House Session:Iraq War: (includes phased withdrawal)Live on C-SPAN

[Solly Mack]

link

If anyone wants to listen in...

Steny Hoyer is speaking now.

[Solly Mack]

1. Hoyer: "Will we change directions or will we stay the course with a losing policy"

"4 years of abdication is enough. It is time, my fellow members, for Congress to assert our support for the troops"

[Buttercup McToots]

38. The Bastard is up...

somebody hit him, please...

[Terri S]

93. OH.. we lost Vietnam because Congress cut the funding!! OH... lol!!

oops... wrong place.. should have been at the end responding to Johnson.... sorry!

[Solly Mack]

2. Rattling of names of those who voted for a time-line when Clinton

was in office (Kosovo)

Names of the GOP who demanded a time-line when conditions were far better than they are in iraq...yet they won't vote for one now?

time lines were supported in 1997 by the GOP

only 2 GOP voted against the time-line then

The GOP voted for a time-line when the US was winning but won't vote for one now when the US is obviously not winning under the conditions that exist now

[Cassandra]

3. He's doing good work here...

and showing more passion than I thought he had in him. Lots of applause afterwards.

[Solly Mack]

4. He made some excellent points

[capi888]

16. Hoyer was great.....

He made the remark about the GOP wanting a timeline, in a war we were winning and did NOT LOSE ONE SOLDIER! oh I forgot, they were against the Kosovo War!!!
Hoyer is great, he is a great speaker for the American People...wow

[Solly Mack]

5. Royce - "micromanaging a war " is damaging to the troops

quoting the Washington Times

snicker

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

6. They wouldn't let Dennis Kucinich speak his views earlier. Something about not being able to reach

him last night. I think that is awful.

Also. Do you think it looks good to have earmarks in this bill? I think this will be blowback to the Dems in 2008.

[Solly Mack]

7. Earmarks will be used against them, yes

but that is kinda to be expected....all things considered.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

11. I wonder if they would have had enough votes without them. nt

[Solly Mack]

15. Probably not...no free lunches and all that

and, sadly, few things are done because they are the right thing to do...

[mmonk]

64. Is there a rule he can't speak?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

86. I believe that Obey said that they were going to recognize 3 Dems who want to withdraw

right now and that Dennis couldn't be reached so he wasn't one of them. I came on the tail end, but pretty sure that's what happened.

[mmonk]

96. OK. Too bad. Maybe he'll put his thoughts on his website.

[LSK]

8. so this is the 4 hour debate right?

[Solly Mack]

10. Not sure, actually. Just tuned in a few minutes ago

[Solly Mack]

9. Franks basically spouting that they'll follow us home line

against a phased withdrawal

[LSK]

12. well they are good swimmers

:sarcasm:

[Solly Mack]

17. Obviously.....an entire nation of Olympic power swimmers

who knew?

[EST]

41. Well, some, at least.

I recall the time when some rogues threw some Iraqi teenagers into the river, shortly after the US entered Baghdad, and those poor fellows didn't do too well. I guess it's the insurgents who are the good swimmers.

[LSK]

13. links to the Bill

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=438643&mesg_id=438643

[Solly Mack]

14. Obey speaking

Wants members to consider the impact of their vote on "the people" - how it will affect them (troops,the nation at large, people in other nations)

Speaking how they can continue to be a rubber stamp on Bush's policies and doing what he wants and how he wants it...or we can be the COngress we were designed to be and move policy direction into a more constructive direction for the country

Speaking on who is losing money because of rubber-stamping Bush's every whim...Katrina victims, poverty/school programs, healthcare programs etc.

[LSK]

18. Murtha up

If you vote against this bill you vote against troops health care.

[Solly Mack]

20. That was good...

Go ahead...vote against those troops at Walter Reed...

[LSK]

21. ive been trying to tell people on DU that but some wont listen here

[Solly Mack]

23. I have a great appreciation for words and their power

though I don't always agree with how both are used

[Solly Mack]

19. Obey : Gentleman is entitled to his own opinion but he is not entitled to his own facts"

smacking down a republican

[Cassandra]

33. No tropical fish...

in Lake Erie.

[Solly Mack]

22. Murtha on the readiness of troops

"Now we have only 2 units in the US in full readiness"

"If you vote against this, you vote against troops readiness"

[Solly Mack]

24. Murtha is doing good at throwing their lip service back into their faces

and his framing is beautiful...

It helps that he is speaking a lot of truth

[LSK]

25. oh yeah!

:popcorn:

[Buttercup McToots]

29. WOW

The passion...the tears...

[Terri S]

26. HooWeeeee!!!! Go Murtha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[babylonsister]

27. Murtha is rockin' and rollin'! To applause, no less! nt

[pinto]

34. Standing O at his conclusion and the acting Speaker let it roll for a while.

Ya gotta love it.

:kick:

[WinkyDink]

44. We may have Specter, but we also have MURTHA! :)

[IWantAChange]

28. Repuke's have anything besides the tired old talking points?? Murtha is GRRRREAT

[youthere]

30. Oh my gosh he's going to make me cry!

[LSK]

31. wow, did he almost break up there at the end???

He really really cares about this, doesnt he?

[youthere]

32. Yes he does. He really does.

[Cassandra]

36. He was fantastic.

Unfortunately, repukes have no hearts.

[youthere]

45. Tonights Faux headline:

"MURTHA HAS MELT DOWN ON HOUSE FLOOR"

[IWantAChange]

35. Rep Lewis (soon to be in huge trouble I hope) speaking on the floor is an affront to Democracy

[LSK]

37. he calls building Levies in New Orleans as wasteful pork

:grr: :grr:

:nuke:

[Buttercup McToots]

40. Yup

somebody is gonna hit him...
Why is he in jail?

[Cassandra]

39. I think he considers the Pentagon...

his personal ATM.

[LSK]

42. the boner speaks

[Solly Mack]

43. (Jerry) Lewis speaking now

"Huge amount of pork"

LMAO

WOW

A republican talking against "pork"

LMAO

Now who could ever anticipate a Congress person attaching "pork" to a bill?

Goodness knows those sainted republicans would never do such a thing

Now he is speaking on Congressional Democrats claiming to have a mandate...legislating bills around elections cycles...

It's all about the pork...

[EST]

51. I keep wondering why it is that no democratic speakers have

brought up some of the trillions in republiclown pork of the last few years, particularly the "bridge to nowhere" which, incidentally is being built, right now. I suppose that tar brush might color too many on both sides.

[Solly Mack]

61. Excellent example - that should be brought up

[Solly Mack]

46. Baaaayyy nuuuur is speaking ...s-l-o-w-l-y

Cause slow makes stupid sound smart doncha know?

[WinkyDink]

47. OMG. Boehner saying we "didn't have the will" to win Viet Nam!!

TEN YEARS; 55,000 lives!!

And did he mention it was REAGAN who placed those 241 Marines as sitting ducks in Beirut? Noooooooo.

This is a COLOSSAL FOOL!! "What message does it send?"

OMG2!!!
Claiming there was Congressional DEBATE (can't he look it up? Read some HISTORY??) as to whether we should've shirked from fighting in the WWII Pacific Theatre. That there were moments in WWII when we weren't winning (and they would be?). Heh. Caught himself praising FDR! Hahahahahaha!!!!

[Solly Mack]

50. They are recycling it all

corrupt president, unpopular/losing war and same old talking points to place the blame

[LSK]

52. yep, I heard this crap for 3 years now

And it still enrages me to no end.

:grr:

[Solly Mack]

48. Islamic terrorism! Islamic terrorism! Islamic terrorism!

Islamic terrorism and pork! Islamic terrorism and pork!

2 primary talking points by the GOP

[LSK]

49. comparing it to World War 2????

:wtf:

[shadowknows69]

53. I'm becoming ill listening to Boner

n/t

[shadowknows69]

55. Is failure an option?

No, it's reality. Please join it with us.

[Solly Mack]

54. Well, we won that one...LOL So they look to that as how

it is supposed to be...and they point to Vietnam to place the blame

[shadowknows69]

60. Boner even played the Israel card

These morons are the authors of our eventual destruction. It is their actions that will cause Islamic extremeists to attack us even harder next time.

[WinkyDink]

68. I'd be careful about saying "pork" in that same phrase....Hee.

[Solly Mack]

85. Yeah...I snickered too

lolol

[youthere]

56. Oh yes...invoke the old "We're fighting them there...."meme..

If they wanted to "fight us here" they would have while we are engaged "over there"

[Solly Mack]

57. "Terrorists will come here and find us on the streets of America"

Guess that will put a damper on all that shopping Bush wants us to do

[youthere]

59. ...

:spray:

[WinkyDink]

58. EXTENDED APPLAUSE for Boehner. WHAT the bloody HELL??

[Cameron27]

62. No f**king kidding...

Who ARE these people?:wtf:

[LSK]

63. Obey explains part of the funding is for cleaning up asbestos in the Capital tunnels

Boner made fun of it as pork.

[shadowknows69]

66. Murphy is up, should be good.

n/t

[youthere]

65. "Lead.Folllow or get out of the way."

Precisely.

[Terri S]

67. You tell em Patrick!!!!!

[shadowknows69]

70. I'm crying along with you Patrick

This is a leader.

[LSK]

71. this is the Iraq vet who just got elected right?

[youthere]

69. "With this bill we mark the end of that error" LOL

[youthere]

72. "Your taunts about supporting our troops ring hollow" Oh I LOVE this guy.

[LSK]

77. awesome!

[Cameron27]

73. Your taunts ring hollow

[Solly Mack]

74. Murphy is making some direct hit comments

[Skidmore]

75. Pennsylvania Dems, ya' done good electing this man.

Kudos.

Glad to have come back from running errands to be greeted by this man on my teevee.

[Skidmore]

78. Dragging out ole Sam Johnson.

[Cameron27]

76. Big applause :-)

[LSK]

79. the house can be great fun during times like this

[shadowknows69]

82. Yeah, in a kind of "all of our fates hang on these people's actions" fun.

eom

[JackBeck]

80. The House has been a lot of fun to watch

since the Dems took over.

[LSK]

Sam Johnson to list more red herrings

[Terri S]

81. ooo yeah... look at this graph.... can we spell 'hypocrite'????

http://preview.tinyurl.com/2tscl8

[Solly Mack]

83. Johnson sharing with us the talking points we've heard from the rest

of the GOP speakers


So, coffee break!

[Cameron27]

84. Johnson's getting all awe shucks and folksy...

[rodeodance]

87. lots of clapping fro Patr. Murphy. vet (earlier for Murtha).

[LSK]

88. would someone tell Johnson about the civil war going on over there???

[Solly Mack]

89. It's hard to hear when your ears are covered by your colon

[shadowknows69]

91. What?

uh, it was the Rumsferatu military that was shorting our troops and a Republican congress.

[Solly Mack]

106. Yep!

[youthere]

95. ...

:spray:

that's twice now Solly Mack..you owe me a monitor!

[Solly Mack]

100. Sorry! :)

LOL

[rodeodance]

90. a repug talking mockingly of Popeye and Mr. Peanut. shameful.

[Cameron27]

92. He's actually using Vietnam to back up Iraq.

[shadowknows69]

94. Isn't that kind of like

consulting Jeffery Dahmer to write a cookbook?

[shadowknows69]

107. We're the invaders!!!

It's not a loss you dolt (even though it is) it's a strategic withdrawal from a bad situation. Will someone at least throw a Sun Tzu book at these idiots?

[LSK]

98. surrendering to who? who the fuck is the enemy???

ITS A CIVIL FUCKING WAR!!!

:grr: :grr:

:nuke:

[LSK]

102. the marines never quit??? WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MISSION???

MARINES CAN CONVINCE SUNNIS AND SHITTES TO LOVE EACH OTHER?!?!!?!?

[Solly Mack]

103. The GOP has been for a long while now

spinning the history

They really believe Vietnam could have been won if we had "just stayed the course"

and the people had not "lost the will"

[Solly Mack]

97. Uh, Westmoreland got relieved...just saying

and Abrams took over...and then Abrams took a "clear and hold" strategy... the same as Petraeus' "clear, hold and build " strategy



Johnson is full of shit

[youthere]

99. "...so we can vote our conscience.." As if.

[Terri S]

101. dear lord.... I'm going to barf!

[youthere]

104. Pelosi now..Let's see what she has to say.

[LSK]

105. Speaker Pelosi up now

[SharonRB]

108. Go, Nancy, go!

She has so much class.

[LSK]

110. Shes killing them with kindness

[rodeodance]

109. I will start # 2 thread

[youthere]

111. "This war is a GROTESQUE mistake." Good one.

[WinkyDink]

112. Still, it's been a big crime against humanity to boost Halliburton fortunes.

to grab Iraqi oil, and remain a permanent presence there. THAT mission is accomplished.

We did what Bin-laden wanted: to get out of Saudi Arabia. We did what Cheney wanted: to get a pipeline through Afghanistan to the Caspian Sea.

No, Nancy; it isn't "a grotesque mistake"; it is a GROTESQUE CRIME.

[youthere]

113. Oh I love that she's using their words against them.

[youthere]

114. waste. fraud. abuse. incompetence. Keep throwing out those words Nancy....

let them resonate.

[Solly Mack]

115. Having this thread locked, please see new thread 2.

[Fenris]

116. Locking.

:hi: