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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 10:56 AM
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WOW! Laura Rozen: HUNG OUT TO DRY-National-Security Press Dug Up The Dirt, But Congress Wilted
Edited on Thu Jan-22-09 10:58 AM by kpete
Hung Out to Dry

The national-security press dug up the dirt, but Congress wilted

By Laura Rozen


In November and December 2005, The Washington Post and The New York Times published two groundbreaking national-security stories that revealed controversial and possibly illegal behavior by the Bush administration in its conduct of the “war on terror.” In November 2005, the Post published Dana Priest’s piece about a previously undisclosed, CIA-run, overseas prison network for off-the-books terror suspects where “enhanced interrogation techniques,” including waterboarding, were employed. Six weeks later, in December 2005, the Times ran James Risen and Eric Lichtblau’s story on the Bush administration’s secret authorization of the National Security Agency to monitor some domestic-to-international telephone and electronic communications and mine communications transactional data without a court warrant. Both stories received the Pulitzer Prize. Both stories were decried by the Bush White House as irresponsible and even unpatriotic for revealing sensitive government programs whose exposure, it said, would compromise the government’s ability to fight terrorism. And both stories prompted expressions of concern about the policies from some members of Congress, giving rise to the expectation that, as in the past, the revelations of controversial and possibly illegal government programs would lead to congressional investigations and a public accounting.

But that didn’t happen.

Congress did not hold extensive public hearings on the black-site prisons, torture, or the domestic-spying program. Instead, there was a smattering of public hearings, some closed hearings, extensive stonewalling by Bush officials of Congress’s requests for documents and administration testimony on the legal decisions authorizing the programs, and vows from the administration to hunt down the journalists’ sources for the stories. “Compare the current situation to the famous front-page story in 1974 on domestic surveillance,” notes Steven Aftergood, a government-secrecy expert at the Federation of American Scientists. “It led to the establishment of the Church committee, a classic in-depth investigation. By contrast, the Times’s NSA article has led to lawsuits that have been stymied by claims of state secrets and congressional steps to grant immunity to industry participants. Meantime, many of the most basic questions about the surveillance program have gone unanswered: How broad was the surveillance? What number of U.S. citizens were swept up in it? What has been done with the information gathered?”

Ultimately, Congress caved, sanctioning slightly modified versions of the domestic-surveillance program and passing laws that effectively preserved the administration’s right to have the CIA employ harsh interrogation techniques that are prohibited under international law. While there were a few fulminations on some liberal blogs that congressional Democrats (including then-Senator Barack Obama) had voted with the majority of Republicans to pass the new foreign intelligence surveillance law that gave retroactive immunity to the telecommunication companies, by and large the public didn’t seem terribly interested in the issue. For the majority of Americans, the issues of government-authorized torture and domestic spying seemed to fall off the radar, and it was hard not to sense that the Democrats, ever afraid of being portrayed by the White House as soft on terrorism, were just as relieved as the Republicans to see the issues go away.

more (curiouser and curiouser)at:
http://www.cjr.org/transparency/hung_out_to_dry_1.php?page=all
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:06 AM
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1. You have to wonder how warrentless wiretapping intimadated Congress.
These guys obviously were spying on 2 classes of Americans even before 9/11 - the media and Congressional Democrats. Perhaps even Republicans. I'd imagine that the message got out to a few via revelations of compromising/embarrassing details that the Junta could and would use their information gathering powers to check their political enemies. I'm betting that Rove had access to the files and databases. If future revelations in the e-mails/documents bear this out, all hell is gonna break out.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:27 AM
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3. My thoughts exactly.
Even if you live a squeaky clean life, there's still the ones you love who are most vulnerable.
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 12:00 PM
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4. It makes me wonder about the biggest cheerleaders and Dem turncoats...
...what did the Bush admin find out about THEM that was bad enough to make them flip???

Lieberman, I'm looking at YOU!:grr:
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 12:24 PM
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7. I can't wait until hell breaks loose. Expose them all
but the Dems will also have casualties.

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 01:32 PM
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10. No question that there will be more than a few Democrats not wanting to go there.
When legislature and debate on wiretapping starts gaining traction, I'll be noting, with interest, which Democrats argue to let bygones to be bygones. They'll be the ones I suspect were the most susceptible to embarrassing disclosures.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:14 AM
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18. Who set up the Congressional computer network again, that was spying on Dems?
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 10:16 AM by L. Coyote

Was it Mike Connell, Rove's IT guru, the man who died in the plane crash recently?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:25 AM
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2. 3 kinds of lies
Lies you tell to people on the outside,

Lies you tell to people on the inside,

and then there are the lies you tell yourself.

We had become a Nation of Lies.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 12:18 PM
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5. This article is complete propaganda, if you ask me.
It ranks up there with Sen. Schumer saying that nobody cares about that stuff.

... "the public didn’t seem terribly interested in the issue" ...

I wonder where they get this from? Do they have an overactive imagination?

One of the first debates of the primary campaign for president was the well-promoted YouTube debate. The idea was that the people would finally get to ask the questions that they wanted to ask. The idea was to go online and watch tubes and then vote on what question you most wanted to have asked.
The question about IMPEACHMENT was the most popular question, by a huge margin. Something like-ten to-one or something. A huge margin.

Come the debate, not a single question on IMPEACHMENT. Go figure. What other explanation is there for this, other than the candidates and the media conspired to remove that particular topic from the discussion? Is it possible that all of the candidates were unaware of what happened? No, of course not.

When the wiretapping story first broke, something like 80% of the public were appalled, and yet the media says that it's the public's fault that there's no coverage because of the lack of public interest.

:mad:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 12:29 PM
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8. Aren't we still waiting for phase 2? n/t
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 12:35 PM
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9. Even now, after all we know, only 50% even support investigations ....
... of torture at least.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2009/01/on_torture.html

On the youtube voting, most people know how online polling works and so they don't take it as a real indication of anything.

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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:31 PM
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11. My rant was not about how polling works.
My rant is more about how the propaganda works, and the techniques that are used. Even in the WaPo article you linked to, there is NO INFORMATION on how many think we should just move forward with arrests, without any further investigation. The UN Rapporteur on Torture seems to be saying exactly that. He implies that there is already enough evidence in his possession to prosecute them. That seems like the sane and rational political position to have right now in these particular circumstances.

Why doesn't the WaPo have a poll question like: "Do you agree with the UN expert on torture who said that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld should be pursued right now for torturing prisoners?"

That whole YouTube debate was never promoted as a scientific poll. It was promoted as a method of breaking through all the media barriers to let the people be heard. That's what it was all about. That is what it was promoted as. Sad isn't it, when you compare what they promoted it as to what they actually did with it?

How different do you think the debate would have been if the moderator had said something"our number one most frequently asked question is: What is your position on impeachment?" Instead, by intentionally omitting the most popular question, they tricked everyone watching into thinking no one cares about impeachment.

This is how propaganda is used to influence the way people view certain issues. It is what makes it such a valuable tool in manipulating public opinion.

:rant:
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:16 AM
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16. i'm with you, usrename.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:53 PM
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12. Let me beat a dead horse for a moment longer.
Push poll question: Do you think that there is reasonable grounds to believe that torture has taken place?

This question is important because US law REQUIRES an investigation by proper authorities "whenever there are reasonable grounds to believe" that someone was tortured.

See how important this question is compared to the questions they are asking?

Just yesterday I was making this argument for investigation. Now the UN special rapporteur on torture has blown right past my argument. In his public statment he said that even without any further investigation we have enough information to begin a prosecution (not in these specific words). I have to agree. No one really doubts what happened.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 12:20 PM
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6. Republicon = Fascist Pharisee FAIL Freaks
What a curse they have been upon America...
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 06:18 AM
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13. A Nit To Pick On: "effectively preserved...techniques that are prohibited..."
It simply did not happen (as if it could). The Torture Team has been very active trying to achieve by propaganda-meme bamboozlement what could not be done in reality.

Senators Warner, Graham, McCain et. al. did not cave and "legalize torture," as the conventional DC Wizdumb now claims. They quietly won that battle and in fact reaffirmed Geneva. (Though is must be noted that Candidate McCain did have a "Come to Satan" epiphany that sealed his place in infamy.)

This notion that Congress signed on to torture is as real as Saddam's WMD.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 07:20 AM
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14. NYT had the scoop too, but "waited" until after the '04 election
:grr:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 07:42 AM
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15. I agree. The Times publisher & Managing Ed sat on the story until 01/05.
But, then again, they let Judy Miller do her thing - no waiting.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:54 AM
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17. The comments following that article are remarkable.
k&r

:dem:

-Laelth
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