KO and John Dean Drop "Bomb!" Did Bush issue "Secret Pardons" when he left?

[KoKo]

Who are they? :shrug: Dean says it's "acceptable" we won't know until "International Courts." What the hell was THAT about? :shrug:

[seemslikeadream]

1. We'll find out ONLY in the court room

or in an international court

[BlooInBloo]

2. Only if the court isn't held as "secret" in some fashion.

[seemslikeadream]

5. get Cheney on the witness stand

[malaise]

3. That is the question

Great discussion. The question I wanted KO to ask Dean was whether he thought Budh didn't pardon Libby hoping he'd expose Cheney - you know polish up his legacy and leave Cheney with the bag. Bushes only care about themselves.

[bdamomma]

14. John Dean also said Bush was a cold fella.

damn straight, love John Dean.

[malaise]

16. I think it's more than cold

It's self- absorbed elitism - only his folks are important.

[LakeSamish706]

4. Dean also said that Bush could not issue pardons that would cover....

the Administration for International crimes; ie: War Crimes.... I was pretty sure of that, and now it is confirmed.

[MannyGoldstein]

9. He Can't Pardon From Prosecution By International Courts

Which I expect will indict Dim Son and Rummy at the least. But Obama won't go after it.

[LakeSamish706]

10. Yeah, I wondered if Obama would go after it..... The US could and probably...

will be under a major amount of pressure to pursue war crimes charges though....

[bdamomma]

12. the UN can do it Keith reported it the other nite.

this is not going away.

[LakeSamish706]

13. I sure as hell hope that it doesn't go away... These suckers need to be in jail. n/t

[bdamomma]

17. on Hardball tonite one of regulars that Chris Matthews had on

said there is alot of bloggers who are wanting this (war crimes to be prosecuted). Let's keep posting about this.

[MannyGoldstein]

15. Most Americans Would Get Really Pissed If A Former Prez Was Prosecuted

Even Bush. Sad, but true (I'm pretty sure). We won't prosecute or extradite.

[bdamomma]

19. I wouldn't be pissed I would welcome it.

[LakeSamish706]

22. Not only that, I would expect that since it is law breaking, plain and simple.

[Adsos Letter]

26. I wouldn't be pissed...I would consider it a return to the rule of law and justice.

One of the things for which this nation is supposed to stand.

[AnnieBW]

6. Is that like Double Secret Probation?

WTF?

[tritsofme]

7. I pondered this question several years ago.

Whether or not there is a constitutional requirement to file pardons in some official manner.

If a president could produce a signed and notarized "pardon" from his back pocket, that had been kept secret for a period of many years, it would seem to meet the loosest of loose interpretation of the Constitution's pardon power.

[MineralMan]

8. I don't know about that one...

Seems to me that the granting of the pardon must be made public during a President's term. Once he leaves the White House, he can no longer do any damn thing at all.

Leaving "secret" pardons sound like a conspiracy theorist's nightmare. Too much foil by far.

[KoKo]

25. Bush was so Secretive...maybe he found his lawyer could find another way to get around laws like

Gonzo and Yoo did for him with Iraq and like the others did for him so he could leave the White House and never deliver anything about his Administration to our Congress or the National Archives.

Bush/Cheney will write their OWN HISTORY and the PEOPLE will never know the "full truth" even though we know exactly what they did...we Progressives on the Left who've been watching them since they STOLE the 2000 Election...that is.

I guess they were and will always be "Above the Law" when they can find lawyers unscrupulous enough to re-write the laws or ignore the laws for their client....

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. So what does that mean? You can start building a case against **co and when you

finally head to court they whip out this secret pardon and get off scot-free? (But only after people have spend a lot of money on the case?)

[glitch]

24. And if it's secret they can probably just make them up on the fly, as needed. BOGUS.

That would mean a former President can issue pardons at any time. And if this is true how come it isn't common knowledge?

[blogslut]

18. I was wondering if there was such a thing as secret pardons

If there were, it seems likely old Dubya would use them to get his buddies off the hook.

[KoKo]

21. They kind of left "hanging in the wind" whether Obama can reveal them, or not?

:shrug: I hope we hear more about this...the details. It was weird that Bush left without the pardons we thought he would issue ...but there are so many damned "secret rules" in our Congress and now it seems our White House that we as Citizens know NOTHING ABOUT! Why?

[Missy Vixen]

20. Maybe this is too early to say this,

but I TOLD YOU SO.

I KNEW Bush would do something like this on his way out the door.

Seriously. DH's out of work, so we're short on disposable income, but I will donate $10 to DU if any of those pardons name him or Cheney.

Julie

[Occam Bandage]

23. Sounds like tinfoil unless we have any evidence suggesting that he did. nt