was halted sometime between when I was there and now, and maybe Blago brought it back.

I would, though, if I were you, take everything that guy says with a grain of salt. He's demonstrably nuts. Remember those taped phone conversations?
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:30 PM
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11. Yes - You've Been Gone Too Long.....
not only do we have CTA - we have RTA and Pace buses. My mother had to pay to use the system. Yes she was able to get a slightly reduced senior fare - but on a fixed income - even that was steep for someone that uses the system like she and many seniors do. When public transportation was looking for money from the state recently - because they can't efficiently run the system and make money - they are always crying for more ---- Blago said 'ok' I'll go along with it - but you have to give free transportation to the Seniors. They had a standoff and Blago and the seniors won.

Come back and visit us sometime. Chicago is a great city and we're getting a raw deal with this Blago incident.

I was down in Grant Park on Nov 4th - over 1/2 million people there - and it was like a party - no problems. We have great people in this city as well.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:37 PM
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14. Well, doesn't that suck?
Old Mayor Daley - the old man - knew how to run a city. It hummed when I lived there.

Good for Blago. If anyone should have free public transportation, it's our seniors.

Oh, I've always maintained that Chicago is the best city in America, without question. Best restaurants, incredible museums, great neighborhoods. I used to live in Lincoln Park, at the corner of Clark and Armitage, and ride my bike to classes down in Hyde Park. That was so lovely.

I watched Grant Park, of course, that night. It reminded me of the Bicentennial celebration here in the nation's capitol on July 4, 1976. I don't know how many people were down on the Mall that night for the fireworks - at least half a million, I'd say - and not one crime was reported during that time.

I hope that same kind of good will prevails here on January 20.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:16 PM
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7. i'm sure he has pretty good lawyers
if he's being framed, he will have a chance to make that case.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:22 PM
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8. It's awful..I'm right there with you..
I believe nothing.. Governor Siegleman faced similar charges. Even writers/journalists that I have admired for years, have become worthy of error. Logic..cause and effect. That's all I have. And in this case...???
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:33 PM
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12. I'm impressed with your thinking & it all seems very plausible to me.
Reading between the lines is almost a requirement in understanding why we're in an "up is down" world under Rethug rule.

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4 t 4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 06:02 PM
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21. I live in Illinois
and my sister and I have these talks all the time. Is he good or a complete farce ? He has done some outstanding things for this state and I still can't figure him out. He also passed health care for all children in the state regardless of insurance. The senior ride free program he passed. It was canceled years ago he got it passed again. It's like so many people hate him and some of the things I read are because he is helping people not corporations like the CTA was so pissed after the senior thing. Just don't know ,need to do much more research about him.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 09:58 PM
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24. Why did the feds wire-tap his phones in the first place?
And with his swift impeachment, you have to wonder if he stepped on someone's toes -- someone with lots of political clout. Only Rethugs seem to go for the jugular, while Democrats seem to want to "get along".
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 10:42 PM
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25. You're forgetting that he's been ...
... under investigation for corruption FOR THREE YEARS. Yes, his phone was tapped. He KNEW his phone was tapped.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 12:14 AM
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30. why has he been under investigation for 3 yrs? what supposedly was
the initial justification?
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 04:14 PM
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31. Yes, that's what I want to know: what set the wheels in motion.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 06:17 PM
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22. Blago has done alot of good things for Illinois. But the herd mentality is strong in this country.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 10:50 PM
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26. Blago was all about attacking Obama. I hope he walks.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 11:59 PM
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27. Kids have free health care Illinois. Seniors get free transportation. Illinois has a state
Edited on Sat Jan-10-09 12:02 AM by IsItJustMe
mandated minimum wage law that is one of the highest in the country. These are very definitly progressive ideals in action. He also took down some toll roads.

I don't think too many other states can show this.

I think people are just piling on because the msm has done it and people just want to see someone hang after the last 8 years. The problem is, even Democrats, want to hang the wrong people.
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bottomtheweaver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 12:06 AM
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28. He took down some toll roads?
Damn that guy has balls. Toll roads are big biz in California, and the more environmentally disastrous they are the more "support" they have, uh huh. Funny how that works.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 12:11 AM
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29. I think 95% are crooked & the only time they get caught is when they piss off someone
with more power, or have sex with a minor on national TV.

I have no problem believing B. is corrupt AND has done some good AND is being railroaded for reasons we "little people" will never know.
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