About health care

[tama]

Let's start thinking from the basics. A benevolent health care system would reward (materially/socially/spiritually) caretakers for the HEALTH of the community and individuals - but the current private system makes as much more profit as much people are unhealthy.

[valerief]

1. But how do the insurance companies make big profits in a benevolent

health care system? After all, the welfare of the insurance corporate personhood is of the utmost value in our world.

How did people ever survive without money to keep them oppressed?

[tama]

2. Are we profit-machines

or are we humans?

[tama]

4. If latter

how to become a human, instead of just "legal person" or slave of a legal person? What would becoming a human being require?

[valerief]

9. Abolishing money. n/t

[tama]

10. Yup n/t

[leftstreet]

3. Corporations are People, Too!

:cry: :cry: :cry:

:hi:

[valerief]

8. No, they're persons, not people. Right? n/t

[MajorChode]

5. I'd rather go farther back to the basics

For any problem solving initiative, the best approach is to first identify the problem. Too often people focus on symptoms and not the problem itself, and so any solutions attempt to address only the symptom.

The basic problem I see it, is the US spends too much on health care and gets too little in return.

I don't see how that problem can be solved using more of a free market approach. Private companies have the motive of profit, not public health. That doesn't mean they are inherently evil, that's just the nature of the business. Very few people will buy a stock or a bond on the basis of the ethics of the company. As such it's not the fault that the corporations are the way they are, it's the fault of the people who invest in them and their motives for investment. That's why at least on the financial side, the free market approach almost always fails.

I like the approach the French have. It incorporates both public and private resources, has plenty of choice, a high satisfaction rate, and a low cost. It's hard to argue with what works when you have something that doesn't.

[tama]

7. We could go deeper

much deeper. In the treating symptoms instead of recognizing causes ordeal. The whole society is very very sick and ill. Living in alienated disharmony from the natural Whole, instead of living organically, like healthy organs of a human body. Of course this disharmony is reflected in individual diseases. Cancer is a social disease.

[patrice]

6. Yes! Why can't we reward HC givers for things like numbers of persons X numbers of steps walked?

pounds lost?
cavities not formed?
diabetes, or other, drugs un-necessary?

Would such people have lower insurance premiums than those who don't accomplish appropriate goals? or is that too punitive?