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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:38 PM
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Another one of those "666th post" posts
this is my 666th post. have been saving this for a special occasion. no, it is not about the devil. chose the 666th post because of the taboo nature of the number. this upheaval of thoughts is about religion and humanity.

this is an insight into the vision I have for humanity. to understand what i perceive to be humanity’s destiny we must first venture into the past to analyze how we arrived here. these are my perceptions of religion.

my take on religion and humanity has always been that of regret. i’ll explain. the regret i feel is that humanity was not able to progress into a race of conscious beings without religion. ironically enough it has also turned out to be humanity’s biggest crutch. religion was once a means to explain that which was unexplainable. humanity is inquisitive by nature. our unwavering quest to explain the events in our lives and our surroundings is the motor that drives our consciousness. to think and to feel. to remember in such a manner that we can replicate it with written language, visual displays such as art, and stories. these are the things at the core of our existence and what it means to be human. religion was a bit of an accident. it was our imagination running full steam combined with the seemingly supernatural phenomenon of the universe (and immediate world around us).

what is the sun? it must be a supernatural creature that provides the light of day. we must thank it for we owe our lives to it. what is the water? where does it come from? it gives us life so that we may quench our thirst. the force which drives it must be mystical. let us pray for it. the game we hunt, what drives them? who provides them? we must thank the mother earth, for without her we would truly perish.

my explanation for why religion, on even the most primitive and early stages, ever came about:

the primitive minds of conscious beings, running on overdrive from a mass stimulation of environment and realization of internal thought capacity; after achieving a level of awareness never before seen by any other species on the planet.

the direct result of this would be religion. i don’t hate our ancestors for developing the concept. i regret that it ever happened. an almost necessary evil, because our imaginations grew, and allowed our consciousness to grow with it. it helped settle the minds of the primitive bands of humans. it allowed them to rest a little easier, and to cope with a world they were just beginning to realize existed on a greater scale than they had ever known before.

this is a bad example, but most people (I’m assuming) have seen this movie:

in interview with a vampire, louis is being interviewed by a writer. he is explaining to the writer about the night he was turned into a vampire. louis says that night he looked with his vampire eyes and saw what he saw. the writer asked him to describe it. louis replies there is no way to explain to a mortal. statues moved but didn’t, everything was the same but completely changed. to primitive humans there is no way for them to explain to their ancestors what they saw. it was the same world, but in a new light. a new scope. it was unprecedented.

fast forward a few millennia. humanity begins to emerge as the dominant species on the planet. at the same time humanity also begins to show it’s true colors. there are still those who would just assume to live and let live. at the same time there would be those who would seek to hold sway over others. power, greed, these things would become more prevalent as time passed. religion become a source of control. how do you control another person? ask yourself that very seriously. think hard. there are not very many ways.

Fear.

Manipulation.

Force.

Trust.

i have thought long and hard about this. i can’t think of any scenario that doesn’t fall into these four categories. religion captured all of them. it was the perfect solution. it fostered civilization. the Egyptians built their pyramids and cities for the pharaohs – the living gods. the romans and greeks had their temples and amphitheaters. even Hammurabi invokes the divine revelation of Marduk as the source of the laws. these were brilliant laws for it’s time that are even used to some extent in this modern day in terms of taxing laws, inheritance, the concept of interest rates, etc.

the insane thing about this is that not one person would have subscribed to his code of laws, had it not been handed down to him by a god. never mind the fact that it revolutionized civilization in it’s time, and it proved to be a foundation for millennia to come. it simply would not have been acceptable. no human could have exerted that kind of control without wielding religion. caesar earned the loyalty of his troops through his success as his leader, and the self-titlement of divinity.

fast forward again.

we live in an age where we know that the sun is not a god. it is a giant gaseous ball of elements burning in space. it is not sacred, it is not unique. it’s actually an average star in the prime of it’s existence. we live in an age now where we can actually replicate other species using cells. we live in an age where we know what cells are, how they work, what they do, what they’re made of, and so on.

we no longer need religion. our minds have expanded. a growing majority no longer fear the unknown. we have either become complacent about it, or genuinely would like to know more about our world, and the universe our world exists in. religion is the crutch of humanity. it assisted us through our scary and confusing beginnings. it allowed us to establish order through control and fear. the same way a herd of cattle is paraded across the prairie. when do we set the crutch down? we’ve limped along semi-successfully this long with it. imagine what we can do once our legs have caught up with our mind, and we set the crutch of religion aside. instead of limping through history and occasionally stumbling and falling (which I consider the periodic dark ages experienced throughout history) we will run.

to extend the metaphor a little, even walking would be better than the limping we’ve been doing. humanity has not embraced its full potential because it has not been able to let go of the fear. people fear what will happen to them after life. those who are in control of religion do not wish to relinquish their control. those who trust religion can’t let go because trust can be an Achilles heel for a lot of people. it’s difficult to turn away from an upbringing of unforeseen manipulation. like lemmings they leap into the abyss, so sure of their choice, so trusting. fundies are a perfect example.

my vision for the future of humanity:

no religion. sentient beings on an unending quest for knowledge. our consciousness making the next leap into the infinite. swarming neurons, firing synapses, complete use of cerebral capacity.

why are we here?

who cares. be. and make something of the minuscule speck of an existence you have and learn as much as you can. help others. help humanity so that others can achieve cerebral capacity potential. move beyond that which is comfortable, and “known” – or what religion tells you. be more.

the martialis heureka ant has been around for 120 million years. not much change. a few evolutionary survival changes maybe. humans on the other hand have been around for around 200,000 years. look what we’ve done in the last 100 years.

abandon the crutch. let humanity achieve what it is capable of achieving.



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USA_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:44 PM
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1. Interesting ...
On other forums, whenever I have posted on forums discussing Iraq or Bush, my post often turns out to be # 66 or # 666.

Coincidence???
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:13 AM
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7. probably.
but interesting nonetheless.

unless... is that you master??

lol
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:55 PM
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2. Congratulations on your 666th post
:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:


And now the Rev. Robertson would like to remind you........



....just 34 more posts before you join The 700 Club! O8)
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:15 AM
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8. to be perfectly honest
i did crash after posting this.

this is what happens when i drink coffee in the evening.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:57 PM
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3. I've wondered for quite some time what the the Human Race would have accomplished by now if....
..Religion's influence had never come to pass.

A part of me is angry because I feel that Humans have been cheated out of a much happier Reality.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:18 AM
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9. that's basically my entire internal struggle as a human being...
summed up into a nutshell.

we deny ourselves so much. personally, i equate the patriot act to religion. both forces you to give up some kind of freedom for a false sense of safety.

eventually we'll achieve full capacity and potential. i think once humanity begins to trek en masse across space they'll finally begin to let go.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 12:02 AM
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4. I think religion is even more primitive than you might think.
My neighbor's elderly dog died two months ago. Since we live rurally, he was able to bury his dog on his property. There were various animals in the neighborhood who knew the dog and were friendly with him including my cat. The neighborhood animals including my cat have been visiting his grave. We thought at first that maybe the smell of animal carcass was drawing them but they have had no interest in digging him up. It's like they are paying their respects.

I'm not arguing with your premise but what I am saying is that the belief in Spirit seems to be deeper than we think.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:58 AM
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12. that is pretty interesting
but my mind tells me that not all animals are scavengers, but for the most part they're all pretty curious. wild creatures are more prone to scavenging than domesticated, not to say that domesticated animals won't scavenge though.

side note: arguing is okay. this is DU. i hear it's okay to shout at each other too. lol

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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 12:07 AM
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5. Yes we all must strive to unleash our inner Carl Sagan
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 12:13 AM
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6. Politics is religion.
Brand loyalty is religion. Celebrity obsession is religion.

My point is that when we start looking at what really is rational, we see that a great amount of what humans do doesn't make sense. Its just that our minds work in certain ways, and those ways are prone to certain things, like types of religious thought. IT doesn't mean they're wrong, its just how it is. You point out Hammurabi's exploitation of this to gain political power...That sure hasn't gone away, whether its fascist propaganda or just the latest spin job, its still there. What I'm saying is not WHAT our minds believe in these religious modes (Jesus, Allah, etc.) Its THAT our minds work in these religious modes. When we can accept this stuff as part of the human experience and move on to make the best of it, we'll be in good shape.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:00 AM
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13. i can agree with that
humanity = irrational

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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:21 AM
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10. Your post proves that you're a Satan-worshiping Satanic Satanist
Truly Godly posters would never post #66-youknowwhat. They would go straight from #665 to #667. I'm so offendedd by your Satanism that I won't even read your evil post. You probably even sleep on Satin sheets!! I'm series!!1!
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:00 AM
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14. hi Bucky!
:hi:
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 08:52 AM
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11. Disgusted by the popular religions?
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 08:54 AM by Shiver
Unhappy with so-called "salvation"? Then the Discordian Church may be for YOU!

Unlike the popular religions, we're perfectly comfortable with the fact that the Erisian Church and the Discordian Movement is a joke. We openly acknowledge that it doesn't make sense, because it's not supposed to make sense - and in not making sense, it makes perfect sense. Nonsense is salvation.

Disorder, not order, is the nature of the universe. It is that which stimulates thought and creativity, that with which artists and scientists and philosophers construct their rhythms, that which advances society and technology and human thought to new levels. The popular religions abhor this concept, seeking to impose order onto the chaotic nature of the universe. How successful have they been?

The human race will begin solving it's problems on the day that it ceases taking itself so seriously.

Just let me find my pope boxers and I can have you initiated in five minutes. You're not secretly a cabbage or anything, are you?


edited to include more nonsense.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:06 AM
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15. does it include a free set of steak knives upon initiation?
"seeking to oppose order onto the chaotic nature of the universe"

my sentiments exactly. it has dissolved into nothing but control at this point.

side ntoe: thank you for editing for more nonsense. it's what sold me.

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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:54 AM
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16. Yep. Free steak knives.
Just go into the nearest Williams-Sonoma, identify yourself with the secret codewords, and they'll give you your complimentary knives and potato peeler. For the secret codewords, consult your pineal gland.

You've been inducted, by the way. No backsies.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:27 AM
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17. potato peeler??
i was silently wishing for a cheese grater...
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 01:36 PM
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18. Sorry
No substitutions, exchanges or refunds.
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