No cuts Line jumper and dad land in jail

[Project Grudge]

Source: Indianapolis Star

According to police reports, officer Kirby was off duty as he waited in Walmart's customer service line with his wife and daughter Sunday afternoon, and watched the younger Pluhar walk past him and directly to the service desk.

The police officer told Pluhar Jr. he needed to wait his turn, but the Frankfort man purportedly refused.

The elder Pluhar then allegedly approached the off-duty officer, told him to mind his own business and asked whether Kirby wanted to take the dispute outside.

Read more: http://www.indystar.com/article/20090113/NEWS02/901130385

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This is why I don't show at Wal-Mart. Anyone you cross could be a cop or a murderer. Looking at someone the wrong way could land you in the hospital at a Wal-Mart.

[orestes]

1. I hate Wal-Mart

But I can't make the jump from what happened here to a slam against them, or do murderers and cops not shop at anywhere but Wal-Mart?

[BuelahWitch]

4. Yeah this could happen in any store

What the OP left out was that the confrontation did continue in the parking lot. Seems "Me First" Jr. hit the off duty cop in the leg with his van.

[WriteDown]

2. Are you kidding?

This person deserves to be in jail. Asking someone to take it outside after you've just cut line?!?!?!?!

[bunnies]

3. Line cutting deserves jail?!

I hope you're kidding.

[BuelahWitch]

5. He didn't go to jail for line cutting

Read the rest of the article.

[bunnies]

9. I did.

Do you really think that if I called the police and said "someone just said they were going to kick my ass"... do you *really* think the police would come? HELL NO. And they sure as hell wouldnt be going to jail for it.

Its a joke.

[WriteDown]

13. So what do you propose?

He threatened a cop in broad daylight. The only reason he did that was that he "thought" he would get away with it. He was wrong.

[Javaman]

21. I guess you missed the part where the assholes said they were going to shoot him. nt

[NutmegYankee]

50. No - The father hit the cop with the van.

Battery is a physical act. Assault is verbal. The father got charged with battery.

[FailureToCommunicate]

6. Maybe shopping at Wal-Mart deserves jail...

[bunnies]

11. You might be onto something there!

:hi:

[ZombieHorde]

58. Poor single mothers should be in jail for shopping at wal-mart!!11!!

That will show those sluts how we do it!!1

[danalytical]

8. Why not? At Least a Ticket..

Have you ever been stepped on like that? Why is it OK for people to just take, take, take? I say ticket them, but I wouldn't expect a cop to actually have to address calls about it through dispatch, just if witnessed. Maybe it would send a message to the jerks out there that it isn't OK to act like a total assh*le in public.

[bunnies]

10. Over line cutting?!?!

Yeah. Lets have "rudeness" tickets now. :rofl:

[danalytical]

12. Yeah that's right, call it provoking a scene

Call it inciting an argument. In all honesty though, I bet there are fights all the time because of crap like that.

[NashVegas]

19. Or Giving Someone Enough Rope To Hang Themselves

Which I don't have a problem with, personally.

[NutmegYankee]

51. It wasn't the rudeness

it was the threats to the police officer that were disorderly conduct or disturbing the peace not to mention assault.


Hitting the cop with the car just sealed the deal with an arrest.

[sharp_stick]

15. Perhaps not jail

but I think a swift kick in the nuts would be a valid response to these tools.


The play continues:
"Do you want to step outside" Whoooomp.... "Naw it's cold out, I think I'll just watch you're old ass writh on the floor awhile while I patiently wait my turn."

[frylock]

27. that is indeed the proper response

[petronius]

35. That is the appropriate response, but I doubt it's available to a cop,

off-duty or not, unless that cop wants to end up in a bunch of trouble. One of us could deliver the nut-boot, but the cop has to let it play out more formally...

[MADem]

22. Battery on a police officer does, though. You need to click the link.

I think it was a righteous bust. Charming family values from these fucking assholes. It looks like daddy passed on his boorish and bullying behavior to his son. I'm glad the cop didn't let them get away with it:

Edward R. Pluhar Jr., 26, was preliminarily charged with battery on police officer Chris Kirby, while his father, 61-year-old Edward R. Pluhar Sr., was preliminarily charged with criminal recklessness with a vehicle and intimidation.....The elder Pluhar then allegedly approached the off-duty officer, told him to mind his own business and asked whether Kirby wanted to take the dispute outside.

When Kirby asked Pluhar Sr. what his intentions were, the Frankfort man purportedly said he would kick Kirby's posterior and also suggested he might shoot him.

Kirby then informed the father and son that he was a police officer and called emergency dispatchers to send an on-duty officer to the scene.

The Pluhars then left the store, at 4801 W. Clara Lane, with Kirby following them to the parking lot and then standing behind their van as they attempted to leave.

The van, driven by the elder Pluhar, allegedly hit the officer's leg. Kirby and the younger Pluhar then fought, reports said.

Patrol officers Kevin Durbin and Jess Neal then arrived and arrested the father and son without incident.

Sounds like the bullies were real "brave" until they realized they had threatened not a poor ordinary citizen, but a policeman who could make them accountable for their behavior. At that point, they decided to high-tail it. I have to wonder how many other people were bullied by these jerks in the past.

[Rebubula]

23. Yes...

...and then some.

I am not kidding. At least not too much.

Talking in theaters, cutting in line, not using turn signal, not returning carts to store - all jailable offenses in my fantasy world.

On a serious note - if this guy was willing to beat up a cop, he would most likely smack anyone (and probably does from time to time) and deserves some punishment. I have zero tolerance for asshole bullies in this world OR the people that apologize for them.

[JeanGrey]

29. I can't believe this stuff. Talk about a grown up pissing

contest. Lord save me....................

[mrreowwr_kittty]

31. Threatening someone with violence does. nt

[BoneDaddy]

32. Are you retarded or just play one on t.v.

He assaulted a cop, you ignorant tool

[slutticus]

48. Yes.

"You know, we're living in a society!"
-- George Costanza

[John Q. Citizen]

20. bush deserves jail more than this guy.

We have money to put this guy in jail?

[awoke_in_2003]

25. Sure he does...

but do we just excuse people hitting other people with their vehicles? If he did this to someone identified himself as a cop, what would he do to someone else?

[John Q. Citizen]

26. Well, until bush is in jail, yes. The law doesn't matter. unless you are poor.

[awoke_in_2003]

36. Well, hate to break it to you...

but Bush will NEVER go to jail. If he gets investigated count it as lucky.

[dysfunctional press]

44. he didn't cut in line- the clrk had waved him to the front...

the kid had already been to the service desk to do an exchange, and the clerk had told him to get what he wanted and come back to the desk. the cop had no right to hassle the kid for his actions- if he had a problem with another customer- he should go to the store manager, not starta confrontation over a situation he doesn't have all the facts over.

[Jokerman]

7. Oh crap! That's my home town.

If you EVER see me back there you know I fucked up real good.

[Project Grudge]

14. Oh, Indiana

I'm from Southern Indiana and I know just northeast of Indy isn't that much better. Kudos for getting out.

[RoccoR5955]

16. Cop/Murderer.... sometimes one in the same... n/t

[BoneDaddy]

33. From the depths of stupidity I hear your small voice

I love liberals who hear cop and assume guilty yet will defend the most aggregious criminals.

[Lautremont]

17. THAT TOUCH OF PLUHAR.

[kiranon]

18. Don't like bullies, don't like line jumpers consider them one and the same.

Unless they had a reason to jump the line - they were there before and the clerk said to come back up to the counter - they need to wait like everyone else - unless waiting in line is "just for the little people" - a take on Leona Helmsly's comment about those who pay taxes.

If I have one of my kids with me (ages 9 and 10), I'll say out loud to my kids that they should not do what the person just did - jump the line. Sometimes that embarrasses them and sometimes they just give us a dirty look but more often than not they just ignore us and continue on ahead of us in line.

[Edweird]

24. Sooo, your problem is not with the violent bully thug father/son tag team, but that they got caught.

Peculiar perspective.

[JeanGrey]

28. All involved here are idiots. Sometimes it scares me to

see how low we've stooped.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

30. Why is the cop an idiot?

[JeanGrey]

38. Because he escalated a situation and it wasn't necessary.

He didn't have to go outside and stand behind the guy's van. Once the cop told him who he was they TRIED TO LEAVE. It should've been left at that.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

39. After they threatened to shoot him.

Regardless everyone is entitled to their opinion.

David

[JeanGrey]

40. So what? Blustering. Pissing contest. From both.

This is how we fill up our prisons to ridiculous amounts and people get killed.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

52. So a cop should have let someone who threatened to shoot him just leave?

[JeanGrey]

53. YES. He obviously was just blustering. And he tried to leave.

Instead we can create two more worse criminals in the system.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

56. Okay.

We'll just have to disagree, take care.

David

[JeanGrey]

57. I guess you haven't read the "other side of the story".

I knew there was more to this than a crusading cop.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

59. I'll be happy to read it, do you have a link.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

55. Okay.

We'll just have to disagree, take care.

David

[dysfunctional press]

45. because the clerk had waved the kid to the front of the line, for one thing.

if ANY customer in a store has a problem with another customer- they should go to the store manager, NOT start a confrontation.

dumb-shit the cop SHOULD have known better- but that whole authority trip is a hard one to let go of-even when you're off duty, i guess. :shrug:

[L0oniX]

34. DeathMart n/t

[TexasObserver]

37. Sounds ok to me. Assholes who jump in line are a public menace.

And line jumpers who threaten those who call them on it need to be arrested.

[dysfunctional press]

46. he didn't jump the line- the clerk waved him to the front.

people who "call them on it" should try to have all the facts first, and go to the store manager second. it's usually not the best course of action to start a confrontation.

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41. More to the story...

Pluhar Sr., however, gave a different version of events leading up to his arrest.

"There's a lot more to the story," he said.

He said his son had waited in line for 25 minutes once and been sent by a clerk to exchange an item. When he returned, Pluhar Sr. said the clerk waved his son to the front of the line, and Kirby objected.

He said his son tried to explain the situation, but Kirby insulted him, at which point Pluhar Sr. asked Kirby to step outside but Kirby laughed at him. Pluhar Sr. also denied Kirby's claim that the older man threatened to shoot him. He said he and his son tried to walk away from the confrontation, but Kirby followed them outside.

Pluhar Sr. said Kirby never identified himself as a police officer and he only found out he was an officer from other police at the scene.

"What I did was wrong, but that doesn't make what he did right," Pluhar said.

http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-articles/news/2009/Jan/line_cutting_arrest_walmart.html;jsessionid=B2BEED837A8A3C53A1B8416A4EB3AC69

From personal experience, I've seen this situation many times... mistaken belief that the person is cutting in line, but in reality has been given "permission" by a store employee. Same thing for times where I've waited in line for a length of time, but for one reason or another had to come back and was told beforehand to just come right back to the counter (it happens).

[dysfunctional press]

42. i was wondering if that was the case...it turns out the cop was the only asshole present.

nt

[JeanGrey]

54. I knew it. I really hate it that I used to like cops. Now most of

them are menaces..............

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

60. I'm sure there were plenty of witnesses, let's see what the final outcome is.

I'm sure it will be widely publicized.

David

[NYC_SKP]

43. Walmarts now have hospitals?

"Looking at someone the wrong way could land you in the hospital at a Wal-Mart."

OH NOES!!! :rofl:

[devilgrrl]

47. Let me ask everybody something.

Who gives a rat's ass?

As if this kind of thing hasn't happened before. :eyes:

This belongs on a police blotter, it's not national news or worthy of debate.

[NutmegYankee]

49. Police work well done!

Bullies and threats of physical violence should not be tolerated. The father just couldn't behave.