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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 06:41 PM
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A Retired Republican is about to learn the lessons of the free market.
The hard way.

Ouch. You can feel the fear.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2166048/posts

DOES ANYONE HERE KNOW DETAILS ABOUT THE NORTEL BANKRUPTCY?
January 16,2009

Posted on 16 January 2009 23:18:07 by greyfoxx39

Sorry for the vanity, but FR is the best source around for information on just about everything in the universe.

Can anyone tell me what the ramifications of the Nortel bankruptcy will be on retirees? Will the pension and healthcare benefits be lost?

I used to believe that the pensions were sacrosanct, but have discovered that in this atmosphere, only the salaries of the top CEOs are untouchable.
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 06:42 PM
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1. Nothing is sacrosanct in Friedmanism!
Learn to love the shit you helped create, freepers.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 06:49 PM
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2. Freeper attacking CEOs that's rich.
Get a Job bum! Pensions are for freeloaders!

Too bad the information on Freeperville is so out of touch it's a universe of info onto itself.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 06:56 PM
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4. I do a bit of reading there
and they're plenty pissed about the bailouts. They don't mind a corporate muckety-muck making megamillions, but they do hate it when he does so while driving the company into the ground.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 06:54 PM
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3. Guess he's going to learn about that socialistic entity- the PBGC
http://www.pbgc.gov/workers-retirees/benefits-information/content/page13181.html

So yep- part of his pension is likely toast- and health care?

He'll get what he DESERVES.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 08:27 PM
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8. Nortel is a Canadian company
Don't know if their U.S. employees would still be covered.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 08:44 PM
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9. You're right- I hadn't thought of that
Guess our freeper friend had best be paying attention to the Canadian press:

Nortel pension fears mount

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/571953
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 07:01 PM
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5. You're a retiree Freeper? Go out and get a fucking job!
Why does he expect to be able to suck on somebody else's teat for a pension and healthcare? Really, as a Freeper, he should know that it's his duty to work until he drops dead.
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Leftest Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 07:41 AM
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13. No, no that's wrong
He doesn't think its his duty to work until he drops dead. He thinks its YOUR duty to work until you drop dead.

;)
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 07:37 PM
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6. "FR is the best source around for information on just about everything in the universe"
You lost me at this statement.

Maybe the best source for laughs and total complete utter lies and insensitive remarks.

But "information"???? Maybe if you want to be misinformed.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 07:34 AM
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12. That be what the freep posted, not ukfordems.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 07:58 PM
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7. Someone should send them an application to become a Walmart greeter
:evilgrin:
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 07:29 AM
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11. He can enjoy all the health care benefits he campaigned for
from that wonderful example of a Rethug company.

Losing your pensions and your health care is one thing, having to work in to your 80s to pay fpr the most basic of health care is definitely something else; however because as a Freeper he supported that as policy IT SERVES HIM RIGHT.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 08:57 PM
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10. "FR is the best source around for information on just about everything in the universe"
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 08:17 AM
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14. One of them quoted long words just to tell him
that the policies he syupported means he is fucked.
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To: greyfoxx39
Here's some information from : http://www.moneyandmarkets.com It's not about Nortel specifially, but there's some interesting stuff on pension funds. Pension funding picture deteriorates dramatically …

Then there’s the dismal picture for the nation’s pension funds.

States, corporations, municipalities … they’ve all promised benefits to retirees based on assumptions about the returns for various asset classes. But those returns are being blown to smithereens, causing funding shortfalls of epic proportions.

The PBGC is $11 billion in the red. And with so many companies in bankruptcy, it may need a government bailout to rescue failed pension plans.

The PBGC is $11 billion in the red. And with so many companies in bankruptcy, it may need a government bailout to rescue failed pension plans.

The consulting firm Mercer recently estimated that the pension funds of big U.S. companies are underfunded to the tune of $409 BILLION! At the end of 2007, they were running a $60 billion surplus. That huge swing could drive up corporate borrowing costs and drive down corporate earnings.

It could also lead to reduced business investment as companies are forced to divert money from equipment and facilities budgets to their pension funds. Advisory firm Watson Wyatt recently estimated that U.S. corporations will have to boost pension fund contributions to $111.2 billion in 2009 from $50.5 billion last year.

Now it’s true that the government-backed Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC) insures the basic benefits for more than 29,000 plans. But with so many companies falling into bankruptcy these days, it’s increasingly likely the insurance premiums the PBGC receives won’t be enough to cover its obligations.

The agency was already running a deficit of more than $11 billion as of September 30. And that number is poised to rocket higher.

Result: Yet ANOTHER black hole the government will have to fill somehow, either by bailing out the PBGC or bailing out corporations.

So at this point, I think it’s reasonable to ask three simple questions …

1. Can the government continue its policy of bailing out anyone and everyone?

2. Can the Fed and Treasury afford to keep filling black hole after black hole, without a heck of a lot to show for it … except more black holes? Heck, even the black holes they thought they had filled are opening up again! Just look at Bank of America. The firm got a whopping $25 BILLION in bailout money several weeks ago, and now it’s back in Washington begging for billions more!

3. At what point are policymakers just going to have to give up and let more banks fail, more companies fail, and more asset markets trade down to where they are going to go anyway, rather than waste hundreds of billions of dollars trying to retard the process?

Some food for thought the next time you hear yet another speech out of Washington promising the sun, the moon, and the stars — if only we bail out (fill in the blank).

Until next time, Mike

About Money and Markets For more information and archived issues, visit http://www.moneyandmarkets.com
10 posted on 17 January 2009 01:05:04 by GOPJ ("A consensus of 100 scientists is undone by one fact." - - Einstein (take that Al Gore))
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