6 year old dies at monster truck show-Tacoma, Washington

[norepubsin08]

A six year old boy and his father were hit by flying debris that fell off of a monster truck at the monster truck show held in the Tacoma Dome Dome. The debris hit the father and the boy. The father is still in critical condition and the boy passed away in Tacoma hospital this morning.

I was watching the news report of this and listened to the interviews of the crowd that was there. It seemed to be a Sarah Palin type crowd...not very educated, and almost undoubtedly conservative low information type voters.

IMHO this type of entertainment to me is waste. Both of resources to make these vehicles and the cost and use of the gas to run them. It needs to stop...stuff like this needs to be outlawed...the city should be ashamed of itself for the letting the show continue and the producer needs to be held criminally liable for negligence.

[tabatha]

1. I agree.

This is the low of the low of human vehicular activity.

[Skittles]

2. not sure you should stereotype like that

I work in the city with people with masters degrees who love those monster jams

[Supply Side Jesus]

13. There's never stereotyping around these parts!

[hendo]

15. yeah, we would never stereotype here

thats only something that mindless idiots do.
:roll:

[Jamastiene]

25. Agreed. n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

39. There are also people with masters degrees that work WITHIN the industry.

I bet you could find at least one in just about every aspect of that particular genre of motorsports. From design to fabrication to planning to marketing to everything else.

[maseman]

134. I shoot professional fireworks shows

and many have been in rural towns throughout North Carolina. I am sure many of the confederate flag-waving losers at my firework shows are die-hard pubs who do not vote progressive. But none of them deserve to die if I have an accident. Many people think fireworks are a waste of time and money yet hundreds of thousands flock to see them throughout the year. (not me. I just like shooting them. Couldn't care less about going to someone else's show.)

[Old and In the Way]

3. Just awful for that family.

It's not my idea of entertainment, but no one goes to a show expecting to die. Someone could die from a baseball line drive...I'd hate to see us cancel baseball because of such an incident.

[Mind_your_head]

7. That's how I see it too. Awful for that family to be sure, but there is

some risk to everything.

It sounds like this was a very freak accident (just like getting hit with with a baseball at a major game would be, as you point out).

People can't stop LIVING, experiencing, learning, knowing things without some risk. Life is 'risky'.

[norepubsin08]

31. some things are riskier than others...

most who get hit with a baseball survive...they don't die like this poor child did!

[patrice]

4. There should be somekind of polution tax.

I don't buy the SP stereotype.

But this activity is completely absurdly repulsively ir-responsible.

[norepubsin08]

37. Have you ever listened to what most of these folks say

when you talk with them politically? I leafleted outside of one of these against the Iraq War once and the abuse I took from these people was incredible and I'm pretty thick skinned. I ran for US Congress and had been tested by fire, and also dished out quite a bit myself...but it was unreal the things people said to me, not to mention getting spit on several times!

[vadawg]

45. yeah so i guess the kid deserved it

he would only have grown up to be a republican anyway. unfreakinbelievable

[patrice]

65. Strawman.

Even if there were someone or two crazy enough to think that, Democrats are quite autonomous, so they do their own thinking.

Welcome to DU vadawg. :hi:

[norepubsin08]

68. I didn't say the kid desreved it...I don't feel that way at all

what I did say was that I feel these kind of shows are worthless and the vast majority of people at them don't vote at all in a progressive manner

[biopowertoday]

5. This is a horrible thing to have happened but to

lump all viewers as "Palin types" is wrong and broadbrushing to the extreme.

[vadawg]

6. unfrackingbelievable

A child dies and you take the time to masturbate over the fact that in your opinion its a waste of time and resources and only simple dumb folk could possibly like monster trucks. UNFRACKINGBELIEVABLE

[navarth]

8. It is for idiots...but

with a 6-year old dead, best not to talk about that. The dead kid is the thing. It's a tragedy.

[tkmorris]

9. Outlawed? Seriously?

Is it wasteful? Sure. So is professional football. Serves no purpose except entertainment, but then, that's all monster trucks do too.

Now it may be that there needs to be greater safety regulations put into place to protect spectators. It is also possible that this incident was so freakish that it could not reasonably have been prevented. I don't know. What I DO know is that telling people what they can and can't do, what they are supposed and not supposed to like, is where Democrats often lose potential voters who otherwise agree with most of our agenda.

[byrok]

11. Perfectly stated.

[Jamastiene]

24. Agreed. n/t

[12string]

28. absolutely correct

I get tired of people suggesting more nanny laws.Never been to one myself but I thought in America you had rights to the pursuit of happiness.get a grip ,you sound like a pub.

[norepubsin08]

30. In these economic times

yes outlawed..we're always whining about wasting gas..yes just think what that could save...same with NASCAR...also if you went to that show and ran a poll as to how many are conservatives...it would come out very high..why give the enemy the chance to congregate and affirm itself?

[JANdad]

42. The "enemy"

Do you have any idea how absurd you sound. The "Enemy" you write about, like it or not are your fellow Americans. It is the Limbaugh's' and the Hannitys' of this world that characterize fellow citizens as "enemies"...not progressives....sheesh

[norepubsin08]

44. In politics...you go for the win

very rarely do you get to set the agenda when you lose...part of the problem the Democrats have had these past eight years is they haven't fought fire with fire...Obama was lucky to win being the nice guy we was and all during the campaign...yes I believe he had superior ideas, but that doesn't matter to the majority for low information voters out there....what counts for them is the win! What happened with Obama this time around was that he fell into a made for campaign...things couldn't have been easier...a fucked up war, the market going to hell three weeks before the election and an idiot for a VP pick on the opposing ticket... As far as setting an agenda, I experienced this myself I ran for US Congress, got 42% of the vote but didn't win...therefore very little of what I asked for was implemented (other than forcing our congress critter to vote to close the School of the America's)...it takes a win to get that...short of cheating or doing something illegal anything you can do to diminish the opposition is fair game.

[vadawg]

47. i think the enemy you speak of is in the mirror

i believe that there are pieces of paper somewhere that give even your enemies the right to congregate and believe it or not even your enemies have the right of free speech.

[friendly_iconoclast]

55. "the enemy the chance to congregate"? =Classist, fascist, and a touch paranoid

Tell the truth, you're really Richard Nixon's head, aren't you?

This thread would be gold for the right-wingers if they ever found out about it...

[razors edge]

109. Just think of what we could save if

we stopped funding the arts. Stop wasting tax dollars on museums and those starving artist types.

At least the NASCAR and monster truck shows are privately funded, and paying in to the tax base, unlike the drain on our resources from the non productive art lovers.

Hell, I bet even the guy who welded the body of the truck that flew apart had a job that paid into our tax base.

Really now.


:sarcasm: I think.

[norepubsin08]

142. Excuse me NASCAR isn't JUST private funded

here in the Puget Sound when NASCAR came into Bremerton....they wanted to have us the taxpayers build a road to the track and also tax the region for the "priveledge" of having them here!

[razors edge]

148. You say they wanted you to fund it.

Does that mean it was not funded with tax money?

I work in the road building business, and unless that road was twenty miles of four lane, you would have recouped the money in taxes of tickets, T-shirts and hot dogs many times over in a very short time. You know all those buildings that go up around a race track, they are built by American workers, for the most part, and those people pay taxes, unless they don't work in which case they take tax money in the form of welfare and medicaid.

Don't get me wrong, I support the arts and have no problem with my taxes paying for them for the most part, but neither I nor any of my working class friends have the time nor the inclination to go to either the ballpark or the museum, but we all sure as hell pay for them in our local taxes.

If I ever did go to a NASCAR event or baseball game you can bet your ass I would pay more in taxes on my beer for the trip than a ticket to the museum costs to begin with.

[Codeine]

135. Douchebaggery.

Go away.

[sendero]

125. I agree..

... the idea of "outlawing" something like that just plays into every stereotype of Dems there is. Outlaw it. Laughable.

[bevoette]

139. fuckin a (nm)

[bigwillq]

10. There are dangers in almost every

leisure activity.

Have you been to a shopping mall lately? :shrug: A dangerous place.

[norepubsin08]

34. No hate malls...just a rampant display of the

greedy consumerism and blind capitalism that has partly gotten this nation to the place where it is today.

[Warpy]

12. It was an ACCIDENT

No, this stuff doesn't blow my hair back, either, but I have friends with kids and those kids love all the noise and craziness of these things. Kids love circuses and monster truck rallies are just another type of circus featuring machines instead of acrobats.

Unless someone can prove that the truck failed a safety check, it's going to remain what it is: a tragic accident.

[norepubsin08]

29. try negligence on the part of the truck owner, show producer,

driver and maker of the truck..should have never happened.

[Warpy]

110. Unless regular safety checks had been skipped

there's not a chance in hell it will be more than a "pay me a pittance to make it go away" lawsuit success.

I hate to break it to you, but hideous accidents can still happen when people do all the right things.

It's why we call them accidents.

[mucifer]

14. Very sad that it happened. Your post is very classist and offensive.

[norepubsin08]

32. did you ever go to a monster truck show and hear

what a lot of these types of assholes were saying about progressives and liberals? I leafleted against the Iraq War at one of these and the abuse I took was overwhelming....save for a very few, I encountered nothing but a bunch ignorant bastards.

[vadawg]

48. you know the reason they gave you abuse

is probuably just your personality, hell i think of myself as a Dem and with these posts on this thread alone i think id more than give you abuse if this is how you talk to people.

[norepubsin08]

67. when I campaign

I am extremely polite....I never argue with somebody who's pitching me abuse..this was my job at the time and I am a totally different person when I am campaigning or performing...absolutely (in fact over polite) it was the issue...the Iraq War at that moment had a 91% approval rating and all the red-necks felt free to show their true selves

[TwilightGardener]

70. Maybe they "abused" you because you were fucking accosting them

at an entertainment venue. Maybe people just don't want to hear your shit, no matter how righteous.

[norepubsin08]

71. this was held at the Tacoma Dome

designated by the courts as a campaign zone as it is owned by the taxpayers. We (all 64 of us that campaigned there) received the same treatment and each of us were over polite!

[TwilightGardener]

76. Just because you have the RIGHT to distribute leaflets, protest,

approach people, whatever--doesn't mean they WELCOME you, no matter what you have to say. I avoid freaks who hand me pamphlets and start chatting with me about their "causes" too--even if it's something I agree with. Because, I don't want to be fucking bothered when I'm with my family and going to a fun public event.

[norepubsin08]

81. I too have done that...however I treat people campaigning

with the utmost respect because I know how hard it is to campaign...I don't heap profane verbal abuse on them or spit on them or call them unAmerican because they disagree with my position...in public and to their face, I am as polite as can be. I also recognize the right in our constitution about peaceful protest, assembly, free speech and petition, specially when done on public property and sanctioned via a court case by the State Supreme Court. (We took a mall case to the Washington State Supreme Court and won 9-0 on this very issue) (also a political yard sign case dealing with political speech)

[mudesi]

85. The "cause" here being WAR

I wonder if you'd have a different opinion if it was your child in Iraq.

I guess not. It's "too much of a bother". Other people dying is no concern of yours when you're at a fun public event.

[TwilightGardener]

88. You might have missed that little Air Force avatar. I think about war

quite a bit, being married to a career military officer. Especially when he's deployed. I also hate being confronted by strangers about almost any topic when I'm out in public. That's just the way it is.

[norepubsin08]

93. off subject-do you have a wiener dog?

I grew up mostly in Germany and lived in apartments...had a wiener dog that lived to be 20!

[TwilightGardener]

96. Yep--have a wiener puppy. Our last wiener died in October, only

made it to six. Hope our current one makes it to twenty--that was one long-lived dachshund.

[norepubsin08]

98. he was pampered and spoiled as can be

very hearty dog...we traveled a lot and the dog knew commands in 3 languages...he was very cool and very smart...was totally gray by the time he died. Now my son has our wiener dog...this one (Frodo) is the most mello one I have ever seen and he gets along with cats, ferrets, chinchillas and other critters that my son has. His original owner was a crack whore and he was on the streets of Tacoma and was rescued by us when his "mom"went to jail.

[norepubsin08]

92. good for you

That's what annoyed me the most with the people at the show when we leafleted about the war, it's that their precious entertainment couldn't be bothered by an interruption of information about death and destruction.

[norepubsin08]

86. You don't want to bothered?

Politics is always with you...the sooner children learn that the sooner they will take notice instead of just going along. These types of events are the best way to reach lots of people fast. It's people who "don't want to be bothered" that let things happen by inattention. All of life is politics, ask anybody who runs for serious political office....it's part of everything and affects all that happens to you. For example...my dad died in the Vietnam War...that's just one way how politics affects your whole life!!!

[LanternWaste]

141. We laugh and abuse people who come to our door proselytizing for various faiths

We laugh at and verbally abuse people who come to our own doors proselytizing for various faiths. I really don't see why we would expect anything differently when we go to a public arena and proselytize our secular faiths-- in the end it's the same thing, we're forcing our beliefs down the throats of other people...

[mudesi]

83. Maybe they should send their children to Iraq

I can't believe you're condoning the abuse norepubsin08 took for trying to stop the unjustified killing of American troops and Iraqi civilians in an illegal war here on a so called liberal website.

I guess the monster truck show is much more important.

[TwilightGardener]

87. LOL! There are people who obviously don't understand the phrase

"time and place for everything". When you accost innocent spectators for ANY reason, they will not necessarily be welcoming or friendly, no matter how much they might agree with the essential argument. You can't judge an entire audience, politically or otherwise, by the reaction to having pamphlets shoved in their faces when they're obviously not thinking about serious life and death topics.

[norepubsin08]

100. First of all, we didn't shove pamplets in their face

I have campaigned for 26 years winning lots and losing some...I insist that those I lead are over polite and never encroaching...part of the problem was that this was two days after the war started...but it still left a taste in my mind...we went to a symphony and did the same thing-totally different response...you do the comparing between the two types of audiences.

[mudesi]

107. Maybe that's the problem with Americans

We're not talking about some cultist trying to convert someone to their religion or a political party campaigning for votes here. We're talking about the deaths of millions of people. We're talking about something that half the population supported in the beginning because they didn't get that people die in war.

I wonder what it would take for Americans to wake up. Does another country have to drop bombs on the houses of innocents before people understand the implications of their apathy? Did people learn anything on 9/11, when almost 3000 people were murdered by a madman? That day is the life of an Iraqi every day now. It's the life of a Palestinian every day. It's the life of countless of people around the globe who have to live through war.

So excuse me if I'm disgusted by the idea that people can't take 3 seconds to look at a leaflet while they're watching a monster truck rally. Perhaps the reactions of those people represent everything that is wrong with America.

"Time and place" for everything indeed. Some people in the world don't have that luxury.

[norepubsin08]

143. THANK YOU!!!!

[norepubsin08]

94. thank you-my point exactly

having experienced the death of a parent directly due to war...I take it very seriously and wished everyone else would do too...even over their enjoyment at a monster truck show

[petronius]

108. But why would you assume that people don't take something seriously just

because they don't want to talk about it at the precise moment that you want to talk about it? No matter how serious an issue is - even life-or-death serious - nobody is thinking about it and acting on it 24-7. Personally, I divide up my time into a lot of activities, some of them quite frivolous, and I get irritated when someone suggests that I should interrupt whatever I'm doing to focus on the issue that they're currently focusing on or else I'm a bad person.

That said, spitting, shoving and verbal abuse is unacceptable public behavior toward someone who merely holds out a leaflet...

(Edit for spelling - who knew "wy" would make it past the spellchecker?)

[norepubsin08]

115. when people are dying in a war

no time to talk about it or take action on it is the wrong time..I lost my father to a war and my mom was seriously injured in another

[petronius]

117. Perhaps I expressed myself badly - I'm not saying you were wrong to leaflet

and demonstrate, I'm saying it's wrong to to condemn someone else simply because they choose to do something else at a particular time rather than focusing on what you want them to. I've often noticed, and I deplore, a certain self-centered arrogance in some protesters in that they expect everyone else to drop what they're doing and pay attention simply because the protester has decided that a particular place/moment is a good time to talk about issue xyz.

As a specific example: right now I'm watching a football game and drinking some beers. If you showed up at my door right now to talk about the wars, as much as I oppose them I would tell you I was busy. I might suggest a different time for the conversation, but right now I have other interests. Does that make me a bad person (like these monster truck fans) in your opinion?

[norepubsin08]

122. coming to your door is quite different than

campaigning in the "public square"

[petronius]

126. If you are campaigning in the public square, and someone chooses not to engage

with your message because they are doing something else at the time, does that make them a bad person?

I ask because you seem to be condemning those truck fans who chose not to talk/listen to you, simply because they were more interested in the truck event at that particular moment.

[norepubsin08]

127. No I am not condemning them for not listening to me

I am condemning them for the manner in which I was spit upon, and verbally abused. I do feel though that the ending of a war takes priority over some one's fun at a truck event

[ogneopasno]

116. Y'know, I abuse protesters I don't agree with, too. And I'm a liberal. I'm sure I've been branded

an ignorant bitch myself, but sometimes that's what you get when you protest.

[hendo]

16. reminds me of a Dane Cook sketch. NT

[lumberjack_jeff]

17. The bigoted stereotypes make this post so much more valuable.

thanks! :thumbsup:

[Iggo]

18. I know, huh.

I laughed so hard I almost spilled my latte while I was riding in the back of my limo on the way to get yet ANOTHER abortion!

Oh, wait. I'm a guy. But still...

[deaniac21]

19. Rock shows too. Totally wastefull and dangerous.

[Name removed]

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[MsKandice01]

21. We've taken my son to two Monster Jams so far...

He loves it. He's always been into cars and once he saw monster trucks on TV for the first time, he was hooked. There are some of us progressive, educated types who would take their children to events such as these.

What a tragic thing to happen to that boy and his family. I'm really amazed that the debris flew so far. They always cordon off the section of the stands closest to the track for that very reason.

[Norwood]

22. Sad for the family, but the OP is pretty lame

Monster truck shows, Nascar, etc. are definitely not my thing, in fact I hate them with a fiery passion. However, to say it needs to be outlawed because of this incident and the waste of resources is just plain stupid. Almost too stupid to even dignify with any type of response other than one of these :eyes: Yet here I am responding because I'm bored and have nothing else to do.

You could make the case that all professional sports are a waste of resources, after all how do they travel? In planes, team buses, etc. Uses up just as much if not more gasoline than racing sports.

[norepubsin08]

33. I agree, I wouldn't care a bit if they got rid

of all professional sports (inspite of my love for pro baseball and college football)..because of the use of gas...however sports in which the use of fuel is predicated as being a direct component of the activity is even worse.

[MindPilot]

105. So you would be perfectly ok with destroying millions of livelihoods and careers

to save some oil?

Now THAT is some seriously progressive thinking!
:eyes:

[Codeine]

136. The amount of gas being used

in a MonsterJam is infinitesimal compared to the amount used across the nation daily. A drop in the ocean.

You're a fascist. Fuck off.

[Name removed]

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[Mind_your_head]

26. you might have edited for spelling.....but your grammar is lacking..... eom

[JANdad]

27. Hee Hee...thxs

[norepubsin08]

36. what have you done for the progressive cause lately

[JANdad]

41. What I have done or have not done

Has no bearing on this particular issue. The simple fact of the matter is a little child has dies in a terrible accident and you take it as an opportunity to broadbrush and stereotype people simply on their choices of entertainment. Now, if you are the Christian that you profess to be, then I am sure that you have encountered in your Church, little guys that are enamoured with big trucks...

To add further injury to insult, I would venture to guess that this little guy and his parents were very excited to be at this event simply from the joy that he was getting...but you have to ruin the memory...

[norepubsin08]

43. My Christianity has nothing to do with how I do my job

it happens to be a very successful project...in fact last fall we had 5.86 million participants in one online event we held, we have had lots of in person events and have moved the city to a more liberal political position...my function isn't with the Christian part of this project, it is with the political...as long as the events that I put on are successful, (which by my employers standards have been) then I have done my job!

[spoony]

50. The OP is a peculiar one

Works at a church, but hates Christmas. Loathes the audience of this event, but is willing to simultaneously loathe them AND demand they be avenged with lawsuits and legislation. Quite odd.

[vadawg]

52. i think theres something not right about them

spent to much time playing sim city or something and now is seeing squares everywhere.

[norepubsin08]

82. My spiritual life has nothing to do with Christmas

I have seen fundies screw up Christianity by trying to squash the freedom from religion...my spirituality and the congregation I belong to doesn't believe in that...it is what we door for the poor, homeless and hungry and what we do for the stopping of war that counts...nothing else

[vadawg]

49. hell more than you just by keeping my mouth shut

you have got to be the most sanctimonious and know everything dude on these boards, i cant believe you are attacking a child who died and his family just because they dont fit into your idea of whats acceptable.

[XOKCowboy]

51. Welcome to DU - Excellent reply

I have a friend whose kids used to love going to Monster Jam. He's the most liberal person I know and has almost 10000 posts on DU. This guy in WA very well could be just like my friend.

[norepubsin08]

74. If you read the post closely

I didn't attack the child...I attacked the activity and the mind set of a lot of the adults that go these type of events

[Hanse]

35. ...

[Yukari Yakumo]

38. All I can say...

[shadowknows69]

40. This is the reason I haven't gone to the races since I was about 10

I had a friend who was killed in similar fashion at a local dirt race track. Regular race though not monster trucks.

[XOKCowboy]

46. Do you think they should be banned?

Sorry about your friend but in light of that tragedy do you think that races should be banned? That's the part of the OP that bothered me most.

[shadowknows69]

56. The main reason I'd be for banning the sport would be the energy waste

And continued spewing of greenhouse gases into the air for recreation. As far as the tragedies, and we've had a couple other than my friend at our local tracks over the years, shit can happen just about anywhere. Maybe that sounds cold. I didn't stop enjoying racing because I was scared of it as much as it just reminded me of my friend, tracks should be doing whatever is necessary to make sure these horrible accidents NEVER happen again. If they lapse in that responsibility they should be shut down. That make any sense? It's early in the morning coffee cycle lol.

[norepubsin08]

73. Good for you...that's my whole point!!!

While I feel deeply for the familiy's loss...this also brings up a perfect time to discuss the waste of such an event...with out a big news issue, nobody pays any attention

[Statistical]

99. Not really....

You must have realized that 100x as much energy is "wasted" and 100x as much greenhouse gases are emitted from PEOPLE DRIVING to the event than the actual event.

How much energy does a football game use?
How much energy to heat/cool/light/amplify a theater/opera house?

Are you in favor of banning ALL forms of entertainment or just ones you dislike?
Since when did controlling choice become a progressive idea.

As far as preventing deaths.....
how many children die at Monster Truck events in one year?
1? 3? maybe 5?

how many children die from drowning? 768
how many children die from drowning in a pool? 360

You could "save" 300x as many children by banning pools then by banning Monster Trucks.

No nothing about your post is logical. Your thought process is
"I am in favor of banning things I don't like."

That doesn't make you a progressive it makes you a fascist.

BTW: I have never been to a Monster Truck Rally, Nascar, or any other "race event". I likely never will and I consider them wasteful and stupid. On the other hand I am not enough of a fascist to think my opinion alone is reason to ban something.

[pokerfan]

53. a few years ago a 13-year-old girl died after getting hit with a puck at a hockey game

Should we ban the NHL?

[Cid_B]

60. It promotes violence and testosterone and aggression

All things that we are told are bad bad bad and should be coaxed out of the youth of the world as early as possible.

*wheres that damn sarcasm tag*

[pokerfan]

114. It's also a waste of fuel and energy

Heating such large buildings. Freezing and maintaining the playing surface. Flying the teams all around the country. Ban it! :sarcasm:

[Cid_B]

138. I would fill out the paperwork to ban it but...

I'm waiting for the digital version. Stay green! ;)

[alphafemale]

54. You want to ban....what? Because of...what?

Not able to quote you exactly maybe, but you don't want to

"allow people of that mind-set to congregate"

:wtf:

That is some seriously twisted thinking.

[Vinca]

57. It's a totally mindless activity to participate in, but this was a freak accident.

Horrible things happen to totally innocent people and that's just the way it goes. Very sad.

[aikoaiko]

58. I'm ashamed of the way you speak about the victims of this accident.

shame.

[Cid_B]

59. Right.. like no one ever...

ever broke their neck falling down a hill while picking blueberries for peace or passed out from fumes from the tiedye mix.

Jeez... get off your high horse before you fall off.

[ThomWV]

61. The only shows that need to be banned in this country are Gun Shows.

Gun shows where buying and selling is allowed. I don't mind the exhibition of firearms and display of new models and that sort of thing but to open up ad hoc supermarkets of firearms (many with pistols as door prizes) where checks are either nonexistent or scant should be stopped.

[aikoaiko]

63. At the gun shows I visit, almost all the tables are FFLs who do NICS

A few tables of nonFFL vendors have a few guns. And the new owners of guns that get raffled off all get NICS checked. There's no supermarket of guns that can be bought with NICS checks by me. YMMV.

[Statistical]

101. Have you even been to a gunshow?

All dealers are required to perform NCIS check just like they do at a retail gun shop.
Private parties (i.e. you selling a gun you no longer want/need) don't. Just like they don't if they sold the weapon at a private residence.

The FBI considers gunshows to be a non-issue because 0.7% of criminals obtained a weapon from a gunshow.

I guess you have been spending to much time reading Republican talking points (Brady Campaign = Republican founded).

[notadmblnd]

62. I guess you could say that for all sports

so let's get rid of hockey, football, baseball and basketball too. After all, fatal accidents can occur there too.

[HooptieWagon]

79. A teenage girl near Tampa was brutally raped and beaten

when she was dropping off books at the library. I'm waiting for OP to call for the closing of libraries....

... and dancing. Might slip and fall, or twist an ankle. Must ban dancing.

We definately need self-appointed sanctimonious people to tell us what we are supposed to find enjoyable or entertaining. That will convince more people to be progressive... ( :sarcasm: , for those few DUers that insist on taking everything literally )

[WolverineDG]

64. And yet we wonder why conservatives think we're elitist snobs

:eyes:

dg

[CANDO]

66. Immediately reminded me of a similar incident some 20 years ago.

A kid was killed at the Bloomsburg Fair (PA) by part of a fan blade from the radiator fan which flew off a demolition derby car. It hit him in the neck and severed his carotid artery. Tragic. Imagine trying to stem the flow of blood gushing from your child's neck. Horrifying to say the least.

[TwilightGardener]

69. Hey now, my husband and I took our boys to a monster truck show

when we lived in Tampa. Gravedigger won! Good clean American fun--not my taste, but little boys LOVE that shit. This was just a sad freak accident, not something that should stir up social/political commentary.

[Deja Q]

77. I should have read your obviously freeper troll response before I posted mine.

:P

(You are 100% on the money; more than right-wing robot followers go to those events, and an accident does not mean willful negligence on the part of the stadium owner... if anything, the owner of the truck that fell apart has the problem...)

[TwilightGardener]

84. If I were to ban any form of kid-geared entertainment, first to go would be

anything "On Ice!" Like Ice Capades (not sure if that's still around). Also, the "Sesame Street Live"-type shows. Not because they're dangerous to the audience, but because of the sheer stupidity--I'll take cars getting crushed by big trucks, and flying motorcycles, and Evil Knievel stunts any day over that boring nonsense. But, I'm generous...I'll allow them to exist. Until a flying skate blade hurts somebody, and then it's all over.

[lonestarnot]

72. Why are there so many stupid people? Why?

[Deja Q]

75. Who's to judge what's right and what is not?

:sarcasm:


In seriousness: There is a difference between "negligence" and "an accident".

And, BTW, some liberals might like to go to these things too. (I too think it's an all out waste of the human potential, but I am not going to make a buttbrained blanket generalization about the people who like go to those events...)

[norepubsin08]

78. Several things

When I was a child I would have loved this event also, but then I didn't have to worry about the economy, greenhouse gasses, gas prices etc. Second...just by the fact that the producers refused to say when the truck was last checked completely, tells me they probably weren't keeping up on it 100% With an inherent possibily dangerous activity, that to me is negligence

[dysfunctional press]

80. people have been seriously injured by broken bats and foul-balls...

i guess that major-league baseball is out, too. :shrug: (no big loss there, imho)

[norepubsin08]

90. I'm with you

I love pro baseball and college football...however, I would love to see them eradicated....if we spent the same amount of public money on the poor and mass transit than we do for greedy sports teams owners and stadiums, we would be a lot better off. Also most sports builds aggression in people, it's designed to "beat" some one or an opposing team!

[marketcrazy1]

95. from the OP

""I was watching the news report of this and listened to the interviews of the crowd that was there. It seemed to be a Sarah Palin type crowd...not very educated, and almost undoubtedly conservative low information type voters."" -- every time I read an OP like this i get a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach, THIS is how some of my fellow Americans actually think!!!! THIS is how we see each other!! VERY sad!!!

[gollygee]

89. My husband and daughter have gone to these shows

Very liberal, well educated. They go with friends who are also liberal and well educated.

It's a terrible tragedy and I feel awful for the family. :(

And unfortunately, people get hurt at lots of events and doing lots of activities.

[jobycom]

91. Asshole. People get killed at NFL games, MLB games, NCAA games.

Kids drown at swim meets and die during varsity football games. People die in bars all the time, so lets ban those.

Any time you find yourself insulting groups of people--"sarah palin crowd...not very educated, and almost undoubtedly conservative low information type voters"--you've established yourself as a bigot. The rest is noise that you shouldn't make.

Tragic accident. Grieving needs to be done, lessons need to be learned. But if you ban every type event where people wind up getting killed, you're going to be sitting home alone in the dark--without movies, btw, because people get killed making those, and making dams to power your bigoted house. Don't use someone else's worst possible nightmare to justify your own bigoted hatred.

[DS1]

97. I had to put my Douchebag meter in the shop after reading that

I'll send you the invoice

[spoony]

118. Lol, best post of the thread

[AlCzervik]

102. a 6 year old is dead and you're using it to launch a screed on an event you don't like, stay classy.

[MindPilot]

103. I would expect that the OP eschews any technological advancements

resulting from motorsports. You know like any form of transportation without a dray anamal.

[opiate69]

104. Local link:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/front/topphoto/story/597894.html

Tragic..

[AngryAmish]

106. Things will be better on Tuesday

[NoPasaran]

111. "Sarah Palin type crowd"?

What, they could see Russia from their back yards?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

112. What A Completely Moronic OP.

Thoughts and prayers go out to the family. What a tragedy.

[Odin2005]

113. I have an idea, let ban ALL entertainment because it wasteful!!!

If you are not working and are having fun you are being wasteful, can't allow that! :sarcasm:

And the classists in this thread can go straight to Hell.

[cynatnite]

119. Somebody fell out of a ferris wheel and we know only stupid people ride those...

Let's ban ferris wheels :sarcasm:

[CRF450]

120. Their are some here including me who are involved in motorsports.

And I take offense to your OP. I have a motocross dirtbike that I ride every chance I get, it burns gas no faster than a Honda Civic, so is it a waste of recources? Thats up to you to decide but some of us like a hobby and sport to enjoy and choose not to be just limited to kicking or throwing a ball around or some other boring kind of activity. Sure most of the people I'm around at the track or strait up repubs but come on, they're regular people just like you and me trying to enjoy life.

[CRF450]

121. One other thing,your concern over the fuel use in motorsports...

Shut the fuck up and get over it! The fuel used in motorsports and recreation is a drop in the bucket compared to what we as whole use on a daily basis for driving to and from work, or to the store. To ban a sport over something like this is shear stupidity and ignorance. Where did those good brakes and tires on your car originate from?

[DS1]

123. I would suspect that UPS uses more fuel in 1 second faster

than an entire monster truck show. Or, the first 5 seconds of a 747 taking off uses more.

[CRF450]

129. I was a driver helper for them a couple times.

Those delivery trucks get around 6mpg. I saw a thread a couple months ago showing a UPS truck thats using hydrolic pumps to deliver power to the wheels. Pretty cool and efficient concept!

[varkam]

124. Liability? Four Words: Assumption of the risk

Ain't gonna happen.

[bvar22]

128. I have a better idea.

Lets SHUT DOWN the suburbs !!!!!!
Force everyone to move into the city.

When I lived in Minneapolis (very Blue), the ring suburbs always voted Republican.
Michele Bachmann is from a ring suburb of Minneapolis.
The "emeny" congregates in The Suburbs!
We should just SHUT THEM DOWN!

AND
Think how much gas that would save.
Nascar + Monster Truck X 1000 = less than a drop when compared to the gas wasted by Americans commuting from the suburbs.

:think:

I'm ON to something here, folks!
I went to the suburbs once, and only idiots and Republicans live there.

[CRF450]

130. You forgot the sarcasm tags

[bvar22]

144. Sarcasm?

I made an honest proposal.

[proud2BlibKansan]

131. How sad

I agree that entertainment is not my thing but I would want to know how many accidents there are before I would say ban it.

So is this accident a common thing?

[PM Martin]

132. I agree.

This "entertainment" is a great waste of resources.

[Qanisqineq]

133. While I can't stand monster truck shows

or even car racing, there is no reason to stereotype and attack the people that do like this form of entertainment. Your OP is just ugly. It reeks of classism.

While I agree with your statement, "this type of entertainment to me is waste", I think outlawing them is a little extreme.

[Codeine]

137. Fascist bullshit. nt

[Lagomorph]

140. That County, and the two adjacent counties...

all voted heavily for Obama.

[norepubsin08]

147. sure did but that was because of the large cities in them

if you look at the rural vote...it wasn't good!

[Lagomorph]

149. But, what is your point?

I don't get it.

[lame54]

145. let's find something you really love and outlaw it

[The2ndWheel]

146. When energy is cheap and available to everyone,

there will be a way found to use it. If our economy didn't waste energy, we wouldn't have an economy.