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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 12:01 AM
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Still think Prop 8 wasn't an issue of life or death
Think again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4inyujYvJoE&feature=related

Someone, somewhere, in California will die due to prop 8.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 12:05 AM
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1. If this won't get through to people, I don't know what will.
I know it won't get through to some people though :(
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 12:10 AM
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2. An inauthentic life poisons everything and everyone, whether it destroys itself or not.
Civil Rights are truly Pro-Life.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 12:22 AM
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3. K&R, There are other life and death issues as well....
Edited on Sat Jan-10-09 12:23 AM by AntiFascist
There's a Lifetime movie coming out Jan. 24th starring Sigourney Weaver. It should be required viewing.

http://www.prayersforbobby.com/

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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 02:43 PM
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11. Thank you for that link.


Wow, that is going to be huge. I agree, it should be required viewing.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 12:30 AM
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4. You're right - this is where this issue really hits home for many
We've had similar issues within my extended family - it's criminal. :(

At minimum there should be civil unions like we have in VT and now in my state of NH.
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Kixel Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 01:29 AM
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5. I don't understand
I never will. Love is love. Your spouse is dying...you want a family...you want to see your loved one in the hospital...

Everyone deserves to be able to embrace the happiness they find in love. I can not and will not ever be able to understand those who don't understand the blessing of love. If you find it, you should be allowed to live it.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 02:34 AM
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6. Do you think such insurance issues only affect gays??
Adult children, no matter how poor, aren't covered by their parents' insurance.

The insurance crisis is killing people in ALL walks of life.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 02:44 AM
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7. And that's a link we must take advantage of.
It's an easier stretch to convince conservative America to insure children. From there it isn't so much a stretch further. In for a little in for a lot.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 08:32 AM
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9. Seriously, What The Hell Is Wrong With You?
You're a self-professed lesbian who seems to exist for no other purpose than to appear on every gay thread and shriek, "gays don't have it any worse than anyone else!"

Either you're a lying troll, or you're so consumed with self-loathing that you can't see how miserable your life is.

Newsflash, lady: gays DO have it worse than anyone else. The point of the OP isn't that people die without health insurance. It's that gay people die BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET THE HEALTH INSURANCE THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN IF THEY COULD MARRY. The fact that other people die due to fucked-up insurance policiies doesn't lessen the outrage of gay discrimination one iota.

Please find another place to troll.
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 02:36 PM
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10. Yes, but it hits gays doubly hard
For the first 5 years of our daughter's life I was a stay at home mom. My spouse was insured at a place which offered family insurance. I was ineligible for coverage, because our marriage was not legally recognized. My insurance during that period consisted of a series of temporary insurance plans which had a $5,000 deductible and did not cover my own pre-existing conditions (the prior hospitalization for that condition cost ~$30,000 JUST for the hospital bill - physician costs, radiology, etc. were on top of that - but it was a choice between insurance which excluded coverage should the condition reassert itself and coverage which cost $15,000 a year). "My" daughter - who has a chronic illness - was not eligible for coverage under her second mother's policy because we were forbidden from creating a legal relationship between my spouse and "my" daughter.

In a few short years, my daughter will still face the new problem of being unable to obtain insurance because she is no longer eligible for coverage under my health care plan, and because she is uninsurable. It breaks my heart to tell her that unlike her healthy peers, she cannot afford to be a starving artist - she has to be practical and put her dreams aside because she cannot afford to go without insurance. She has $5000 in medical costs a year to cover - even if nothing goes wrong.

BUT - for the first 21 years of her life she was barred from insurance solely because of the refusal to grant legal recognition for her parents' marriage, while her peers with straight parents had access to insurance provided by either parent.
AND - at the time when we risked losing our home if my medical conditions reasserted themselves, the only barrier to insurance for either my spouse or I was the refusal to grant legal recognition of my marriage (and the laws that permit insurance companies to refuse to provide coverage to "domestic partners" even when the employer is willing to provide coverage).

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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 01:03 AM
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13. Absolutely. For-profit health insurance should be an oxymoron.
As it was for so many years, until the corporations rose up again. Stake and/or silver bullet, anyone?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 08:09 AM
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8. #13 recommend. 00 conservatives can have 'feeling's for other straight poor people
or any body else who isn't lgbtiq in these circumstances -- but not us or our children.

we are singled out in the mind of the consevative and they put that into action.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 02:50 PM
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12. K&R
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 01:13 AM
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14. Sorry, but gays are just gonna have to wait until we're ready.
At least according to some here on DU.

They don't want any of that "gay rights" talk to get in the way of their precious inaugural celebation.

...and any talk of a betrayal to the LGBT community will be smacked down with the "attacking Obama" meme.
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