If you Are Not Christian You Are Going To Die says CO Gunman

[EV_Ares]

BOULDER — Derik Bonestroo's confrontation with fellow workers at Eldora Mountain Resort appeared to be a well-planned scheme to kill co-workers who were not Christian, according to investigators from the Boulder County Sheriff's Office.

Bonestroo's "demeanor and tactical style clothing" had all the indications that the 24-year-old Bonestroo carefully planned the face-to-face showdown, according to documents filed Wednesday in Boulder District Court.

One of the employees at the meeting, April Wilson, told investigators that Bonestroo walked in dressed in black, carrying a gun, and fired into the ceiling, according to the documents.

He then declared: "If you're not Christian, you're going to die," Wilson said.

Rest of story @ Link: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_11401013

[derby378]

1. Just fucking dandy

:mad:

[RagAss]

2. Why don't these pieces of shit just leave a note and blow their fucking brains out ?

[geckosfeet]

12. Why waste the paper?

[Realityhack]

13. So we know why so we won't accidentally feel bad. n/t

[donco6]

3. A little religion in the hands of a lunatic never ends well. n/t

[Mugweed]

26. Religion never ends well....period.

Please don't regale me with stories of charitable acts or any other warm-fuzzy bullshit. You don't need religion to know that helping your fellow man is necessary, or killing is wrong. Religion is just a way to divide, control, confuse. Stop with the primitive superstitions already! Grow up, humanity.

[anonymous171]

27. lol That is so unintentionally funny.

[Mugweed]

29. Spongebob icon and "grow up" in same post, maybe?

Not in on my own joke. How frustrating.

[Mugweed]

30. Calling other good deeds "warm-fuzzy bullshit"?

I meant any attempts to justify religion, not the good deeds themselves. Help! I'm funny and I don't know why!

[anonymous171]

32. You said that "religion never ends well"

So you used a blanket statement. Then you turn around and dismiss any exception to your generalization as "warm fuzzy bullshit." I'm not trying to start some kind of flame war or anything, just pointing out a small flaw in your statement.

[muntrv]

4. But..but only Muslims commit terrorism. Fox News says so.

:sarcasm:

[musette_sf]

5. i read this yesterday and

one of the articles said that:

Bonestroo asked the resort manager: "Are you a Christian?"

manager replied: "I'm a Catholic."

Bonestroo killed the manager.

sounds like one of those Hagee "Christians" to me.

[DevonRex]

6. Yep. Most fundamentalists don't believe Catholics are Christians.

They believe that Catholics are not born again, so they're aren't saved. And you're not a Christian unless you're saved, according to THEM.

[BR_Parkway]

7. When will Christians in this country stop being so persecuted?

Think SCOTUS would rule lions on a reality TV show would be cruel and unusual punishment for some of these folks?

Dial or text in each week to vote your favorite fundie to see if he can pray his way out of being prey?

[azmouse]

8. These people should commit suicide first and then see if they still

want to kill anyone else. Yeah, I know... but it would stop shit like this.

[alsame]

9. Who Would Jesus Kill?

[FiveGoodMen]

22. Most of his current followers if you read Mathew

[Sebastian Doyle]

42. Nah Jesus isn't saying that He would kill anybody.

He's just saying that when "followers" like that DO die, their elevator will only have a "down" button. :evilgrin:

[rrneck]

10. I'll bet there's

not a church in the country that would claim his murdering ass.

[walldude]

11. Yeah, none of them would want to admit that they breed this kind of

lunacy. Bad for business.

[undergroundpanther]

34. but church created his excuses

He was a sociopath,what he did was DELIBERATE and chosen.

[rucky]

14. I think that may be illegal. n/t

[XOKCowboy]

15. The guy was mentally ill. Christianity was his "crutch".

What passes for Christianity today put hate in his mind and he acted out on it. What little religious teaching I got in Sunday School before I stopped attending church stressed that God was all about loving your brother, taking care of the sick and needy and peace. Too bad he listened to Robertson/Hagee/Falwell, et al and embraced their type of Christianity.

[undergroundpanther]

20. NO he was NOT MENTALLY ILL

He was a TRUE BELIEVER type. A fanatic.A sheep in love with his hateful god..


Mentally ill people are not psychopaths because psychopaths know what they do is evil and they don't care.

The guy was a fanatic true believer,like someone in a CULT.Remember Jim Jones? Culties can kill in religious fervor.

For many people, the will to believe at times overrides the ability to think critically about the evidence for and against a belief.

"no amount of logic can shatter a faith consciously based on a lie."

The fanatic is perpetually incomplete and insecure. He cannot generate self-assurance out of his individual resources -- out of his rejected self -- but finds it only by clinging passionately to whatever support he happens to embrace. This passionate attachment is the essence of his blind devotion and religiosity, and he sees in it the source of all virtue and strength.... He easily sees himself as the supporter and defender of the holy cause to which he clings. And he is ready to sacrifice his life.

Hoffer also seemed to think that true believers want to give up all personal responsibility for their beliefs and actions. They want to be free of the burden of freedom.

http://skepdic.com/truebeliever.html

And Jail or a grave would give this true believer waving a gun around his heart's desire...

[XOKCowboy]

23. Actually he was mentally ill..

I live locally and have been following the story. Like you I have no sympathy for "true believers" but this guy was not one of those people. He was searching for guidance and found the wrong source.

[undergroundpanther]

25. Ummm you just said he was a true believer

You Said it right here "He was searching for guidance and found the wrong source."


Tell me what than, is the CORRECT source? Do you know? Is it christ,thoth or Buddha or ___?? Tell me, oh wise on what is the correct source?

There is no correct source!!


He was searching for guidance outside himself as if it could tell him how to be happy....hmm why did he think he needed to be guided? Was he insecure about guiding himself perhaps,wanted someone else to tell him how to do it, or do it for him to feel some relief through religious manufactured certainty? Was it like a drug fix, that without it, you just feel bad?
Sounds to me he was searching to relieve his inner uncertainty & insecurity..Seeking something to guide him,to lift his burdens(freedom and responsibility)from him..

You say,"He found the wrong source"..Yeah you can say that because you see the end results not the process that got him there,the hope that baited him in and the fear that locked him into that belief long before he ever considered shooting people.

Apparently he thought he had found the right source to feel certain enough about what 'god' wanted him to do,to threaten non-christians with a gun.
He was a TRUE believer.

Same thing happened with Jim Jones's cult they were all good normal people searching for guidance in times of trouble,and wound up finding the wrong source too.
And there were 1,000 people or so dead,and a senator and who knows how many children were poisoned by their own mothers,to please"god" and escape the wiles of "satan's minions" coming to get them.
They will never take responsibility for the crimes they did.

All cults and religions prey upon insecure and uncertain people burdened by life freedom and responsibility..seeking a way out..of how they feel,first comes hope than comes fear,fantasy and worse uncertainty fueling a catch 22 that drives true believers to defend the faith at any cost.

You are sympathetic to him,why? You a christian?

[XOKCowboy]

38. Nope

Just not as vindictive as you I guess.

[undergroundpanther]

40. It's not about vindictiveness

It's about how you don't like that I think he is a sociopath and say so here.
It upsets you that some people have NO conscience and they don't care or want to change .

[XOKCowboy]

46. No

I just think that you're wrong.

[undergroundpanther]

16. I wish someone

at that place this asshole worked at had a gun and took out that fundie asshole's kneecaps.It would have been a good deed done.
Because he would have ran right into a boundary you can't attempt to kill people for not being christians and expect those non-christians to not fight back.And the sting of humiliation and the fact he would be unable to walk incapacitates his ability to harm somewhat.

I hate fanatic christian nazi pigs. If they think winning the culture war THEY instigate every chance they get,means killing non -christians, it will cause a LOT of blowback.And for me FINALLY seeing these hateful, rabid,christian nazis sociopaths put in their place, a.k.a.jails and graves, would be just fine with me..They start the culture war,WE will end it and them.

[HarveyDarkey]

17. I guess it's not only abortion doctors now

They seem to be moving to the general population.

Retribution for the "War on christmas"?

[4 t 4]

19. He doesn't play very well with others, does he ? n/t

[MajorChode]

18. There's no nut like a religious nut

I always say.

[stuntcat]

43. exactly

serial killers and religious nuts are on the same level of dangerously insane.

[mitchum]

21. That's what happens when you talk with an imaginary friend

[EV_Ares]

24. I blame, Ann Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage and others like them that spread

hate and fear against liberals and democrats and the media that allows them to use them as a podium to do it. There are people like this character that takes this preaching of hate and fear and thinks he is doing the right thing to go out and eradicate it.

The stuff that Coulter and Limbaugh preach is dangerous for these kinds of people. I know most of the people don't absorb it to the extent that some as this guy do but it only takes one as in this case.

[Ichingcarpenter]

28. I read up on him and found he was not known to be religious

by his friends and family but was taking medication.

He butchered his own cat right before he went on his rampage and left the bloody remains
splattered all over his rented bedroom. I was trying to find
a connection to his religious beliefs but really don't see it.

Something snapped according to friends and family.

I used to ski at Eldora with my kids because I could get really cheap lift tickets.

[undergroundpanther]

33. Sociopath

Butchering animals is what alot of sociopaths do until they get the nerve to kill some people.

Some sociopaths hide this butchering habit for years from everyone.We all have read about serial killers that killed people,and hid the bodies for years and nobody else knew it.

So,it's not unusual for friends or family to be shocked to find out Johnny has been butchering puppies for kicks.Every stunned neighbor of a sociopath caught and a horrible crime in his home, says "Oh he was such a nice fellow, quiet,neat."So it is easy to assume they"snapped" No people don't snap and kill after mutilating animals first. Sorry. That fucker is a sociopath.He deserves NO pity.


Sociopaths know what they do is wrong,but they do it anyway because they don't care about anything but getting a rush for them self,creating a scene.Creating fame.They do it deliberately for the kicks.They live for the'most dangerous game'.Perpetually bored they kill..

Sociopathy is NOT a mental illness,It is an Axis 2 diagnosis.
That has NOTHING to do with psychosis.
or Trauma.

So do not lump other real mental illnesses and psychiatric injuries in with sociopaths. Because sociopathy is NOT a thought disorder.To say that it is mental illness is an ignorant solipsist claim ,you can't imagine doing it..but the sociopath can and DOES.

Retardation is not curable or the symptom
helped by drugs or therapy,so, it is NOT mental illness or psychiatric injury...Neither are sociopaths curable. A Sociopath is what the person IS.


Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern of the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken. And pretend that the concept of responsibility is unknown to you, except as a burden others seem to accept without question, like gullible fools. Now add to this strange fantasy the ability to conceal from other people that your psychological makeup is radically different from theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free is nearly effortless. You are not held back from any of your desires by guilt or shame, and you are never confronted by others for your cold-bloodedness. The ice water in your veins is so bizarre, so completely outside of their personal experience that they seldom even guess at your condition.
http://www.cix.co.uk/~klockstone/spath.htm

http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2008/07/28/after-the-sociopath-hard-learned-truths/

[Ichingcarpenter]

35. He had no record of cruelty to animals according

to friends and family and always treated the pet nicely
according to neighbors. They saw a change in behavior
in the last two months where he was withdrawn.

Look, I'm not saying he wasn't a sociopath but not willing to jump
to conclusions either.

[undergroundpanther]

39. sociopaths plan their kills for the effect

They will be friend an animal get it's trust and love than kill it.
They will show the imitative kindness to some others cruelty they play people to the hilt they mind fuck..

Whatever they need to do to get what they want.It's all a game.
Act depressed after the big show, for you are bored and want pity and to escape accountability.Hide the killing habits and be nice to animals in public so no one thinks YOU are why all the stray dogs and cats are missing.Changes in two months,..Either it's a brain tumor or the fucker is a psychopath.


They play a part so they can get what they want.
Once we trust someone,or think we know them the friendship becomes a blinder. And acts of cruelty can lie dormant for years,in sociopaths too.

[Bluebear]

31. You must have it wrong. Only Muslims would engage in this kind of terrorism.

:sarcasm:

[undergroundpanther]

36. I was chased by Christians with Knives before.

Because I wore a pentagram. I got away. But I bet the mothers of those thugs thought their darling sociopath kids were peachy.

So bullying and butchering animals is what alot of sociopaths do until they get the nerve to kill some people.

Some sociopaths hide this butchering habit for years from everyone.We all have read about serial killers that killed people,and hid the bodies for years and nobody else knew it.

So,it's not unusual for friends or family to be shocked to find out Johnny has been butchering puppies for kicks.Every stunned neighbor of a sociopath caught and a horrible crime in his home, says "Oh he was such a nice fellow, quiet,neat."So it is easy to assume they"snapped" No people don't snap like that and kill after he was mutilating animals first. Sorry. That fucker is a sociopath.He deserves NO pity.

Sociopaths know what they do is wrong,but they do it anyway because they don't care about anything but getting a rush for them self,creating a scene.Creating fame.They do it deliberately for the kicks.They live for the 'most dangerous game'.Perpetually bored and always seeking domination they kill..

Sociopath is NOT a mental illness,It is an Axis 2 diagnosis.
That has NOTHING to do with psychosis.
or Trauma.

Retardation is not curable or the symptom
helped by drugs or therapy,so, it is NOT mental illness or psychiatric injury...Neither are sociopaths curable. A Sociopath is what the person IS.

So do not lump other real mental illnesses and psychiatric injuries in with the sociopaths. Because sociopathy is NOT a thought disorder they know right from wrong and they don't give a shit..To say that sociopathy is a mental illness is an ignorant solipsist claim .Just because you can't imagine doing it..the sociopath can and DOES.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern of the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken. And pretend that the concept of responsibility is unknown to you, except as a burden others seem to accept without question, like gullible fools. Now add to this strange fantasy the ability to conceal from other people that your psychological makeup is radically different from theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free is nearly effortless. You are not held back from any of your desires by guilt or shame, and you are never confronted by others for your cold-bloodedness. The ice water in your veins is so bizarre, so completely outside of their personal experience that they seldom even guess at your condition.
http://www.cix.co.uk/~klockstone/spath.htm

http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2008/07/28/after-the-sociopath-hard-learned-truths/

[anonymous171]

37. lol Ironic considering that the Pentagram is also a Christian symbol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram#Christianity

[undergroundpanther]

41. It was used by constantine

But it was originally a non-christian symbol before he co opted it.

[anonymous171]

47. Of course. nt

[WillowTree]

44. I don't know how to break this to him...

....but we're all going to die, Christian or not.

[Fearless]

45. Uh-oh the Christians are immortal now?!?!

:wtf: